Alright, recommendations for tricking out a Hellcat

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Alright, recommendations for tricking out a Hellcat

Posted: 4/28/2004 6:14:34 AM EDT

I'll be ordering a Hellcat soon, and I'm trying to only buy pouches for it once. I'd like to get it right the first time.

I'd like it to handle 4 Wilson Combat mags, a SureFire M2, a Motorola FRS radio, GPS, knife, and a few small misc items.

I want to get a MAXpedition MM dump pouch, but that may go on the belt.

Anyone have pics of their rigs? QuietShootr?

TIA

BTW, I've been searching over at LightFighter, but they recently changed the way photos are posted, and many links are dead.

Posted: 4/28/2004 1:57:37 PM EDT

[#1]

I've got too much shit on mine, but I guess it's better to have to much than not enough.

4x Paraclete double m4 mag pouches down the middle, flanked by 2 (1 one each side) Paraclete upright GP pouches. 1 Paraclete quad pistol mag pouch piggy backed on one of the GP pouches.

I'm using one of my GP pouches as a dump pouch because my MM dump pouch still hasn't arrived after 7 months.

I got some pics at home, I could post when I get home.

Posted: 4/28/2004 2:19:47 PM EDT

[#2]

Can anyone tell me what the MM dump pouch is ( Or a web site) ? Will the Eagle dump pouch fit on the Hellcat! By the way HKocher I saw your Hellcat and set mine up similar to yours! Nice job...
Sean

Posted: 4/28/2004 2:54:05 PM EDT

[#3]

I don't know if there is anyway you can do it but I added a Tactical Tailor First responder bag (their redisigned fanny pack style) to the webbing in front (bottom) of my SOE DA chest harness.

Picture from Lightfighter.com where they are for sale.

I think that was a great addition, my goal is to add 40mm pouches, and a Eagle 3-mag M9 friction pouch and whatever else I need will end up on my 3-day pack and I won't need a belt.

Posted: 4/28/2004 3:23:01 PM EDT

[#4]

Here my Hellcat:

Thanks for the compliment Irish.

The MM dump pouch is a based on the Eagle evidence pouch, with is basically a nylon pouch that folds up into about a 2"x2" package. When opened up, it can hold about 6-7 mags.

I ordered mine from Reece Gear, he built the first MM dump pouch based on MilitaryMoron's (a guy that posts on some gun boards including this one) idea.

But he's a one operation and has a lot of military customers, so I've been waiting a long time.

Apparenty now Maxpedition is making the same pouch. I imagine they are quicker since they are a bigger company. Can't comment on their quality though.

These guys sell Maxpedition gear:

www.tripleaughtdesign.com/

Don't know from experience, but I think an Eagle dump pouch would fit on a Hellcat.

Posted: 4/28/2004 4:01:51 PM EDT

[#5]

My biggest problem with dump pouches other than taking up space is that some of them (Eagle included) are not rigid enough and on occaision these pouches take more time than I am comfortable with to dump empty mags into. Not to mention that when it is leg mounted, GP and mag pouches obscure it's opening from view, further complicating the process of utilizing it.

A std issue BDU cargo pocket will hold approx 4-6empty mags and is actually faster than my Eagle dump pouch. The only problem with that is that the mags make a lot of noise when you walk.

Tactical Tailors dump pouch looks the best but it won't fold up small, although I would guess that any dump pouch that would fold up would not be rigid enough for me.

I bought my SOE DA chest harness to get away from dump pouches, it has a large zippered compartment that works better and takes up almost no extra space.

The Army thought about disposeable single use clear plastic magazines that would come pre-loaded in Vietnam, and I think the idea would be outstanding, mag changes would speed up and soldiers wouldn't have to save the empties, no more crates of ammo for re-supply, instead just lightning fast pre-loaded magazines that could be quickly distributed. (For a military that uses guided munitions for jobs that could be completed with computor targeted dumb bombs the added cost would not seem out of the question or extravagant.)

Posted: 4/28/2004 4:10:31 PM EDT

[#6]

Here's how I've got mine setup.

Paraclete quad pistol mag pouch
Paraclete GP pocket
(2) SOE CQB mag pouch

Posted: 5/1/2004 4:48:43 PM EDT

[#7]

I have a question: I see a lot of people putting M4 mag pouches like the Paraclete on the front of their rigs. Are you putting the mag pouches on for extra capacity or is it because you aren't using the internal mag pouches built behind the PALS webbing? If it is the latter, is there a reason why you don't use or like the internal mag functionality of the Hellcat?

It just seems to me that if you already have the thickness of two mags turned sideways on your belly, why would you want to add the additional depth of more mags at the same place?

Posted: 5/2/2004 7:09:43 AM EDT

[#8]

I love the hellcat design, Im running a hellcat FLC right now. As to the question about adding mag pouches, let me put it this way. I never go outside the wire without at least 10 mags on my vest and another 6 in the ruck.

The 6 on the hellcat are just enough to get you in trouble, but not enough to get you out.

Posted: 5/2/2004 8:59:38 AM EDT

[#9]

So, if I understand correctly, you are using the internal AND external mag pouches. Anybody else?
Does the Hellcat FLC have padded shoulder straps? I can't tell from the picture on Lightfighter (www.lightfighter.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=33)

Posted: 5/2/2004 1:41:10 PM EDT

[#10]

No pics here.

I have mine set up w/ a quad paraclete pistol pouch, a paraclete TX open-top triple M4 pouch w/ velcro front for department ID tag, and a paraclete GP small for my medical kit. 10 M4 mags, 3 Glock mags, surefire E2E, and a med. kit. I need another GP small for misc. crap.

I wanted to keep it as light and simple as possible, while packing enough firepower to surviuve the next "Hollywood shootout".

Posted: 5/2/2004 1:43:14 PM EDT

[#11]

BTW, you'll need to use magpuls to get the mags out of the internal pouches with any kind of haste...

Posted: 5/3/2004 6:35:23 AM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:
So, if I understand correctly, you are using the internal AND external mag pouches. Anybody else?
Does the Hellcat FLC have padded shoulder straps? I can't tell from the picture on Lightfighter (www.lightfighter.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=33)

Pretty much everyone here is using both the internal and the external mag pouches.

No padding on the shoulders.

Posted: 5/3/2004 11:31:18 AM EDT

[#13]

Any preference to which model: the "Mk1", "Mk2", or "Mk3"?

Posted: 5/4/2004 11:01:30 AM EDT

[#14]

Never used a MK2 or 3, but the Mk1 is easy to get on/off. I don't see the need for the buckle.

I have found that the internal pocket snaps are hard to open. It seems like I pull the tab up and toward my body and it doesn't put enough tension to unsnap the button. My hand hits my body before the snap will come loose. (am I making sense here?) They need to use much stiffer nylon on the tabs.

Anyway, anyone else have this problem? Any quick fixes/techniques?

Posted: 5/4/2004 12:12:56 PM EDT

[#15]

Great replies, everyone. Thanks for the pics.

I was also wondering which version to get. Although, I'm leaning towards the mk3 (in coyote, of course).

Posted: 5/4/2004 5:37:11 PM EDT

[#16]

I really like the look of HKocher's rig in the photo above. What color is that? Is it OD or just a really dark picture of Coyote?

Posted: 5/4/2004 6:58:17 PM EDT

[#17]

If you want a split front go with the Mk3. My Hellcat/FLC has the MkII closure and I really dont like it. Just have to deal with it till I get the Callahan 2.0

Posted: 5/4/2004 7:01:08 PM EDT

[#18]

Callahan 2.0?

Posted: 5/5/2004 11:32:20 AM EDT

[#19]

He's referring to the SOTECH (Special Operations Technologies) Callahan Convertible Plate Carrier System, Version 2.

It's a modified Hellcat MK1 and a Plate Carrier that attach together. Does not hold soft armor, but rather accepts rifle plates. The Hellcat and the Plate carrier can be used either together or independently. The Version 2 has padded shoulder strapss whereas the first version did not. Very sweet rig......and there are quite alot of pics over at Lightfighter's forum. I hope to order one soon.

Posted: 5/5/2004 11:39:27 AM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:
I really like the look of HKocher's rig in the photo above. What color is that? Is it OD or just a really dark picture of Coyote?

It OD green, but I have a really crappy camera.

That actual color is more like that in Green0's pic.

Well, technically the Paraclete pouches are 'smoke green' but they're pretty much the same color as the Hellcat.

Posted: 5/5/2004 2:26:13 PM EDT

[#21]

more pics please!

meat

Posted: 5/8/2004 11:24:33 AM EDT

[#22]

Here's mine in Coyote:

Posted: 5/13/2004 12:27:48 PM EDT

[#23]

does anybody know how to get a s.o. tech. hhp for my hellcat mk1?
how much are they?
thanks,meat

Posted: 6/1/2004 3:46:43 PM EDT

[#24]

Another satisfied Hellcat owner here. My rig was inspired by HKocher's, but is the light version. 10 mags for 5.56 and two spares of .45.

Posted: 6/4/2004 12:32:30 PM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:
Another satisfied Hellcat owner here. My rig was inspired by HKocher's, but is the light version. 10 mags for 5.56 and two spares of .45.

www.hunt101.com/img/164645.jpg

Looks good. That's a smarter set up than mine because it won't hurt your back as much.

Posted: 6/4/2004 1:24:25 PM EDT

[#26]

does anybody know who has paraclete items in stock? i know there is a backorder on alot of the items.

thanks,meat

Posted: 6/4/2004 4:58:28 PM EDT

[#27]

My old Hellcrap MK2 w/ assorted pouches... EGL PLP, SOE SF M3 Pouch, Paraclete M4 Double Mag (w/ one mag), Paraclete M1911 Single X2.

-Cap'n

Posted: 6/6/2004 1:50:51 AM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Another satisfied Hellcat owner here. My rig was inspired by HKocher's, but is the light version. 10 mags for 5.56 and two spares of .45.

www.hunt101.com/img/164645.jpg

Looks good. That's a smarter set up than mine because it won't hurt your back as much.

And I can drop my arms down to transitionwithout the GP pouches making it hard. I figure 10 mags X 30 rounds is enough to close with and destroy the enemy threat or get the hell out of dodge.

Posted: 6/6/2004 2:43:02 AM EDT

[#29]

Tagged, and damn the ARFCOM Arms Race!

Posted: 6/7/2004 5:00:24 AM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:
does anybody know who has paraclete items in stock? i know there is a backorder on alot of the items.

thanks,meat

Um did you try placing an order with Paraclete?

Posted: 6/7/2004 5:14:57 AM EDT

[#31]

yes,
they dont sell to individuals, only govt and large contracts, umm

meat

Posted: 6/7/2004 7:54:38 AM EDT

[#32]

Strategosinternational.com will order direct from Paraclete and have them ship the stuff directly to you. I got my clete pouches in less than a week.

Posted: 6/7/2004 5:18:52 PM EDT

[#33]

thanks mp906,
i'll give them a call

meat

Posted: 6/28/2004 8:17:51 AM EDT

[#34]

Tag. Should have my Hellcat Mk1 and SOtech Hydration harness within a week.

Posted: 6/28/2004 1:41:15 PM EDT

[#35]

Mine is still barebones. I'm hoping to hit one of the Lightfighter store fronts this next month while I'm out of town. Hope to get a few GP pouches and pistol mag pouches. Maybe a holster or makeshift mag pouch/holster.

Aren't modular things great??

Stephen

Posted: 6/28/2004 3:59:21 PM EDT

[#36]

Quoted:
yes,
they dont sell to individuals, only govt and large contracts, umm

meat

LOL, yea OK, whateva, If ya cant figure it out TBSS

Posted: 9/6/2004 3:41:05 PM EDT

[#37]

I just ordered a Callahan-2 Last week in Coyote, Damn Expensive but it appears worth it. I had a WASATCH for awhile and REALLY liked it, My commander wouldnt let us wear them though. BUT.......... this one will go with me no matter what he says. I plan to run a Sotech Double mag pouch on the front and 2 other Utility pouchs and a few pistol mag pouches as well. Im an Engineer and need pouches for my Demo stuff, This appears to be the ticket.
You all have some Excellant gear setups, Im impressed. Ive been using a STRIKE Chest rig, Its a great rig and well balanced, just not enough room for Engineer gear and mags.
chuck

Posted: 9/6/2004 6:22:22 PM EDT

[#38]

Nice thread and nice pics of rigs fellas!

eaglecp,
We wish you the best of luck with your Callahan- Hope the CO doesnt give you any more trouble!

I'd love to hear how it works out for ya!

I'll address the questions regarding the Maxpedition version of the MM Dump Pouch (Rollypoly). If anyone was wondering about mag capacity, it comfortably holds 7 USGI 30 rd mags. We've got some detailed images of different Rollypoly's and Mini Rollypolys- I'll just post a discussion relevant image here.

When it has 7 mags inside, it takes on the wide rectangular shape the mags create, instead of the round shape in the image. As for construction, the thing is solid. Its made of better materials than some of the domestic gear we carry. It's not only genuine Dupont Cordura, but its Teflon-coated to make it more resistant to stains and water. It has a nice big grommet on the bottom to drain.

Maxpedition is the only import tactical nylon brand we carry because we've been so impressed with the designs, construction and attention to detail. Our biggest customers have been NYPD ESU officers who have purchased these in black for their entry vests and tactical belts. While the Mini Rollypoly will hold 4 magazines, I really wouldnt recommend it as a magazine dump pouch. The Mega Rollypoly is downright huge, and has backup strap holders at the bottom if the user wanted to tie down the bottom to a leg to keep it from flopping around. It was pointless to try and fill it up with magazines, as you could practically fit a pro-helmet in there.

Hope that answers some questions- feel free to contact us with any questions!

Joe

Posted: 9/6/2004 11:51:53 PM EDT

[#39]

Nice rigs guys, and good advice for those shopping for rigs.

And off topic, Capn_Crunch, that is one HELL of a nice looking rifle.

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