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Posted: 7/1/2004 6:32:55 AM EDT
There is an interesting similar thread on the AR-10 in the AR-10 forum. Let's see how the M1A compares...
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I voted based on the two I USED to own. I would have trusted both of them.
Ed |
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I don't think you see "USGI" and "cheap" in the same sentence any more...
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I had to sell mine cheap
but hell yes, it was one of the most reliable rifles I ever had. |
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I would trust mine and I DO trust mine.............................. it stays ready for SHTF moments should they arise.
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Ain't that the truth. I had an older Springfield w/USGI parts that was excellent, but my custom build on a chicom receiver is just freaking outstanding! Mike |
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Much higher than some other threads asking the same question about another .308 self-loader... |
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I said yes and I based this on the rifle that I used to own too. It was aloaded model and it had a GI bolt and Op rod, I remember the seeing the numbers stamped on these parts but that was before I knew what "GI parts" were. My OP rod did pop out about two to three times though. My M1A was less reliable than my AR-10 but I still trust my life to either. But my M1A would have to have GI parts!
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Remember how cheap the parts used to be from the DCM? I really wish I had picked up more magazines!
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Sigh.... I remember the $15 mags. And it wasn't that long ago. Mike |
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Why, yes...yes I would.
My #1 choice as a matter of fact. FWIW- It's all USGI parts assembled by Ted Brown on a SA, Inc. receiver. |
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My number one choice is my 1983 SA M1A. It has never failed me. It has all USGI parts. Lumpy196, one of these days I will get around to bedding it in that stock I bought from you a while back.
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45 to 3. Well, I must say this exceeded my expectations, but based on my experience with the rifle, is no surprise.
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What about us that don't own any M1A's...?
3ea Armscorp M14NM and 1ea Polytech M14/S All USGI all 100%...! PS---I didn't vote. |
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Well lets see....
On one range trip I had my Scout and a new to me M1A..... The Scout had about 200rds thru it from me and all of sudden, she failed to extract.. Next thing I know the top of the extractor was on the ground... Hmmmm... Now I know how to change an extractor... So next I grab the new to me MIA and she does not extract at all. Even thou I was in the company of several M1A "experts" it did take a few minutes to determine the gas setting was turned into the grenade position.... She purrs fine now.... So on one day out to the range, two M1A's and two strikes... BUT, as with any firearm, anything can go wrong. Just was a bad day for me that day.... I am a recent "convert" to the M1A rifle and I am would need more trigger time before I could honestly render judgement at this point.... Dan Tucker UPstate NY |
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Yeah, a guy who can FUBAR not one but TWO M1As in a single range trip should reserve judgement until he knows how to handle one
And hey, after the shock of you f'ing up 2 rifles settled in, it was less than a minute before I diagnosed your problem Ahhhhhh, poor AIMLESS is still smarting from his "granny-gun" induced old fashioned butt whooping inflicted at our recent CMP shoot....don't worry, we'll bring you around! |
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Hell our men in Korea and Vietnam trusted their lives to it. Granted many lives were lost but I don't believe it was due to the M1A. IMHO.
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Nope. Mine went back to springfield pretty soon after i got it, it had a defective oprod and then went back for a bad receiver, doesn't shoot as well as nor have equal the ergos of my FALs...don't know why i keep the thing.
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Nobody in Korea or Vietnam used a commercial production Springfield Armory M1A. The M14 did not see action until Vietnam. My preban-yes My current production M1A-not unless saving my life involved needing something to use as a shovel or boat anchor. Mine has been sent to Tank's to be turned into a real rifle with GI parts. |
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I think the bitter thing is, and lots of us have found out the hard way is that was once an outstanding rifle, is now a total piece of garbage.
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Dan --
Springfield Inc extactors are a known bad item. M1/M14 extractor will pop right in. That's one strike. The claimed "malfunction" because the gas port was turned off is pure operator error. -- Chuck |
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Indeed Chuck! I must admit I find it a lot easier to learn from someone elses mistake
60 to 6. Not bad. Well, I introduced my neighbor to some shooting drills with my M4gery tonight at the range. But his sh*t eating grin got even bigger after he touched off a few rounds through my bush rifle. All in all, not a bad nights work. |
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Without a doubt I would trust my preban M1A.Now my 3 mouse guns are a different story......
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74 to 7. Wow.
To me a point of interest is whether the folks who are unhappy have newer commercial Springfields with low/zero USGI parts content. I know the guns I have come across are mostly older postbans, but the newer guns my friends own run fine too. You folks who voted "no," how old is your M1A? Any USGI parts on it? |
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This is the case. I'm not sure if it's parts or workmanship but of the two I have a preban made in the early 80's and one made last Fall, the preban is outstanding, the one made last Fall is junk. Like I said though, it has been sent to Tank's so I am more than confident when it comes back, it will also be outstanding. It's just a shame that it simply doesn't work out of the box. |
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I said "No". ONLY reason is because I just bought one. I took it to Charles Maloney ( a very well known M1A/Garand smith, co-founder of Fulton Armory etc) before going to the range. I bought a bunch of USGI parts to put in (the only USGI part mine came with was a SAK barrel ). He told me about how SA has been operating lately (he knows the President well and has been a "consultant" for him). The TRW bolt I bought wouldn't headspace and the SA Inc bolt (the one it came with) barely did. The trigger was atrocious, but I had a TRW trigger group tuned by him and ready to put in. Apparently, the guns at SA aren't built by 'smiths but by assemblers, many of whom are High School students working a part-time job. So I answered "No" based on the idea of "buy it, take it home, and trust my life to it". The only way I'd trust my life to a NIB M1A would be if I had a smith check it out first. Would I trust mine now? Hell yes. Before I took it to the smith? No.
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Not 'til I get it out and function check and zero it in. So I refrained from voting.
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Well, Good ole SP10 gave me a USGI extractor, so the Scout is good to go.... And Junkpicker showed me how to change out the extractor. The 30-06 casing was handy... And yes I will admit operator error on the second, maybe more like newbie error. I can put an AR15 together blindfolded but still have a hell of time getting an oprod off a my M1A... Maybe a few more beers will help... Where did I set my UBU? Dan Tucker UPstate NY |
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Truer words never spoken. Mike |
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Yes. I lucked out when i bought my Springfield since it has no commercial parts in it. No issues after 5 years of use
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I never really taken too much concern with what part my M1A is made from.......guess it due in part that I have not had any problems with it. Maybe I should just check.
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keep in mind you're asking this on an M1A forum so presumably people are biased in favor, plus those who have given up the M1A because of problems aren't likely to even take a look here. mine is probably 6-7 years old and is all GI, now, except for the receiver and barrel (nm stainless). |
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personaly i do trust they opinions on this post look at the similar post on the AR10 broad those guys have no problem stating that they don't trust there AR10.
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Indeed. I considered putting this on Battlerifles as well, but didn't see a point to it. THAT is more of a true M1A forum. This poll has around the same total number of votes as the AR-10 poll, and the results speak for themselves. Much more of a cross section on different types of gun ownership on this (AR15.com) board. |
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