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Posted: 12/13/2007 4:27:56 PM EDT
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WTF? when did FA get TROY stocks? I get mine from LAW483 and no other! I had basically the same set up with the Magpul PRS. It is very heavy. I sold off the PRS and installed a Vltor EMOD... much more user friendly   HTH ~ |
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Posted: 12/13/2007 4:35:06 PM EDT
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I'd be getting the CTR myself... |
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Posted: 12/13/2007 5:52:28 PM EDT
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I do love the look of the Sage's, although I've never handled one. I also like the VLTOR, for it's simplicity. I think if I had the cash to spare, i'd go for the VLTOR, and maybe add some simple rails. Matter of fact, that's what i kind of did on my chopped down M14
Need to get some pics now that it's all put together, but you can see the basic idea. I was very happy to be abel to what milk jugs at 150 with a Holosight on it! I've got a 1.5-5x Scope to try out on it that will give me a bit more reach, and still work for up close. Here it is with it's bigger brother, the day I got it home from the gunsmith.   Good luck on your decision making process. Doug K |
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Posted: 12/13/2007 11:36:15 PM EDT
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No one here's used or even considered getting one of the bullpup stocks?
http://www.shortrifles.com/index.html |
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Posted: 12/14/2007 3:10:14 AM EDT
[#5]
It's been mentioned in other threads or forums, but bullpups have never been an interest for me.
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Posted: 12/14/2007 3:11:57 AM EDT
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At what point does an M1A cease being an M1A? Some of those setups seem to create an entirely new rifle.
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Posted: 12/14/2007 3:12:40 AM EDT
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I should have asked: What is the weight without the bipod, forward grip, and only one optic? |
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Posted: 12/14/2007 4:38:18 AM EDT
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It weighs 14 lbs. 11.4 oz. with everything except the mag. Subtract just over two pounds when you remove the items you listed.
None of mine are MIAs... never have been 
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Posted: 12/15/2007 5:03:58 AM EDT
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hey Slow_Hand, did you buy that #3 magazine off gunbroker about 4 years ago? Just curious if I sold it to you, as I foolishly sold a big group of magazines back when and a few of them were numbered like that. -- whoever has the tiger-striped one, I'd like it back
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Posted: 12/15/2007 8:44:21 PM EDT
[#10]
nah, slow hand is just a BIG Dal Earnhart fan!
oh and wood is good ! |
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Posted: 12/15/2007 9:10:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/16/2007 8:35:37 PM EDT
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I don't agree. The Marstar is the best stock available for the M14. If it was not I would have gotten rid of mine already. The Marstar may seem more bulky but it is actually lighter than the Sage Mod 0. The Marstar also comes with and integrated scope mount, Sage does not have this luxury. Here are some Marstar Porn: In it's latest configuration. 21" SS NM barrel, CTR buttstock with 3/4" cheek riser, Leupold Mark 4 3.5-10x TMR illuminated, Miad pistol grip, Harris Bipod, KMC foregrip.  In better lighting but a previous config.  At the range, sub 1 MOA, The Marstar is like the Sage in that the stock is screwed into the gas block, basically free floating the Barrel. Here shooting 168gr Federal Gold Medal Match. I wanted to get rid of the SS 21" barrel and go with 18" chrome lined option, but then I decided to stay with the 21" because I did not wanted to lose the tack driver ability my M1A has with match ammo.   Different, Duke, PolyLlama, and DreamPiper went out in the Desert today for a little M14 shoot, I was going to meet up with them to show off what my Marstar M1A can do , but I could not make it... maybe next time!
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Posted: 12/17/2007 4:30:39 AM EDT
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The Marstar compares with the SAGE Mod 1 CQB stock and the SAGE is lighter.Marstar does not offer anything that compares with the SAGE Mod 0 EBR stock. If you want to run optics - the LAW483 TROY MCS is hands down the best M14 stock available. How in the world could you miss out on a shoot with those individuals? |
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Posted: 12/17/2007 7:10:42 AM EDT
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11 lbs! That is what my M1A with Marstar stock would wiegh in Irons only configuration. I think most of us are embarrassed to post weights because we turned our M1A's into tanks. The numbers don't lie. On my very accurate fishing scale, my M1A with no mag reads 14lbs 15oz. Take off the Leupold scope, rings, harris bipod, bipod mount, and foregrip, that is 3lbs I can shave off. This compares favorable for all the measurements I have seen. Now if I take off the bottom and side rails (along with the bolts that go with it), and take off the scope mount rail, this loses an additional 1 lb to take it down to 11 lbs for a Irons only set up with 21" SS barrel. I believe this is inline with the Sage Mod 1, and Troy if not less.   |
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Posted: 12/17/2007 7:13:06 AM EDT
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I saw Duke yesterday morning to chat a little before the shoot.... but I just got back into town the day before and have to head out again today, had too many errands to run. 
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Posted: 12/17/2007 7:22:23 AM EDT
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Yep, and the SAGE CQB is just under 10 lbs. in the same configuration. Mine weighs in just over 11 lbs. with a AA EOTech and TD forward grip installed I'm not knocking your Marstar, it is a solid stock. |
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Posted: 12/17/2007 7:26:47 AM EDT
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It's all good H20. I know you are not knocking it, you are a polite guy and not a trouble maker like me But seriously, I think I can get it to under 10 lbs too. I am underestimating the weights of each components and also the 21" SS barrel adds a lot of weight too. ETA: The entire top rail section also comes off. That's got to be another 1/2 lb savings right there too. |
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Posted: 12/17/2007 12:20:19 PM EDT
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I have 5 stocks.
Rifle came with a commercial walnut stock. I don't use it because it's nice and I don't want to scratch it. So I replaced it with a USGI fiberglass that I spray-painted OD Green. Then I bought another USGI fiberglass and painted it to look like Shugart's rifle in the movie BHD. Then I bought a $10 USGI walnut stock, and spent a few hours cleaning, sanding, staining, and polishing. I use this stock more than the others. I also have an unmodified USGI fiberglass that I don't use.
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Posted: 12/17/2007 4:30:10 PM EDT
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Got my troy from www.Global-tactical.com and am waiting for the buttstock to get in.
Once I have that it will be the Troy MCS with a Magpul PRS in Dark Earth with a Springfield Loaded M1A in it. Setting mine up as a DMR rifle. I took H2O_MANs advice and I would agree that the Troy MCS is the ultimate optics stock for the M1A rifle. I personally really like the MCS. |
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Posted: 12/17/2007 7:39:40 PM EDT
[#20]
Would someone be kind enough to please identify this stock for me:
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Posted: 12/17/2007 7:43:46 PM EDT
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McMillan with RRM
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Posted: 12/17/2007 7:47:50 PM EDT
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It would seem so, now that I went to McMillan's website... Thanks. Any ideas how those rails on the side are mounted? Just screws through the sides, or something more elaborate? ETA: Never mind. McMillan makes the mounts, too. |
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Posted: 12/26/2007 7:28:25 PM EDT
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I love all these M14 stocks (Troy, Sage, Marstar, etc) but I think that Tac'ing out a M14 is pretty lame as the rifle itself without any stock or rails is pretty heavy.
Yeah you can do stuff to lighten the a EBR M14, but it will still be heavy. I played around some more with my fishing scale I got for Christmas and here is the weights I got for the following guns as pictured. Noticed how all guns are fully railed and have optics. The M1A would lose a little over a pound if I ditched the bipod and bipod mount, but even then it is still a lot heavier than everything else. M1A configured as seen minus mag: 14 lbs, 15 oz  FAL configured as seen below minus the mag: 10 lbs 15 oz  AR-10 configured as seen below minus the mag: 9 lbs 5 oz  Noveske N4 Light configured as seen below minus the mag: 8lbs 9oz 
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Posted: 12/27/2007 3:21:27 AM EDT
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Good work Eric The SAGE Mod 1 CQB (@ the bottom of this picture) compares well with the Marstar. They both use the AR buffer tube and have Magpul CTR butt stocks.  11 lbs. 04.2 oz. ~ MK14 SEI in SAGE Mod 1 (Norinco receiver) minus the mag. The SAGE stock is lighter than the Marstar. |
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Posted: 12/27/2007 8:07:58 AM EDT
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Nice looking weapon H20man. Looks very usable. Sage Mod1 might be ligher, but how much lighter? We are talking 1 extra aluminum inch in the stock here. If I ditch the top rail scope mount, ditch the bipod and bipod mount, replaced the leupold and rings with an eotech, replace the 22" heavy barrel with a standard 18".... it will be about 4-5 lbs lighter bringing my measurements very close to yours |
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Posted: 12/27/2007 8:49:36 AM EDT
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Very nice setup! I'm having GAP install a Krieger barrel & SE Vortex in mine and it will look just like that except for the 22" barrel and it will be all black.  |
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Posted: 12/27/2007 1:47:37 PM EDT
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 Ilike the mid/late 80"s USGI Heavy Birch National Match stocks. Ya know the ones that come w/o the metal liner and have to be steel bedded to the action. They just look and shoot so good. I have pictures but can't figure out how to post them? 
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Posted: 12/27/2007 4:54:35 PM EDT
[#28]
You must not own an MCM stock - they are heavy as hell. |
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Posted: 12/27/2007 4:56:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/27/2007 8:08:10 PM EDT
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For the "traditional look," competition hi-power shooter type of guys.....besides the McMillian.....there is.......
www.mpistocks.com/blankpricelist.htm And, they are nearby (to me anyway) in Portland, OR. Aloha, Mark |
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Posted: 12/27/2007 11:46:46 PM EDT
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I have a fred's USGI and beautiful wood stock for my bush rifle. I have a bedded NM stock for the first NM rifle. And I just put a JAE-100 on the second NM rifle (scoped)
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Posted: 12/28/2007 1:00:30 AM EDT
[#32]
Do you have a picture of this?
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Posted: 12/28/2007 3:55:20 AM EDT
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I like mine in the USGI walnut. I think it just looks/feels right.
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Posted: 12/28/2007 4:14:02 AM EDT
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Both USGI Walnut and Chinese Chu wood look and feel good
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Posted: 12/28/2007 10:41:49 AM EDT
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keep all your chicoms and USGI parts H20 man, poor smuks like us don't have the option of building a quality M14 anymore because no more chicom recievers and usgi parts are available anymore  (for a decent price)
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Posted: 12/28/2007 10:53:06 AM EDT
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I no have plans to turn any of them loose, I'm looking to pick up a few more.Another year of PB&J samiches ~ and it's worth it. |
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Posted: 12/28/2007 8:33:07 PM EDT
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give me some time and I can get some pics up
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Posted: 12/29/2007 5:56:26 AM EDT
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I like them pretty basic
-usgi glass stock, will be filled in the selector switch and painted this winter -have a nice usgi walnut from my loaded, that I put a couple coats of tung oil on -McM glass M3a bedded at McM I'm not sure I would ever warm up to "encasing" my M1a/M14 in a block of aluminum or whatever with rails. Seriously if I wanted a 7.62mm outfitted to the nines for social work, I'd simply go with the AR platform, it's a bit more simple and doesn't look like those ruger 10/22's in a plastic machinegun sleeve. Sorry that's my feelings when looking at the stock boxes around M14's. But I'm sure they work great for the task or they wouldn't exist, it's just a preference thing. And I wouldn't turn down an offer to try out one of you guy's modded M14 DMR/ tactitool. I'm not that snobbish. BTW I'm LSHD so my opinion only has value in my mother's basement.  SoS SoS |
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Posted: 12/29/2007 10:18:22 AM EDT
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 New version, lighter they claim. Anyone going to SHOT could report back for us? |
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Posted: 12/29/2007 10:34:15 AM EDT
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US GI fiberglass does everything I need it to, and very well, without turning the rifle into a crew-served weapon.
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Posted: 12/29/2007 10:40:24 AM EDT
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Yeah, if only an E2 version that didn't require bedding were available ... |
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Posted: 12/29/2007 11:03:41 AM EDT
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I know what you mean. Sometimes nothing beats the feel of a traditional USGI stock with irons only. But when going traditional stock and irons only, the M1A feels no different than my Garand. Some of us want to scope and turn our M1A's into something more modern, we want to give our old friend an extra leg so it can serve in the 21st century. Hence the reason for putting it in an aluminum block. If you can get over the looks, the aluminum block does have it's advantages. It gives you a pistol grip, it lets you add optics easier, it lets you attach accessories easier such as bipods and lights, and it basically free floats your barrel (stock is bolted onto the gas block) therefore making it more accurate. My USGI stock took a good 40 rounds for the rifle to settle into the stock for it to get it's accuracy back, I do not have this problem with my aluminum block. Glass bedded McMillans are tops in my book, but they are just as pricey, and even heavier than the aluminum blocks. Also you can not easily attach accessories if you wanted to and scoping a Mac M14 is just as hard as a traditional M14. Your M1A may look "ugly" in an aluminum block, but it does become a better shooter. But like I said earlier, traditional USGI stocks do look and feel nice, and I would pick one up but they are so dam expensive, and parts are getting scarce. For $1500 I would much rather pick up another AR-10 or save my money and wait till the SCAR's come out. |
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Posted: 12/29/2007 2:00:22 PM EDT
[#43]
Give me a good wood stock.Those aluminum,railed stocks look like an abortion.
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Posted: 12/29/2007 2:16:48 PM EDT
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Yeah, termites hate them
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