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Posted: 6/17/2010 12:09:08 AM EDT
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Based on some of the commentary that this thread has so far received, I have actually been reluctant to post any report. Glock was gracious enough to permit us into their headquarters and were (I think) incredibly forthcoming about our (well, my) questions. Andreas, the tour guide (one of the international sales directors) said that the usual questions are things like "how far do they shoot" and other such non-shooter issues.
I think that the greatest lesson learned from this trip is that most interwebz-commandoz would be far better served calling Glock Customer Service for answers to questions than they are arguing with each other in the ARFCOM Glock Forum, or on Glock Talk. Further, the interwebz has not, in any way/shape/form, promoted patience in the market. I truly feel a bit more sympathy for Glock, Magpul, BCM, Spike's Tactical, Bushmaster, and other firms who have taken the immature wrath of the interwebz-commandoz. That said, here are some of my notes, which will hopefully address the most urgent concerns of the more serious-minded Glock fans. –––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––– Generation 3 vs Generation 4
Magazines
Green Polymer:
Carbine
22LR Conversion & Full-Sized "Slimline"
Indoor Range
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Posted: 6/17/2010 12:09:28 AM EDT
[#2]
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Posted: 6/17/2010 2:26:52 AM EDT
[#3]
Looking forward to you report. Most manufacturing facilities won't let you photograph the working line. Good luck with the camera. |
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Posted: 6/17/2010 3:20:16 AM EDT
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Realm of reality:
Please ask about the 22 round .40 mag they just put out, and if that means a .45 coming soon. What is the latest word on the recoil assembly in the 9mm gen 4's? Have they settled on going back to the old style spring and guide rod in the new wider housing, or are they still working on what the "final version" will be? Less likely: Will we be getting a 9mm sf? Will we be getting any guns smaller than the 26? Perhaps a single stack small 9mm? How's the carbine coming along? |
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Posted: 6/17/2010 4:08:39 AM EDT
[#5]
Please ask:
1)What is the difference between the "1" and "2" on the .40 mags. and 2)What is the deal with the new #9 .40 follower. |
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Posted: 6/17/2010 4:11:06 AM EDT
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Quoted: Will we be getting a 9mm sf? GEN4. Will we be getting any guns smaller than the 26? Perhaps a single stack small 9mm? Not importable. How's the carbine coming along?  |
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Posted: 6/17/2010 4:14:36 AM EDT
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Rumor has it that glock will not be doing a recall on Gen 4 double recoil springs, but will be offering a voluntary replacement for them with Gen 3 springs. It's also rumored
that all future Gen 4's will come with Gen 3 recoil springs. Can you get the details on this, and why Glock has decided to replace them? Thanks. |
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Posted: 6/17/2010 4:14:47 AM EDT
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Quoted: Fellow Glockers, I will be visiting the Glock factory in Deutsch-Wagram tomorrow morning. Holy shit, you're going to the Mother ship!  I had to re read your post. I thought you were going to Glock USA. |
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Posted: 6/17/2010 4:21:16 AM EDT
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[Reserved for epic thread.]
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Posted: 6/17/2010 5:53:36 AM EDT
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Tag for report.
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Posted: 6/17/2010 6:05:16 AM EDT
[#11]
I'm very excited for the AAR.
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Posted: 6/17/2010 7:10:28 AM EDT
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Are they going to be phasing out the Gen 3 or RTF 2 guns?
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Posted: 6/17/2010 9:06:25 AM EDT
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Ask about the carbine please!!!
And if they say nothing is planned then call them an idiot. THanks
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Posted: 6/17/2010 9:12:13 AM EDT
[#14]
I heard the carbine will be out in two weeks.
Sorry but somebody had to do it.
You can still ask about it. 
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Posted: 6/17/2010 11:38:58 AM EDT
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TAG for a total awesome AAR of Glock Factory! Get me a Glock Patch I need another one since I gave mine away to one of hte guys at work.
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Posted: 6/17/2010 11:45:32 AM EDT
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Quoted: Are they going to be phasing out the Gen 3 or RTF 2 guns? Good question. I've herd "no" from multiple sources however. |
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Posted: 6/17/2010 12:08:46 PM EDT
[#17]
any plan for a single stack mid to full size 45ACP?
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Posted: 6/17/2010 1:14:04 PM EDT
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TAG
ask the questions above. are they going to make a .22 upper. |
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Posted: 6/17/2010 1:34:02 PM EDT
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Quoted:
I'm very excited for the AAR. +1 |
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Posted: 6/17/2010 1:39:45 PM EDT
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Most importantly, ask who will replace Jessie Abbate. And post pics.
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Posted: 6/17/2010 1:53:08 PM EDT
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Here's my proposed list of questions ... you have until approx 0100 EDT to get me any other edits to these, or other, better questions. I am going to try and limit the questions of the type that you guys are asking to no more than five or six ... so all of these may not be addressed. My personal priority is on their contracts, worldwide market penetration, manufacturing techniques, etc.
1) Are the Gen3/G3-RTF frames in danger of being discontinued? 2) Will over-capacity mags ever be available for the G20 and G21? 3) SF G26? 4) Single-Stack 45 larger than the G36? 5) Any plans for other Gen4 guns (26/27)? Estimated date(s)? 6) Will the RTF2 grip texture ever make it's appearance in the Gen4 guns? 7) Will either RTF2 OR Gen4 guns ever be available in OD (or whatever they call that color)? 8) When will Gen4 Glock 22 and 17 magazines be available on their own? 9) Will there ever be a shoulder-fired Glock? 10) Will there ever be factory 22LR conversions? |
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Posted: 6/17/2010 2:04:33 PM EDT
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A lot of those questions are redundant/obvious. Please ask my .40 mag question as that is a question that no one knows or can predict.
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Posted: 6/17/2010 2:22:54 PM EDT
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Quoted:
Here's my proposed list of questions ... you have until approx 0100 EDT to get me any other edits to these, or other, better questions. I am going to try and limit the questions of the type that you guys are asking to no more than five or six ... so all of these may not be addressed. My personal priority is on their contracts, worldwide market penetration, manufacturing techniques, etc. 1) Are the Gen3/G3-RTF frames in danger of being discontinued? 2) Will over-capacity mags ever be available for the G20 and G21? 3) SF G26? 4) Single-Stack 45 larger than the G36? 5) Any plans for other Gen4 guns (26/27)? Estimated date(s)? 6) Will the RTF2 grip texture ever make it's appearance in the Gen4 guns? 7) Will either RTF2 OR Gen4 guns ever be available in OD (or whatever they call that color)? 8) When will Gen4 Glock 22 and 17 magazines be available on their own? 9) Will there ever be a shoulder-fired Glock? 10) Will there ever be factory 22LR conversions? sounds good. |
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Posted: 6/17/2010 5:00:09 PM EDT
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i read this and it sounds like winning a ticket to the Wonka factory
take a pic of the Oompa Loompas!
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Posted: 6/17/2010 8:18:39 PM EDT
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Quoted:
Rumor has it that glock will not be doing a recall on Gen 4 double recoil springs, but will be offering a voluntary replacement for them with Gen 3 springs. It's also rumored that all future Gen 4's will come with Gen 3 recoil springs.
Can you get the details on this, and why Glock has decided to replace them? Thanks. I called Glock in Smyrna about this and was told that this rumor is NOT true. They reiterated that the Gen4 17 is designed for full power 9mm, not the underpowered 9mm target loads you find at Walmart, and as long as you stick to full power or +p 9mm, you should not have any problems. My experience with my Gen4 17 confirms this. I just don't understand why some Gen4 17's seem to work fine with everything, and others, like mine, won't run reliably with cheap target wally world ammo. |
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Posted: 6/17/2010 8:21:57 PM EDT
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When are they going to shit can 45GAP?
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Posted: 6/18/2010 8:17:03 AM EDT
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Quoted:
Rumor has it that glock will not be doing a recall on Gen 4 double recoil springs, but will be offering a voluntary replacement for them with Gen 3 springs. It's also rumored that all future Gen 4's will come with Gen 3 recoil springs.
Can you get the details on this, and why Glock has decided to replace them? Thanks. If the rumor you speak of implies Glock will be using a Gen 3 spring and gude rod, I couldn't imagine Glock doing that as it would require changing the slide and also the half moon cut on the barrel in front of the locking lug. This would seem silly when they could just change the weight of the springs in the existing Gen 4 setup. Even though the rumor came from someone well respected and he claimed to have heard it from someone "high up the food chain" at Glock, I still have my doubts. According to the two people I recently spoke with at Glock, they are shipping new Gen 4 G17 pistols with an upgraded / lower weight spring which can be identified by the number 02 stamped on the metal base. They also have replacements which they will ship for free if you call and give the s/n of your pistol. |
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Posted: 6/18/2010 2:35:35 PM EDT
[#28]
Pictures are up (see 3rd post on Page 1).
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Posted: 6/18/2010 2:44:36 PM EDT
[#29]
Very cool, what a great experience!
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Posted: 6/18/2010 3:17:35 PM EDT
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Quoted:
Pictures are up (see 3rd post on Page 1). The pic of the Gen4 G19, did you see if it was the dual-recoil spring set up? |
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Posted: 6/18/2010 3:20:11 PM EDT
[#31]
This is the greatest post in history! OP needs to re post this in the Glock information thread for posterity.
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Posted: 6/18/2010 4:07:24 PM EDT
[#32]
Nice!!!
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Posted: 6/18/2010 5:53:22 PM EDT
[#33]
Thanks. Great pictures.
The Gen 4 G19 looks pretty awesome. |
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Posted: 6/18/2010 9:49:43 PM EDT
[#34]
Awesome.
Simply. Awesome. |
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Posted: 6/18/2010 9:58:30 PM EDT
[#35]
yes, very awesome.
the girl by the pistol rack is not wearing a bra. i like how Austrian chicks roll. edited to add: after i put my glasses on, that might not be a chick... 
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Posted: 6/18/2010 11:43:49 PM EDT
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Quoted:
yes, very awesome. the girl by the pistol rack is not wearing a bra. i like how Austrian chicks roll. edited to add: after i put my glasses on, that might not be a chick... That was a dude ... an old dude ... and not particularly handsome.
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Posted: 6/19/2010 4:14:28 AM EDT
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Quoted: What was their reasoning behind this? To make them more reliable with full power ammo?Quoted: Rumor has it that glock will not be doing a recall on Gen 4 double recoil springs, but will be offering a voluntary replacement for them with Gen 3 springs. It's also rumored that all future Gen 4's will come with Gen 3 recoil springs. Can you get the details on this, and why Glock has decided to replace them? Thanks. I called Glock in Smyrna about this and was told that this rumor is NOT true. They reiterated that the Gen4 17 is designed for full power 9mm, not the underpowered 9mm target loads you find at Walmart, and as long as you stick to full power or +p 9mm, you should not have any problems. My experience with my Gen4 17 confirms this. I just don't understand why some Gen4 17's seem to work fine with everything, and others, like mine, won't run reliably with cheap target wally world ammo. Personally I don't want something that isn't reliable with both plinking/practice ammo and self defense ammo. |
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Posted: 6/19/2010 4:53:14 AM EDT
[#38]
Thanks for the pictures!
Strangely, the facilities looked just like I imagined they would! |
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Posted: 6/19/2010 5:27:18 AM EDT
[#39]
Great pics! This thread completely wins!
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Posted: 6/19/2010 5:34:21 AM EDT
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When is the release date on gen4 g19?
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Posted: 6/19/2010 8:27:31 AM EDT
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That Gen4 19 looks just right (maybe minus finger groves). Glad I decided to hold off on the Gen3, will most likely be worth the wait.
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Posted: 6/19/2010 8:59:45 AM EDT
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That was really cool. I now need a wet-nap or baby wipe for easy clean-up.
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Posted: 6/19/2010 1:59:14 PM EDT
[#43]
Thread needs more answers!
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Posted: 6/19/2010 2:05:24 PM EDT
[#44]
Quoted:
Here's my proposed list of questions ... you have until approx 0100 EDT to get me any other edits to these, or other, better questions. I am going to try and limit the questions of the type that you guys are asking to no more than five or six ... so all of these may not be addressed. My personal priority is on their contracts, worldwide market penetration, manufacturing techniques, etc. 1) Are the Gen3/G3-RTF frames in danger of being discontinued? 2) Will over-capacity mags ever be available for the G20 and G21? 3) SF G26? 4) Single-Stack 45 larger than the G36? 5) Any plans for other Gen4 guns (26/27)? Estimated date(s)? 6) Will the RTF2 grip texture ever make it's appearance in the Gen4 guns? 7) Will either RTF2 OR Gen4 guns ever be available in OD (or whatever they call that color)? 8) When will Gen4 Glock 22 and 17 magazines be available on their own? 9) Will there ever be a shoulder-fired Glock? 10) Will there ever be factory 22LR conversions? Where are the answers to these questions? |
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Posted: 6/19/2010 3:35:01 PM EDT
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Hey Shaken,
You made it there! I never got around to it. Your pics almost make me miss Austria! I chuckled when I saw the coffee table. (I am totally spoiled on coffee now though_ Cool pics. Thanks for posting. |
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Posted: 6/19/2010 3:51:50 PM EDT
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Why is Gen2 frame referred to as FBi Pistol? Gen2 came out long before FBI adopted Glock.
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Posted: 6/19/2010 5:20:46 PM EDT
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Quoted: Why is Gen2 frame referred to as FBi Pistol? Gen2 came out long before FBI adopted Glock. The GEN2 was made to FBI specs. First the 10mm 20 than the .40 22 and 23. |
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Posted: 6/19/2010 5:39:10 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Why is Gen2 frame referred to as FBi Pistol? Gen2 came out long before FBI adopted Glock. The GEN2 was made to FBI specs. First the 10mm 20 than the .40 22 and 23. Hard to see, since at that time the FBI was still switching over to the 1076. It would be another 8-10 years before they adopted the G22/23, and then on the Gen3 frame, not the Gen2 frame. Hence my question. |
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Posted: 6/19/2010 5:49:27 PM EDT
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Quoted:
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yes, very awesome. the girl by the pistol rack is not wearing a bra. i like how Austrian chicks roll. edited to add: after i put my glasses on, that might not be a chick... That was a dude ... an old dude ... and not particularly handsome. yeah, not my greatest moment. how about the questions? |
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Posted: 6/19/2010 5:52:27 PM EDT
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Quoted: Hard to see, since at that time the FBI was still switching over to the 1076. It would be another 8-10 years before they adopted the G22/23, and then on the Gen3 frame, not the Gen2 frame. Hence my question. I didn't say they adopted it, I said it was built to their specs of a 10mm, later .40 pistol. Glock made them to cater to the FBI. |
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