FN Gossip: new Semi-auto M249 and M240 belt fed rifles

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - FN Gossip: new Semi-auto M249 and M240 belt fed rifles (Page 1 of 2)

Posted: 11/7/2006 3:47:30 PM EDT

Heard it straight from an FN rep today (said he was at HQ in Herstal, Belgium last week), but he said that they would be expensive. More .223 and .308 belt feds sounds good to me.

He also said that the SCAR rifles in .223 and .308 were still going to take until 2008 to get into civilian hands but he has been demoing some full-auto versions and people really like them.

He also mentioned an FN bolt rifle chambered in 5.7x28mm.

Posted: 11/8/2006 1:03:06 AM EDT

[#1]

It's going to be around $5000-$6000+ for a semi-auto M249.

Posted: 11/8/2006 6:38:33 AM EDT

[#2]

We need these to hit the market NOW before the recently elected Dem's have a chance to screw us with more gun control.

Posted: 11/8/2006 9:57:54 PM EDT

[#3]

Joy to FN! Now, just get them all to market!

Posted: 11/8/2006 10:15:09 PM EDT

[#4]

Quoted:
Joy to FN! Now, just get them all to market!

With haste.

Posted: 11/8/2006 10:19:28 PM EDT

[#5]

I honestly do not get the attraction of a belt fed semi.

I'd rather save my money for a 1919.

Posted: 11/8/2006 10:44:08 PM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:
I honestly do not get the attraction of a belt fed semi.

+1 for 5K I could buy 2 high end semis and beta mags. How about a belt fed 12 gauge since no one in the industry seems capable of making drum mags for semi-auto shotguns?

Posted: 11/9/2006 4:57:20 AM EDT

[#7]

I bet the finish and overall build quality won't be as good as the Military/LE M249s and M240s, just like with the PS90s and P90s.

Posted: 11/9/2006 10:56:28 AM EDT

[#8]

But the rumour is that a FNC sear will fit in the 249 so $3K + $6K is a lot less than a FA is now

Posted: 11/9/2006 11:00:04 AM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
But the rumour is that a FNC sear will fit in the 249 so $3K + $6K is a lot less than a FA is now

Oh, now THAT would be sweet.

Posted: 11/9/2006 4:55:31 PM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:
But the rumour is that a FNC sear will fit in the 249 so $3K + $6K is a lot less than a FA is now

If that is the case, watch FNC sears rise in price due to a high demand.

Posted: 11/10/2006 2:10:06 PM EDT

[#11]

i doubt there will be a quick raise in prices on the FNC sears, not that many people are going to be buying a 6000 dollar semi LMG, just like the shrike, its a cool concept, but there will never be enough of them in the market place to justify the increase.

seriously how many do you think that FN plans to sell? 100 a year? 500? 1000? its not like the millions of AR15s and thousands of RDIAS, I wonder how many semi auto m60s are sold a year? i would bet that even if after these are produced for a couple years, you could still have very low sear to gun ration when compared to the ar15

now that being said, I am going to be one of the assholes, standing in line for them, and if in fact the FNC sear thing is true? well lets just say ill pony up for one

Posted: 11/10/2006 2:12:13 PM EDT

[#12]

If the FNC sear thing is true, I think they WILL go up in price. That's way too cheap for a belt fed machine gun.

Posted: 11/10/2006 2:28:41 PM EDT

[#13]

there are not going to be enough in circulation to raise the price,at least for a few years

think about it, why are fnc sears low? becuase there are no guns around, i really dont think semi autos beltfed are going to flood the market

now once again i want to do this, but i can ashore you that out of all the EBR nuts that i know, I am the only one that would ever consider this

to sumorize the email i just sent to FN,

1. are there plans to release a semi automatic, civilian version of the M249, and M240?

2. will FN FNC registered auto sear will be able to be utilized in either of these rifles?

i will post the response

Posted: 11/10/2006 4:50:09 PM EDT

[#14]

here is the response

Subject: Re: quick question
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 19:43:16 -0500
From: [email protected]
To: m4hk33

No, FNC sears will not work.

Don't know about the beltfeds.

Posted: 11/10/2006 4:56:51 PM EDT

[#15]

How does he know the sears won't work if he doesn't know about the beltfeds?

Posted: 11/10/2006 5:12:29 PM EDT

[#16]

Will Portuguese 7.62 linked ammo work ?

//not like I could ever afford a 240 but I can dream.

Posted: 11/10/2006 6:49:00 PM EDT

[#17]

honestly his answer is kinda contradicting, but i am not holding my breath for compatibility, maybe he didnt know about a timline?

if there was at the very smallest of a chance that this MAY work, i think that they would at least have know that there is or was a goal of using the FN FNC FCG/auto sear in any of the new weapon systems.

the best one to ask would be CMMG or any of our board sponsponsors who have got a look at some of the new stuff that FN is putting out in paticular that SCAR L and H,as i have heard rumors about FNC FCG simialarities?

who knows, dam gun contol, grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, I wish sombody could call in a favor or black mail the president into a nice little EO doing away with NFA 1934

Posted: 11/10/2006 6:55:17 PM EDT

[#18]

here's a thread about them @ lightfighter that's been going on a little while, word is they will be closed bolt:

Link

Posted: 11/11/2006 4:15:16 AM EDT

[#19]

the guy I heard it from said that they should have a sample of each at the SHOT Show in January, but it is hush hush right now. He is one of the Law Enforcement Regional Sales Managers, I think he would know more about them than some guy that answers civilian emails in an office somewhere. Like he told me, he was just at the HQ in Belgium the previous week.

He also told me that both SCAR rifles (.223 and .308) would be available to civilians by late 2007/early 2008.

Posted: 11/11/2006 4:23:04 AM EDT

[#20]

I am waiting on both Scars.

Posted: 11/11/2006 2:55:01 PM EDT

[#21]

I REALLY hope these and the SCARs will legally accept an S&H FNC sear. If this is the case I will be buying several of each to use with sears.

HK needs to take some lessons frm FN.

Posted: 11/29/2006 4:55:34 AM EDT

[#22]

height=8

Quoted:
the guy I heard it from said that they should have a sample of each at the SHOT Show in January, but it is hush hush right now. He is one of the Law Enforcement Regional Sales Managers, I think he would know more about them than some guy that answers civilian emails in an office somewhere. Like he told me, he was just at the HQ in Belgium the previous week.

He also told me that both SCAR rifles (.223 and .308) would be available to civilians by late 2007/early 2008.

I hope that is true

Posted: 11/30/2006 11:52:06 AM EDT

[#23]

Waiting too...

Posted: 11/30/2006 4:25:41 PM EDT

[#24]

tag

Posted: 12/4/2006 6:03:58 PM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:
here is the response

Subject: Re: quick question
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 19:43:16 -0500
From: [email protected]
To: m4hk33

No, FNC sears will not work.

Don't know about the beltfeds.

Talk about smoke and mirrors.

You wouldn't happen to have the text of the message you sent them would you? Maybe they thought you were talking about another line.

Posted: 12/6/2006 12:46:04 PM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:
I bet the finish and overall build quality won't be as good as the Military/LE M249s and M240s, just like with the PS90s and P90s.

"build quality" and "M249" do not belong in the same sentence.

If you've ever seen a military M249 SAW, you would understand. They make Toad Bailey's welding look like art.

Posted: 12/11/2006 11:51:47 AM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:
If you've ever seen a military M249 SAW, you would understand. They make Toad Bailey's welding look like art.

LOL

Posted: 12/11/2006 12:28:35 PM EDT

[#28]

At least FN is marketing to civilians unlike HK

, I'm glad to hear that they are sending belt feds our way

Posted: 12/12/2006 9:03:54 PM EDT

[#29]

I'm not sure you would be legally able use the Registered FN sear in these guns. There was a case a while back about using the FN sears in something else, and IIRC the ATF said no, only for the gun it was designed for?? Not sure though..

Posted: 12/13/2006 4:34:58 PM EDT

[#30]

here is the message that i sent

I am about to purchase a FS2000 in the next couple of weeks, but i find my self wondering about about a rumor that i have been reading online for the past month or so,

1. are there plans to release a semi automatic, civilian version of the M249, and M240?

2. will FN FNC registered auto sear will be able to be utilized in either of these rifles?

i understand that these may be down the road a bit, and possibly quite expensive, but i would like to support FN by purchasing anything that you guys bring to the market,(ps90,SCAR's L and H when availible) thank you for your time

Posted: 12/15/2006 9:12:48 PM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:
here is the message that i sent

I am about to purchase a FS2000 in the next couple of weeks, but i find my self wondering about about a rumor that i have been reading online for the past month or so,

1. are there plans to release a semi automatic, civilian version of the M249, and M240?

2. will FN FNC registered auto sear will be able to be utilized in either of these rifles?

i understand that these may be down the road a bit, and possibly quite expensive, but i would like to support FN by purchasing anything that you guys bring to the market,(ps90,SCAR's L and H when availible) thank you for your time

I think they interpreted your question as if "Will an FNC sear work in my FS2000".

Posted: 12/25/2006 7:20:37 AM EDT

[#32]

anyone here anything new on these rumors?

Posted: 12/27/2006 11:18:59 PM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:
anyone here anything new on these rumors?

Methinks there will be news on this next month at SHOT.

Posted: 12/27/2006 11:54:51 PM EDT

[#34]

It is highly doubtful that anything from a closed-bolt rifle would work with the M249/M240...

Even IF FN made them semi (which there's not much of a market for - a $10k-30k weapon for individual purchasers), and re-engineered them to closed-bolt operation (both are open-bolt weapons in military form) it would have to be a totally new, 'unique' fire control system, requiring heavy modification to the gun...

There's just too much work for them and almost no profit - not enough $10k closed-bolt M249s (post-mod price) would sell...

Posted: 12/28/2006 4:31:59 PM EDT

[#35]

sorry Dave A

they will sell them like hot cakes.
and why couldnt they get them to work ?? are you an engineer ??

there are plenty open bolt MG'S now built as closed bolt semi's
that work great. even if they have a few quirks, still a Hoot to shoot.

and try to buy a transferable of either of said weapons...
got 200-300,000 dollars laying around ?

Posted: 12/28/2006 4:44:19 PM EDT

[#36]

tagged for the future

Posted: 12/28/2006 8:45:24 PM EDT

[#37]

Quoted:
sorry Dave A

they will sell them like hot cakes.

No they won't, they might sell better than semi MG42s, but probably slower than Vector RPDs.

There just really aren't that many people out there that want to pay upwards of $5K for a belt fed semi auto.

They would have better luck selling US built FNCs.

Posted: 12/29/2006 2:16:52 AM EDT

[#38]

Yeah I wouldnt pay 4K for a semi belt fed but I would pay 1,500 for a para FNC.

Posted: 12/29/2006 2:35:39 PM EDT

[#39]

sorry boys,

i know guys that bought 10,000 dollar semi E4'S....

i know they will sell at least 5 M240's on the spot !!!
i might get two, one to shoot and one to put away......

like i said, try to buy real transferables... better sell your houses and everything else ya got .

Posted: 12/29/2006 2:54:27 PM EDT

[#40]

Quoted:
i know they will sell at least 5 M240's on the spot !!!

Wow, that's "selling like hot cakes" if I ever heard of it!

Posted: 12/29/2006 2:57:23 PM EDT

[#41]

thats for two or three dudes.....

dont worry bud, they will sell plenty...

and you cant shoot mine ! haha.

Posted: 1/1/2007 2:50:03 PM EDT

[#42]

There are 150 people on the wait list for the company that does the conversion now for $8500. US Ordinance sells all the M60 e4s for $9000 that they can make.

I think FN would sell a bunch of M249s for the same price as a posty full auto ($6K)

Posted: 1/1/2007 5:04:53 PM EDT

[#43]

conversion ?

Posted: 1/2/2007 12:35:35 AM EDT

[#44]

I`d buy the M249. It`s the only 5.56mm that I REALLY like. The FNCs are cool. I`d buy the M240 if it cam in the MK48 MOD 0 package.

Posted: 1/2/2007 1:08:49 AM EDT

[#45]

Quoted:
sorry Dave A

they will sell them like hot cakes.
and why couldnt they get them to work ?? are you an engineer ??

there are plenty open bolt MG'S now built as closed bolt semi's
that work great. even if they have a few quirks, still a Hoot to shoot.

and try to buy a transferable of either of said weapons...
got 200-300,000 dollars laying around ?

They will not be able to get a FNC FCG to work because we are dealing with 2 entirely different actions... So no easy autosear conversions...

And the 240 & 249 would be very difficult to convert, due to the way the action works and the space inside the receiver.

Further, these are very expensive guns even in their 'military' configurations. They cost as much new and unconverted as the 'converted' parts-kits guns do at retail...

This is a small market, and given the choice most folks will pay $1000-4000 for a 1919 to a RPD or MG42 rather than $10,000-15,000 for a new FN weapon...

And they would have to sell alot more than the probable 300-400 in order to make money on the deal....

FNCs would sell, on the other hand, because of the sears and the desire by some to have ANY FA 5.56 rifle, even if it's not as versatile as the M16...

Posted: 1/2/2007 1:58:05 AM EDT

[#46]

Quoted:
There are 150 people on the wait list for the company that does the conversion now for $8500. US Ordinance sells all the M60 e4s for $9000 that they can make.

I think FN would sell a bunch of M249s for the same price as a posty full auto ($6K)

Post-FA? Count on BAFT-troop to crash the party.

Posted: 1/2/2007 3:15:19 PM EDT

[#47]

crash what party ??

id rather have a semi saw or 240. than a FNC with a sear.
doesnt do a thing for me, my buddy had one in 1989. and i really didnt like it then.

id rather have a semi Fal Para.

thats just me.

Posted: 1/4/2007 1:32:07 AM EDT

[#48]

Well talked to the wife today...told her the rumors. Told her FN reps said "probably". She rolled her eyes and said "ok"! But it`s either this or a 1970 Plymouth Roadrunner. Damn I hate things being difficult!

Posted: 1/4/2007 3:26:55 PM EDT

[#49]

hummm, the Roadrunner sounds pretty good too.
and they wont be trying to ban it.

my buddy had one with a worked 340, it would light em up and not even move.
was awesome

Posted: 1/4/2007 4:08:35 PM EDT

[#50]

I`m looking at a 440 Big Block with 6 2 bbl carbs and a four speed. Guess if I buy a SCAR instead I can still get the Roadrunner

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