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Quoted: Onder, how much would it cost to ship me one of those upper assemblies and three magazines?

Hmm i really don't know but i have paid about $1000 for this shoutgun, comes with 2 magazine, yes it's expensive for a shotgun but we can not own real m16 or ar-15 rifles in Turkey, i have buy this shotgun for home defence, i recommend you contact to manufacturer, they may sell cheap to US., for presentation.

by the way,

www.mkek.gov.tr/foHaberler.aspx?iKodHaber=25

i know you can not read Turkish but another company called MKEK will produce semi automated HK G3 shotgun and will export to outside of Turkey.

Cheers,
Önder

I always wondered why someone hadn't produced such a weapon, Appearently I wasn't alone.

Not that it's a great idea, but it certianly shows the adaptability of the AR platform.

Saiga 12ga. legal w/10rd
Saiga 410 legal w/ 4rd w/o american parts group.
No 10 rd mags imported anymore.
410 10rd mags on e-bay $80. and up

Quoted: by the way, www.mkek.gov.tr/foHaberler.aspx?iKodHaber=25 i know you can not read Turkish but another company called MKEK will produce semi automated HK G3 shotgun and will export to outside of Turkey.

My Turkish is pretty limited, but this may be the govt owned enterprise that produces H&K G3s locally under license.

Complete uppers would work too, as long as we could get our hands on the mags for it.

That's cool!

It shouldn't be too hard to make domestically.

I want that rifleshotgun for hunting deer here in Ohio. MMMMMMmmmmm that would be sweet with a rifled bore and a flat top with an Aimpoint.

That is pretty cool but it doesn't look like the barrel is thick enough for .410 slugs.

Seydou

Quoted: I want that rifleshotgun for hunting deer here in Ohio. MMMMMMmmmmm that would be sweet with a rifled bore and a flat top with an Aimpoint.

you should look into the sagia.

RDIAS compatible? That'd be a fun shotgun. :)

tag for more info and pending GB

Pretty cool!

Can anyone read Turkish?

Please post an E-Mail addy for this company.

And I thought my lever action .410 was cool.  That is way off the coolness chart.

Can we get them? Looks like a standard lower so how about importing just the upper?

Bump for a Turkish Translator......

Quoted: That is pretty cool but it doesn't look like the barrel is thick enough for .410 slugs. Seydou

i have a .410 o/u and the barrels look that big?  shotgun barrels are not really that thick.  brian

Wel

tag

That would awesome with slugs.

WANT

Nice, but not a new idea, those wonderful folk at ARMI JAGER produced a 410 AR.

Quoted: Quoted: Didnt see anyone post this take down video www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kI5wusy9II&mode=related&search= What's the coil/spring under the handguard?

I wondered the same thing.  It appears to be a bolt carrier retaining mechanism. (Just my WAG).

waiting for a GP

I have a Taurus 4410 (45LC-410) I think if this works for 410, I wonder how hard it would be to adapt 45LC?

Oh, and Tagged.

Morcoth

TAG!

very nice, I like!

Am I the only one that laughed his ass off at the '70s porno music playing in that video?

By the way, definately want one of these.

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Quoted: height=8 Quoted: What's the coil/spring under the handguard? I wondered the same thing.  It appears to be a bolt carrier retaining mechanism. (Just my WAG).

That appears to be an additional recoil spring.

I believe this weapon is recoil operated much like an Auto 5.  

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Barrel needs to be 18" or more or it's a SBS.  I've loaded .410 shells in an AR mag before just to try it out.  Doesn't work too well on unmodified mags.  Doesn't seem like it would be too terribly hard to make it work though. I am not sure on this in relation to .410....there are .410 pistols out there, I do not know if .410 counts the same as the 12 etc. A .410 would still need to adhere to the 18" rule.  The .410 pistols are just that... pistols. There's no rule on barrel length on a pistol.

Oh snap, could you imagine a 7.5' AR pistol in .410?  Hominahominahomina...

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What's the coil/spring under the handguard? I wondered the same thing.  It appears to be a bolt carrier retaining mechanism. (Just my WAG). That appears to be an additional recoil spring. I believe this weapon is recoil operated much like an Auto 5.

Note that in the video, the FSB was relatively loose and there was no gas tube.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Barrel needs to be 18" or more or it's a SBS.  I've loaded .410 shells in an AR mag before just to try it out.  Doesn't work too well on unmodified mags.  Doesn't seem like it would be too terribly hard to make it work though. I am not sure on this in relation to .410....there are .410 pistols out there, I do not know if .410 counts the same as the 12 etc. A .410 would still need to adhere to the 18" rule.  The .410 pistols are just that... pistols. There's no rule on barrel length on a pistol. Oh snap, could you imagine a 7.5' AR pistol in .410?  Hominahominahomina...

.410 pistol OK as long as the barrel is rifled.  Otherwise, the barrel must be 18" and the OAL 26".  Or, you could license as a short-barreled shotgun.  Stupid?  Yes.

I have a full on chubby right now

Wonder if the BATFE would declare the barrel 'unsporting'?


Seems to me the parts should be importable.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: RDIAS compatible? That'd be a fun shotgun. :) Upper might fit an M16 Lower........ The bolt carrier is semi auto, it won't trip the sear. It might work with a LL though.

They are not built to scale unfortunately so parts would not be interchangeble, Oleg at FSU Connections 4mls down the road from me sells them.

It's funny this topic should be mentioned so recently...I'm sitting in a hotel in Istanbul and saw one of these in the gun shop this afternoon.  I didn't price it, but this thread makes me want to bring one back and sell it!

Quoted: Quoted: The AR-10 has been built up as a .410.  There was a period when most overseas sales went to Japan, where they were converted to .410. It sounds like a goofy idea, but there are a lot of places in the world where a military cartridge is illegal but people can own shotguns. So will you sell them to us?

+1

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The AR-10 has been built up as a .410.  There was a period when most overseas sales went to Japan, where they were converted to .410. It sounds like a goofy idea, but there are a lot of places in the world where a military cartridge is illegal but people can own shotguns. So will you sell them to us? +1

JAPAN?!?!??

Where gun ownership is SO restricted, that the story was that Biathlon competitors in the Nagasaki Olympics had to account for EVERY live round brought in and have the EXACT same number of spent shells upon departure????  Any discrepancy meant holy heck.  And if you've ever shot biathlon, LAST thing on your mind when shooting a timed accuracy event is policing your [explicative] rimfire brass in [bigger explicative] snow of all things ... like asking a DMR to police his brass in Iraq (BTW, was it Egypt that for a while was indeed requiring its personell to account for every round fired, causing some serious issue with folks picking up empties during skirmishes with "unfriendlies"?)

Just seems implausible that ANY guns would be sold to JAPAN, some of their laws and stats:

There are many kinds of papers which you submit to the police at
     various opportunities.   The following is a list of them (not all of
     them are needed every time).

     o Application for ownership
     o Application for license update
     o Application to buy ammunition
     o Paper to return expired paper to buy ammunition
     o Signed paper that gun shop or ex-owner agrees to sell a gun to you,
       which contains detailed description of the gun
     o List of your family who live with you
     o Abstract of your family register
     o Past 10 years' record of your address, job, crime, and guns
       you ever own
     o Doctor's certification that you are not a user of drugs, and
       satisfies some other physical conditions.
     o Certification of gun lecture (for beginners, or for owners)
     o Certification of practice course at a shooting range

The number of owners of shot gun and air rifle are, if my memory is
     correct, around 35,000 respectively, whereas owners of rifles are 1/10
     of them.

(from post written in 1995, other examples abound in Google-land)  But we're digressing ...

IF Armalite indeed has done these conversions before, then dagnabit, make them again, but for the US market.  We can use Japan as an example that it is sporting ...

Yeah, they need to sell them here, just in case the zombie squirrels ever attack.
                         ( Man, I still want one of these !)

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The AR-10 has been built up as a .410.  There was a period when most overseas sales went to Japan, where they were converted to .410. It sounds like a goofy idea, but there are a lot of places in the world where a military cartridge is illegal but people can own shotguns. So will you sell them to us? +1 JAPAN?!?!?? Where gun ownership is SO restricted, that the story was that Biathlon competitors in the Nagasaki Olympics had to account for EVERY live round brought in and have the EXACT same number of spent shells upon departure????  Any discrepancy meant holy heck.  And if you've ever shot biathlon, LAST thing on your mind when shooting a timed accuracy event is policing your [explicative] rimfire brass in [bigger explicative] snow of all things ... like asking a DMR to police his brass in Iraq (BTW, was it Egypt that for a while was indeed requiring its personell to account for every round fired, causing some serious issue with folks picking up empties during skirmishes with "unfriendlies"?) Just seems implausible that ANY guns would be sold to JAPAN, some of their laws and stats: There are many kinds of papers which you submit to the police at      various opportunities.   The following is a list of them (not all of      them are needed every time).      o Application for ownership      o Application for license update      o Application to buy ammunition      o Paper to return expired paper to buy ammunition      o Signed paper that gun shop or ex-owner agrees to sell a gun to you,        which contains detailed description of the gun      o List of your family who live with you      o Abstract of your family register      o Past 10 years' record of your address, job, crime, and guns        you ever own      o Doctor's certification that you are not a user of drugs, and        satisfies some other physical conditions.      o Certification of gun lecture (for beginners, or for owners)      o Certification of practice course at a shooting range The number of owners of shot gun and air rifle are, if my memory is      correct, around 35,000 respectively, whereas owners of rifles are 1/10      of them. (from post written in 1995, other examples abound in Google-land)  But we're digressing ... IF Armalite indeed has done these conversions before, then dagnabit, make them again, but for the US market.  We can use Japan as an example that it is sporting ...

You should have seen the furor at the harbor when the boat I was on admitted to having a shotgun on board. I have never seen that many people with obvious fear (for their careers, not lives) running around. I also have a a hard time believing that the Japanese (who make wonderful firearms) would BUY many of them.

Also, it was Nagano, not Nagasaki. But the image is fun.

OST for outcome on importing