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Posted: 2/2/2010 8:33:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Hedonist]
Draco pistols arrive with a barrel nut tack welded in place. A few minutes with a Dremil and the nut is easily removed.
REMEMBER the threading is REVERSE - Therefore you turn it the OPPOSITE direction of the way you would think to remove it. Don't try to remove it by tightening it to the point where you strip the threads! The specs on the threading are standard AK specs - 14x1L (L=Left hand threading). ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––- I purchased a Krinkov style muzzle brake. This one has the notch for the detent already in place. It is made by FA Enterprises. Mine came from Midway USA. Was about $25. 465079 (1) $20.99 FA Enterprises Krinkov Muzzle Brake  ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––- Please post your muzzle device, why you selected it, where you got it from, and how much it cost. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 2/2/2010 12:49:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: badfishy]
[#1]
us made krinkov style brake....10 bucks!!!
no detent notch though. 5 seconds with the dremel, then a q-tip with cold blue, and its perfect. http://www.copesdistributing.net/product_info.php?products_id=427 |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 2/2/2010 1:17:35 PM EDT
[#2]
Draco w/FSC47 & Rommy G w/AIMR
Draco w/FSC47 
FSC47 compared to slant brake (not the best pic but you get the idea) 
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Posted: 2/5/2010 4:59:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Marty369]
[#3]
I went the non-traditional route since I'm SBR-ing in a non-traditional way
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US Made part, listed HERE at AIM Surplus. Looks well machined and no grooves, lines, or weird colors but the finish is a little glossier than the FSB. Seems quailty, but then again it's just a muzzle device. The slots run all the way around the device so no worries about the "dead" spot like on a newer AR one not being lined up correctly. I have not shot with it on yet but will soon once my project is complete. 
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Posted: 2/5/2010 6:47:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AJ_Dual]
[#4]
Originally Posted By Hedonist:
Draco pistols arrive with a barrel nut tack welded in place. A few minutes with a Dremil and the nut is easily removed. REMEMBER the threading is REVERSE - Therefore you turn it the OPPOSITE direction of the way you would think to remove it. Don't try to remove it by tightening it to the point where you strip the threads! The specs on the threading are standard AK specs - 14x1L (L=Left hand threading). ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––- I purchased a Krinkov style muzzle brake. This one has the notch for the detent already in place. It is made by FA Enterprises. Mine came from Midway USA. Was about $25. 465079 (1) $20.99 FA Enterprises Krinkov Muzzle Brake http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a213/xmya55/Drako_After002.jpg ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––- Please post your muzzle device, why you selected it, where you got it from, and how much it cost. Thanks for that. I was going to be asking soon about finding a Krink-style one that had the detent slot. Most didn't, and I didn't want to have to mess with a crush washer or loctite. That way changing it out will be easier, should I someday want something else, or go NFA full-retard and get a suppressor. 
Although if someone's got a $10 cheapie that also has the detent, I'll gladly get that one though. 
Although reading the reviews on the Midway FA Krink brake... one reviewer praises it for having a detent, while the next slams it for not having it. Makes me worried FA dropped the detent since so many others don't bother cutting it out, and newer stock won't have them. |
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MS, USA
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Posted: 2/10/2010 2:22:23 PM EDT
[#5]
Which of the muzzle brakes does the best job? Least amount of muzzle rise, felt recoil, big orange fireball, etc?
Thanks tWillis A single conversation with a wise man is better than ten years of study |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 2/10/2010 3:26:09 PM EDT
[#6]
Originally Posted By tWillis:
Which of the muzzle brakes does the best job? Least amount of muzzle rise, felt recoil, big orange fireball, etc? Thanks tWillis A single conversation with a wise man is better than ten years of study A muzzle brake operates by redirecting the gasses in order to reduce recoil and muzzle rise. That generally results in a larger fireball either to the sides and/or above the muzzle. A flash suppressor will reduce the fireball (from the shooter's point of view at least). It will not reduce recoil or muzzle rise. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 2/10/2010 5:59:49 PM EDT
[#7]
Originally Posted By Hizzie:
FSC47 compared to slant brake (not the best pic but you get the idea) http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae322/strangler366/Draco/DSCN1198.jpg How is the performance of the FSC47 ? |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 2/10/2010 7:08:19 PM EDT
[#8]
 I haven't made it to the range yet.
Originally Posted By CaptHowdy:
Originally Posted By Hizzie:
FSC47 compared to slant brake (not the best pic but you get the idea) http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae322/strangler366/Draco/DSCN1198.jpg How is the performance of the FSC47 ? |
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Posted: 2/10/2010 8:26:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bikeman543]
[#9]
What about one of these?
I'm currently looking for a Draco and I'm seriously thinking of going this route. Especially if I go SBR in the future. Works great on my Krink. Bulgy |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 2/18/2010 8:05:48 PM EDT
[#10]
Originally Posted By CaptHowdy:
Originally Posted By Hizzie:
FSC47 compared to slant brake (not the best pic but you get the idea) http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae322/strangler366/Draco/DSCN1198.jpg How is the performance of the FSC47 ? Finally went to the range. I am truly impressed with the FSC47. It replaces my bulgy 4 piece. I'd say it has at least 90% of the bulgy's flash suppression without the occassional belch of flame when unburned powder eventually touches off. As far as recoild control? Simply awsome. The Draco is a handfull with either the slant brake or bulgy 4 piece. Not so with the FSC. The FSC combined with a sling and the Draco is almost as controllable as a rifle. I will be buying a second FSC for my Rommy G. |
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Posted: 2/18/2010 8:46:47 PM EDT
[#11]
I went with the Bulgy 4-piece. Haven't shot it yet...Maybe this weekend.
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KY, USA
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Posted: 2/23/2010 6:15:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JD762]
[#12]
Originally Posted By badfishy:
us made krinkov style brake....10 bucks!!!
http://www.copesdistributing.net/images/HPIM2251.JPG no detent notch though. 5 seconds with the dremel, then a q-tip with cold blue, and its perfect. http://www.copesdistributing.net/product_info.php?products_id=427 What is the length of these? Enough to bring up to 16" so I can go ahead and add a stock until I am approved for the SBR? |
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Posted: 2/23/2010 10:22:57 PM EDT
[#13]
Originally Posted By JD762:
Originally Posted By badfishy:
us made krinkov style brake....10 bucks!!!
http://www.copesdistributing.net/images/HPIM2251.JPG no detent notch though. 5 seconds with the dremel, then a q-tip with cold blue, and its perfect. http://www.copesdistributing.net/product_info.php?products_id=427 What is the length of these? Enough to bring up to 16" so I can go ahead and add a stock until I am approved for the SBR? No, and if it did, you'd have to high-temp silver solder it on to be legal. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 2/24/2010 2:28:43 PM EDT
[#14]
here you go got it before the gun. gun will be in my hands on fri.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 2/24/2010 2:34:28 PM EDT
[#15]
here it is on my lancaster 3060 so you can get an idea.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 2/24/2010 7:14:33 PM EDT
[#16]
Originally Posted By stuch77:
here it is on my lancaster 3060 so you can get an idea.http://i48.tinypic.com/5cin3l.jpg I bought one similar to that from Aim Surplus for about $20. Honestly, I bought it just for the looks, which is a good thing because it didn't help much with the flash. Well, maybe it did on some of the shots, but some of them still threw out quite the fireball! I'm still pretty happy with it though, and YMMV. Mine was a phantom copy, so yours may work better if it's the real thing. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 2/24/2010 8:38:14 PM EDT
[#17]
Originally Posted By grimhollow:
Originally Posted By stuch77:
here it is on my lancaster 3060 so you can get an idea.http://i48.tinypic.com/5cin3l.jpg I bought one similar to that from Aim Surplus for about $20. Honestly, I bought it just for the looks, which is a good thing because it didn't help much with the flash. Well, maybe it did on some of the shots, but some of them still threw out quite the fireball! I'm still pretty happy with it though, and YMMV. Mine was a phantom copy, so yours may work better if it's the real thing. yea mine is the real deal. i bought it for looks i don't care if it works. |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 2/28/2010 11:04:27 PM EDT
[#18]
Originally Posted By tWillis:
Which of the muzzle brakes does the best job? Least amount of muzzle rise, felt recoil, big orange fireball, etc? Thanks tWillis A single conversation with a wise man is better than ten years of study As a guy that has been shooting the AK pistols seese they have first came out all I can tell you is I still don't know it all. Back when ammo was $71.00 for 1K I used to shoot a ton of it through pistols and rifles. The AK pistol with no brake/flash during recoil will move up in front and the back moves up and back. Which in itself isn't bad but affects rapid follow up shots. Have shot a lot with & without brakes. The slant brakes on a semi auto rifle isn't that noticeable but it will help slightly with quick follow up shots if it's a moving target. However with a AK pistol a slant brake (SB) make a significant differences in quicker follow up shots. What occurs when fired with the SB is the gun is more directed striaght back and to the left. How this is important is that the left hand now has the pushing against it instead of tring to grip it as its flying up and away from it. In other words the gun is against stronger muscles that are able to hold it better and stay more on target. I can shoot quicker with the SB however I prefer not to use one. Why you may ask is the blast & flash is greater with nothing on the end. If someone is standing on ethier side the will fell the precussion (like a slight slap on their chess) more. With no SB it is almost as much percussion as a .308 pistol. .308 rd. top AK rd. bottom 
Some of the guys in this thread are using some compensators which I don't have experience with but am trying to learn. What i do know is that some compensator really work well with .50 bmg rd. More pistol porn; 
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Posted: 3/16/2010 11:30:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: scottMO]
[#19]
Keep this thread going please. More input, more pics, etc..
I'm stuck between the fsc47 and the Bulgy 4 piece. Although the simple AR15 A1 style flash hider is growing on me due to it's size, though I suspect that shooting it would not be as fun.. scottMO |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/17/2010 9:09:14 AM EDT
[#20]
I installed the krink brake that is show above and it works great. There is no detent so I used some blue thread locker on it. It throws a neat V shaped flames from the ports in the top but does not mess with the sight picture. I like it so far.
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MN, USA
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Posted: 3/17/2010 12:15:34 PM EDT
[#21]
I have a TROMIX Shark Brake...
Because WHY THE FUCK NOT?!?!?!?!?! 
I also have the Krinkov style brake, which I will be loctiting (word?) onto it, the Tromix brake has to vents on the top but when the brake is secured all the way to the end of the threads, the vents point downward, with all the recoil already and the vents pointing downward that would mean I'm trying to launch a spaceship, I wish they had a washer for that beast to space it out far enough for the vents to point upward |
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Posted: 3/17/2010 6:14:59 PM EDT
[#22]
Originally Posted By scottMO:
I'm stuck between the fsc47 and the Bulgy 4 piece. Although the simple AR15 A1 style flash hider is growing on me due to it's size, though I suspect that shooting it would not be as fun.. scottMO Anyone have a fsc47 and Bulgy 4 piece that they could show side by side for size comparison? Or pics of each on the Draco from the same distance/angle (or any AK) would be great too. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 3/21/2010 2:20:42 AM EDT
[#23]
please help I need the link to the 5.75 inch device, I wanted to SBR but already have an AR15 going through and was thinking of brining mine to 16.whatever and goimng with an ace stock.. thanks guys my barrel measures 11.75 not teh 12 inches some have
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OH, USA
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Posted: 3/21/2010 3:38:20 PM EDT
[#24]
Originally Posted By scottMO:
Originally Posted By scottMO:
I'm stuck between the fsc47 and the Bulgy 4 piece. Although the simple AR15 A1 style flash hider is growing on me due to it's size, though I suspect that shooting it would not be as fun.. scottMO Anyone have a fsc47 and Bulgy 4 piece that they could show side by side for size comparison? Or pics of each on the Draco from the same distance/angle (or any AK) would be great too. I don't have any side by side pics. But here are close-ups of each. I didn't think the FSC could be all it was cracked up to be. $$ back if you don't like it so I tried it. I can now say that it would be my go-to muzzle brake for any rifle. Well worth the $$$. SPECS 4-Piece OAL 3-1/4" Dia. 1-3/8" # 8.0oz FSC47 OAL 2.1" Dia. .865" # 2.0oz
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Posted: 3/21/2010 4:04:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: scottMO]
[#25]
Originally Posted By Hizzie:
Originally Posted By scottMO:
Originally Posted By scottMO:
I'm stuck between the fsc47 and the Bulgy 4 piece. Although the simple AR15 A1 style flash hider is growing on me due to it's size, though I suspect that shooting it would not be as fun.. scottMO Anyone have a fsc47 and Bulgy 4 piece that they could show side by side for size comparison? Or pics of each on the Draco from the same distance/angle (or any AK) would be great too. I don't have any side by side pics. But here are close-ups of each. I didn't think the FSC could be all it was cracked up to be. $$ back if you don't like it so I tried it. I can now say that it would be my go-to muzzle brake for any rifle. Well worth the $$$. SPECS 4-Piece OAL 3-1/4" Dia. 1-3/8" # 8.0oz FSC47 OAL 2.1" Dia. .865" # 2.0oz http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae322/strangler366/Draco/DSCN1198.jpg http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae322/strangler366/DSCN0571.jpg http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae322/strangler366/DSCN0575.jpg Many thanks on the pics and especially the specs on each brake! Do you suppose a black "o-ring" would fit/function as good as the red delrin ring?? |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 3/21/2010 4:46:45 PM EDT
[#26]
Originally Posted By scottMO:
Originally Posted By Hizzie:
Originally Posted By scottMO:
Originally Posted By scottMO:
I'm stuck between the fsc47 and the Bulgy 4 piece. Although the simple AR15 A1 style flash hider is growing on me due to it's size, though I suspect that shooting it would not be as fun.. scottMO Anyone have a fsc47 and Bulgy 4 piece that they could show side by side for size comparison? Or pics of each on the Draco from the same distance/angle (or any AK) would be great too. I don't have any side by side pics. But here are close-ups of each. I didn't think the FSC could be all it was cracked up to be. $$ back if you don't like it so I tried it. I can now say that it would be my go-to muzzle brake for any rifle. Well worth the $$$. SPECS 4-Piece OAL 3-1/4" Dia. 1-3/8" # 8.0oz FSC47 OAL 2.1" Dia. .865" # 2.0oz http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae322/strangler366/Draco/DSCN1198.jpg http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae322/strangler366/DSCN0571.jpg http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae322/strangler366/DSCN0575.jpg Many thanks on the pics and especially the specs on each brake! Do you suppose a black "o-ring" would fit/function as good as the red delrin ring?? No I don't think it would. PWS uses a material that is made for this high heat application. I think that unless you can find an O'ring designed to take high heat you will just melt the little SOB and make a mess. |
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Posted: 3/21/2010 4:51:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: scottMO]
[#27]
Hmm, I know it's minor, but is there any way to paint/dye the red ring? I'm just not feeling the red...
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OH, USA
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Posted: 3/22/2010 8:08:50 PM EDT
[#28]
Originally Posted By scottMO:
Hmm, I know it's minor, but is there any way to paint/dye the red ring? I'm just not feeling the red... You could always try a Sharpie permanent marker. |
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Posted: 3/24/2010 8:37:41 PM EDT
[#29]
Originally Posted By Hedonist:
Draco pistols arrive with a barrel nut tack welded in place. A few minutes with a Dremil and the nut is easily removed. REMEMBER the threading is REVERSE - Therefore you turn it the OPPOSITE direction of the way you would think to remove it. Don't try to remove it by tightening it to the point where you strip the threads! The specs on the threading are standard AK specs - 14x1L (L=Left hand threading). ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––- I purchased a Krinkov style muzzle brake. This one has the notch for the detent already in place. It is made by FA Enterprises. Mine came from Midway USA. Was about $25. 465079 (1) $20.99 FA Enterprises Krinkov Muzzle Brake http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a213/xmya55/Drako_After002.jpg ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––- Please post your muzzle device, why you selected it, where you got it from, and how much it cost. Thanks for starting this thread. Unlike everyone else it seems I am late to the Draco. I had a dream about SBR'ing one after we got a few in the store. I decided it had to have the Krink flash suppressor too.I ordered from Midway but it's out of stock and backordered. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2010 9:20:23 PM EDT
[#30]
Is there a general consensus one way or the other between a slant break and the FA Enterprises Krinkov? fNs |
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Posted: 6/30/2010 10:59:44 PM EDT
[#31]
I picked up a FSC47 and like the looks of it better than the 4 piece. I think it shoots just as good, w/out the "push" that the 4 piece seems to have to it..
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Posted: 7/1/2010 9:03:32 PM EDT
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LA, USA
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Posted: 8/1/2010 11:33:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Hunter_of_Gunmen]
[#33]
i have a vulcan arms model 47, with fake suppressor and i am looking to replace it with a muzzle break.. either
465079 (1) $20.99 FA Enterprises Krinkov Muzzle Brake or 4 piece bulgy.. where can i get these pieces at? before i install, anything, i want the parts and once my paperwork is complete i will install or hire someone to do it for me |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 8/13/2010 4:14:24 PM EDT
[#34]
Has anyone tried the Smith Vortex on their Draco? I have a few for my other AR's and they seem to work pretty well. Midway has them for about $80, I think- which is a lot more than the other breaks. Thanks for the input.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/7/2010 1:36:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Dferg10]
[#35]
I used a dremmel to remove the nut and either use just a nut or this that i bought on-line from Cheaper than Dirt for $16:
My main concern is that I do not add too much extra length to my Draco because it is only about 4 to 5 inches shorter than my 56S-1 UF to begin with... |
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Posted: 10/7/2010 6:06:05 PM EDT
[#36]
Does the Krink style break work well or is it just for looks? What about the RPK style? I'm more concerned with flash suppression than recoil reduction, what would be the best option?
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OH, USA
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Posted: 10/8/2010 4:25:33 PM EDT
[#37]
Originally Posted By gunnut284:
Does the Krink style break work well or is it just for looks? What about the RPK style? I'm more concerned with flash suppression than recoil reduction, what would be the best option? The bulgarian 4 Piece FH works very well. It is also long and very heavy and throws the balance of the Draco off quite a bit. If flash suppression is your priority then the Smith Enterprises Vortex is "A #1" it is also cheaper than the FSC47 or Bulgy 4 piece. |
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Posted: 10/14/2010 6:10:35 PM EDT
[#38]
Originally Posted By gunnut284:
Does the Krink style break work well or is it just for looks? What about the RPK style? I'm more concerned with flash suppression than recoil reduction, what would be the best option? I have a U.S. made krink brake, and it does not hide the flash. Big fireballs out the front, and the 2 compensating holes send "V" shaped flames out of the top. Looks like the fire-breathing dragon that it is! I've tried a "phantom" style FH and it helped a lot, but I'd still get a few fireballs every few shots. The slant brake was the worst, it sent the flames straight up in my line of sight. I usually don't mind flash, but this was distracting. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 10/16/2010 4:18:57 PM EDT
[#39]
Originally Posted By SHONUFF:
Originally Posted By gunnut284:
Does the Krink style break work well or is it just for looks? What about the RPK style? I'm more concerned with flash suppression than recoil reduction, what would be the best option? I have a U.S. made krink brake, and it does not hide the flash. Big fireballs out the front, and the 2 compensating holes send "V" shaped flames out of the top. Looks like the fire-breathing dragon that it is! I've tried a "phantom" style FH and it helped a lot, but I'd still get a few fireballs every few shots. The slant brake was the worst, it sent the flames straight up in my line of sight. I usually don't mind flash, but this was distracting. Sound like you have a "krink style" brake with the inverted cone. The real ones don't have holes to compensate. They are muzzle boosters to increase gas pressure. The bulgy 4 piece is built like a single chamber sound suppressor (look for schematics of suppressors and you'll see what I mean) but hides alot of flash. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/29/2010 9:29:28 PM EDT
[#40]
Im using this on my ak pistol
went to an indoor range today, no flash seen by me at all, only 2 times saw sparks. My dad off behind me said he only saw sparks 1 time, no fire. I ended up having a brass shell break off in barrel so I didnt have a chance to try with it off, but my G21 pistol was throwing a huge flame out of the barrel so it was dark enough in the range. So I cant say 100% that it works without trying with no muzzle tip, since ive never shot an ak indoors I cant say how much mine throws out flames. Anyways it was like $14 so its a good price, and not too long. Of course it should be tested at night, but that wont happen for me. |
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Posted: 1/3/2011 2:23:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TexasRifleman1985]
[#41]
Nevermind.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/8/2011 1:02:18 AM EDT
[#42]
Originally Posted By Hizzie:
The bulgy 4 piece is built like a single chamber sound suppressor (look for schematics of suppressors and you'll see what I mean) but hides alot of flash. Does it reduce the sound? |
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Posted: 1/8/2011 1:51:41 AM EDT
[#43]
Originally Posted By Macadore:
Originally Posted By Hizzie:
The bulgy 4 piece is built like a single chamber sound suppressor (look for schematics of suppressors and you'll see what I mean) but hides alot of flash. Does it reduce the sound? Not according to the BATFE. I've noticed on AR's with the Noveske hog, though, that the sound behind the muzzle doesn't seem as bad. TR85. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/20/2011 8:07:35 PM EDT
[#44]
I'm really curious about the bulgy 4 piece. If it holds back pressure on the barrel, won't that slow down the bullet? Will the pressure cause the action to cycle more violently and cause undue wear? Should one use a buffer with the bulgy 4 piece to prevent abnormal wear?
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OH, USA
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Posted: 1/23/2011 3:48:00 PM EDT
[#45]
Originally Posted By Macadore:
I'm really curious about the bulgy 4 piece. If it holds back pressure on the barrel, won't that slow down the bullet? The increase in pressure is caused by the expanding gasses trapped behind the bullet as it exits the barrel and enters the muzzle device. Will the pressure cause the action to cycle more violently Yes, that is the whole point of a muzzle booster. and cause undue wear? If it is used on a gun that already has enough gas pressure then yes the extra oomph will batterer the gun. FYI the AK is already over-gassed to begin with. Should one use a buffer with the bulgy 4 piece to prevent abnormal wear? Buffer is a bandaid and can only help so much. Even monster trucks suffer frame damage when they take too big of a jump. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/23/2011 9:20:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Macadore]
[#46]
Thanks Hizzie.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/30/2011 9:05:27 AM EDT
[#47]
Slant brake, lots of flash but it does help keep the muzzle down. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/9/2011 9:46:05 PM EDT
[#48]
And now for something completley different
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XTGBART&name=Bart+Brake+for+AK+rifles+w%2f+14mm+Left+hand+threads&groupid=64 
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Posted: 10/26/2013 2:12:42 AM EDT
[#49]
Bump. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 10/29/2013 3:52:29 PM EDT
[#50]
I've used the Phantom but it added too much length for the Draco. I use them on my other AK's though. I prefer for Manitore Arms Nightbrake. Works very well and it's very short. If the SLR had been out when I got the Nightbrake I might have gotten one of those instead. I may still get one to play with.
Nightbrake 
SLR Rifleworks 
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