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Posted: 5/17/2008 4:17:28 PM EDT
I have an oppertunity to buy a Russian Makarov model IJ70-17A,it is a B-West import, seller is asking $300.00 with 2 mags.
I know nothing about Makarovs,and judging by the price range in the FAQ,this seems a bit high priced. Seller says it is about 90% condition,and shoots very good.
Link Posted: 5/17/2008 5:26:42 PM EDT
[#1]
I bought my Russian Makarov for about $180.00 in California about 12 years ago.  It was new and came with one mag.  I'm sure market value has gone up but not sure how much.  

Upside: Approximately 800+ rounds and I've never had a failure to fire or failure to eject, not to mention its a tack driver.

Downside: The rear "target" sight sucks. It's one more thing to snag if your going for a ccw.  Also it has a lot of slop. After it was sighted in I filled the underside of the rear sight with JB Weld now it's rock solid.

If I bought a second Mak it would be with a non-adjustible rear sight.
$300 sounds too high. just my 2 cents.
Link Posted: 5/21/2008 12:13:57 AM EDT
[#2]
More like $200 tops. Only East German Maks are going for $300+. Tell him this and offer him $200 or less.
Link Posted: 5/21/2008 3:36:58 AM EDT
[#3]
I like mine, I CCW it in the summer here, I'm a skinny fucker so it's nice for me. Very accurate, horrible trigger pull in DA. I'll carry Hornaday in it for protection.
Link Posted: 5/21/2008 11:57:32 PM EDT
[#4]
Link Posted: 5/22/2008 12:08:23 AM EDT
[#5]
Link Posted: 5/28/2008 10:59:55 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:

Quoted:
More like $200 tops. Only East German Maks are going for $300+. Tell him this and offer him $200 or less.


You think so?  Makarov.com that was in the business of selling these pistols and accessories for years has a different view.  You guys are about 6 years out of date on your values.


What's my Makarov worth?
Price is always difficult to nail down because ultimately it comes down to what the buyer and the seller are willing to agree upon. Having said that, here are some guidelines for the most common Makarov pistols. We assume that the pistol is in very good to excellent condition and includes at least 2 magazines. Aftermarket and original accessories are extra.



East German: $250 - $350

Bulgarian military or police: $125 - $200

Bulgarian Miltex "Special Edition": $250 - $400 depending on finish.

Norinco Type 59: $250 - $400 Note: These are becoming exceedingly uncommon and thus may fetch an even higher price

Russian Military: $250 - $400

Russian commercial (IJ-70, adjustable rear sight, single stack magazine, 9x18M or .380 ACP, blued): $250 - $400

Russian commerical (IJ-71, fixed rear sight, single stack Magazine, 9x18M or .380 ACP, blued): $400 Plus - Note VERY Rare in the USA.

Russian commercial high capacity (IJ-70-18AH or IJ-70-17AH): $250 - $400 Note: 12-round magazines add about $75 - $90 each to the value

Russian commercial, "satin" stainless steel: $300 - $400. About 15,000 were imported.

Russian commercial, nickel: $200 - $300. About 30,000 were imported. The finish on these is VERY thin.

Simson-Suhl German Makarov: $400 - $800. These are quite rare and owners tend to jealously guard them. SOG had some a while back, but they were gone almost instantly.


Thanks for the update! Where did you get your info?
Link Posted: 5/28/2008 11:03:14 PM EDT
[#7]
For what they are (a Walther PP clone) and their price, they are excellent.  The fixed barrel contributes to accuracy, they are utterly reliable like all Russian small arms, and 9mm Makarov is somewhere between .380 and 9mm in power and capabilities.  

The only bad points are the ergonomics (it's not the most comfortable pistol) and the double-action trigger pull (a bit heavy).  For the price, the Makarov is hard to beat.  

For those of you interested in the terminal ballistics of the 9mm Makarov:  www.brassfetcher.com/var9x18mm.html
Link Posted: 6/3/2008 9:12:38 AM EDT
[#8]
Love the MAKs!  Great ROBUST pistols.
Link Posted: 6/13/2008 11:36:26 AM EDT
[#9]
Look for a deal.  I bought an IJ170-17A (same model that you are looking at) at a gun show for $210 NIB.  Granted, it had been sitting around for several years, but it was still NIB.  It is a great shooter, I am currently in the process of re-barreling it for 9x18mm.
Link Posted: 6/21/2008 7:31:48 AM EDT
[#10]
Actually they are anything but a Walther PP Clone.  They have the same lines as the PP but the trigger mechanism and how they work is COMPLETELY different.  A clone will take parts of other "clones".  An FEG PMK is a clone....the Mak has less than 1/2 of the parts of the Walther and similar desings.

They are excellent guns at any price.  They are heavy for there size but that just means they will live a long life....they are slim so they carry well and they run like a freaking timex and are very accurate.

Shoot well and god bless
Link Posted: 6/22/2008 4:47:41 AM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
I have an oppertunity to buy a Russian Makarov model IJ70-17A,it is a B-West import, seller is asking $300.00 with 2 mags.
I know nothing about Makarovs,and judging by the price range in the FAQ,this seems a bit high priced. Seller says it is about 90% condition,and shoots very good.


The only way that gun is worth NEAR $300. is if it is a double-stack Mak. and the mags are original 12 rounders.  
Link Posted: 7/4/2008 9:55:43 AM EDT
[#12]
the makarov is the AK-47 of handguns when it comes to reliability
Link Posted: 7/5/2008 5:35:09 PM EDT
[#13]
+ 1

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the makarov is the AK-47 of handguns when it comes to reliability
Link Posted: 7/10/2008 12:05:41 AM EDT
[#14]
They are a great VERY RELIABLE gun. But for $300 I'd buy a used Glock.

For a small CCW I'd be buying the Hungarian 9X18mm PA63, they are still affordable (kinda).
Link Posted: 7/10/2008 1:44:10 AM EDT
[#15]
IMO Bersa makes a better handgun. Price is right too.
Link Posted: 7/15/2008 3:10:34 PM EDT
[#16]
Not to start a war here but IMO a Bersa isnt even close to a Makarov and I have much experience with both-- Now if price is the issue and MAKS are getting too high then maybe a Bersa... but better---- Not a chance.
Link Posted: 7/16/2008 2:26:37 PM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:
the GLOCK is the AK-47 of handguns when it comes to reliability


Mak's updated prices are spot-on.
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 2:46:02 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:
Not to start a war here but IMO a Bersa isnt even close to a Makarov and I have much experience with both-- Now if price is the issue and MAKS are getting too high then maybe a Bersa... but better---- Not a chance.


+ 1

Link Posted: 7/27/2008 4:42:27 AM EDT
[#19]
The Mak was hard to beat for a small pistol at a very reasonable price. As prices go up on these, a Glock 19 is not much more money, and shoots standard 9mm. And as MAK stated, the CZs are a good alternative considering costs.

I was fortunate to get my Maks when the prices were still reasonable, and they have been accurate and reliable, even though I don't enjoy shooting them too much because a) their recoil makes them very snappy, and b) finding ammo tends to be a challenge, so I save what I have instead of blasting at a target.

Sure wish I would have grabbed one of the Bulgarians when they were in the $99 range, I had my chance, but did not know what a solid, reliable, and accurate handgun they were at the time.
Link Posted: 7/29/2008 1:29:52 PM EDT
[#20]
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Quoted:
Not to start a war here but IMO a Bersa isnt even close to a Makarov and I have much experience with both-- Now if price is the issue and MAKS are getting too high then maybe a Bersa... but better---- Not a chance.


I've got a couple of Maks and a Bersa Thunder CC.  Both are good pistols.  The only real issue I have with my Bersa is "ballpoint pen spring" it has for a recoil spring.  I can't find a heavier replacement anywhere.  My Bulgie Mak is the best pistol I've got, and I've got a dozen handguns.  It's reliable and shoots straight.  It's my CCW.  I also have a hi cap Mak in .380.  It's just as reliable.  
Link Posted: 8/5/2008 1:00:45 PM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:

Quoted:
the GLOCK is the AK-47 of handguns when it comes to reliability


Mak's updated prices are spot-on.
Glock the OVERATED handgun ever . I own 3 Makarov one of the most underated hanguns ever ! Oh own 3 of them to !
Link Posted: 8/5/2008 1:15:27 PM EDT
[#22]
I had a Russian MAK that I bought as my first handgun about 15 years ago.  It had the adjustable sight.  The first shot went in the dirt about 10 feet in front of me.  I was like, WTF!?!?!?.  I adjusted the sight and it was better, but not my favorite handgun,  I sold it last year.
Link Posted: 8/12/2008 2:42:31 PM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:

Quoted:
More like $200 tops. Only East German Maks are going for $300+. Tell him this and offer him $200 or less.


You think so?  Makarov.com that was in the business of selling these pistols and accessories for years has a different view.  You guys are about 6 years out of date on your values.


What's my Makarov worth?
Price is always difficult to nail down because ultimately it comes down to what the buyer and the seller are willing to agree upon. Having said that, here are some guidelines for the most common Makarov pistols. We assume that the pistol is in very good to excellent condition and includes at least 2 magazines. Aftermarket and original accessories are extra.



East German: $250 - $350

Bulgarian military or police: $125 - $200

Bulgarian Miltex "Special Edition": $250 - $400 depending on finish.

Norinco Type 59: $250 - $400 Note: These are becoming exceedingly uncommon and thus may fetch an even higher price

Russian Military: $250 - $400

Russian commercial (IJ-70, adjustable rear sight, single stack magazine, 9x18M or .380 ACP, blued): $250 - $400

Russian commerical (IJ-71, fixed rear sight, single stack Magazine, 9x18M or .380 ACP, blued): $400 Plus - Note VERY Rare in the USA.

Russian commercial high capacity (IJ-70-18AH or IJ-70-17AH): $250 - $400 Note: 12-round magazines add about $75 - $90 each to the value

Russian commercial, "satin" stainless steel: $300 - $400. About 15,000 were imported.

Russian commercial, nickel: $200 - $300. About 30,000 were imported. The finish on these is VERY thin.

Simson-Suhl German Makarov: $400 - $800. These are quite rare and owners tend to jealously guard them. SOG had some a while back, but they were gone almost instantly.


I know someone selling a perfect condition EG mak with one mag for 400, is that too high?
Link Posted: 8/21/2008 5:30:48 AM EDT
[#24]
I would not pay $400 for a makarov, I bought my bulgy for $200, the guy also had an EG that he was selling for $300. When It starts getting that high, I think there are better choices with more power.

but for $200 they are great pistols.
Link Posted: 9/4/2008 6:59:24 PM EDT
[#25]
I have owned a Bulgy Mak for 8 years and a EG Mak for two and have never had a jam.  Love these guns.
Link Posted: 10/8/2008 4:36:37 PM EDT
[#26]
I bought my IJ-70 Russian 9X18 for $200! I love the thing. Super thin grip, ultra reliable and it couldn't care less which ammo you run through it. How can you beat that? I should mention it's accurate as well.
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