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Posted: 4/22/2005 4:30:47 AM EDT
Decided to do a little review of how the new Armory USA 1mm receiver stacks up to its two competitors. DrugRunR has also done up a few great reviews located here:
Armory USA 1mm verses Eubanks Manufacturing DC Industries Yugo/RPK type review. 7.62mm Armory USA (Global) 1mm, price direct from manufacture $59.99 7.62mm ITM Arms (OOW), price direct from manufacture $59.95 7.62mm Vulcan Arms, price direct from manufacture $49.95 Vulcan is nolonger manufacturing these. Eubanks (JoeKen) is the currently manufacturing a slightly improved version. Armory USA 1mm The following few pics show a Armory USA 1mm receiver next to a Romanian receiver. Notice they share the same external deminsions. Also notice how similar the Armory dimples are compared to the Romanian. Been lots of talk about dimples not looking right, they look preaty damn good to me. Note, in the pic of the rear sections it looks like the Armory is shorter, its not, the Romanian still has a trunion installed which makes it higher the way they are sitting. In the last pic notice the rail position of the Armory compared to the Romanian, its right on the money. Everything about the Armory receiver is right on the money when compared to the Romanian. hammer and trigger pin holes, selector hole, mag well, ejector, rails, trigger gaurd holes, receiver shell thickness (1mm), Completly heat treated, you name it, its correct. The only things one could say negative about the Armory receiver (these are so minor its funny) are: The dimple shape, which basically boils down to personal preference but as you can see, they are extreamly close to the Romanian dimples. The hammer/trigger pin holes and selector holes have some minor burs. Less than 30sec of work with a countersink bit gets em cleaned right up. Trigger hole is slotted for a double hook FCG. Again, this is a personal preference. Does make it nice for builders wanting to use a double hook FCG. Lack of the trigger bumps. Armory gets a big thumbs up from me on this reciever. It is without a doubt the best US manufactured receiver on the market. ITM Arms The ITM Arms receiver is a animal all in its own. To make a long story short, its packed full of flaws. For a long time this was our best option but that has changed now. Notice in the first pic below, how much longer the ITM is verses the Armory. This extra metal needs to be trimmed off when building. In the next pic you will notice the lack of a selector hole recess on the ITM. In the next two pics you will notice the selector hole in the ITM is drilled to low, this is where the "selector gap" comes from. The next two pics down show the hammer pin hole in the ITM drilled to high, this is where many of the cycling problems come from. Also note in these pice the ITM is only spot heat treated not completly like the Armory and true mil-spec receivers. The next pic down shows the ITM rails installed to far rearward, this leaves a nice big gap between the rails and trunion. Also notice in the same pic how far back the ejector sits, this might be the culprit behind those rare ejection problems. The last pic in this series shows the Armory receiver next to the ITM. Look real close at the distances from the trigger holes to the mag wells. I beleive this is where thier length problem comes from. Another issue worth mentioning, The ITm receiver is approx 1.2mm thick. This makes for more fitting issues with the trunions and requires most selector stops to be milled down for proper mag fit to the rails, especially with the 5.45mm receiver. All in all, even with its flaws these receivers still make fine weapons but they do require more build time due to fitting issues and additonal tuning may be required to make the rifle function 100%. Vulcan Arms The Vulcan receivers share many of the problems the ITM's have. Notice in the first pic the Vulcan's extra length. The next pic shows the Vulcan rail position to far rearward, not quite as bad as the ITM but still not correct. The next pic down shows a view of the bottom of the two receivers. Notice distances from the trigger hole to the mag well on both receivers, like the ITM the Vulcan is to long in this area. Also notice the two pin holes (bending jig) in the Vulcan, one front and one rear. These will need to be filled or should be anyway when building. The next pic shows the two side by side. Notice the Vulcan has the rivet holes predrilled. Not all kits share the same rivet position so this is a big minus. Another big down fall of the Vulcan is the lack of any heat treating. Like the ITM these do make fine weapons however it is not up to par with the Armory by any means. Vulcan is no longer manufacturing these receiver. Eubanks (JoeKen) has bought there equipment and is now making a slightly improved version. The new Eubanks receiver will not have the rivet holes predrilled but other than that its the same as the Vulcan. I would like to get my hands on one to have a look at however. All in all, the Armory USA 1mm receiver is unmatched currently. Just my opinion, I could be wrong. EDIT: A 5.45mm reveiw will turn out the same. Only difference is the 5.45mm ITM does not have the selector hole location issue. All other ITM issues are present. |
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Damn good info. Thanks for doing this.
I still have one question (directed at no one in particular). Why the hell does Armory make a good receiver only to screw it up with writing all over the sides? Screw the logo, just put the minimum legal markings on the BOTTOM & leave it at that. |
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The logo is on the bottom. |
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I noticed that none of the US made receivers have the reinforced stamping on the trigger pin hole, I guess this has something to do with the US receivers being made from thicker sheet meal, but I still would've preferred they do everything "correctly".
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jnewt,
please help my frail old eyes.... the Armory receiverdoes have the crows feet doesn't it? |
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Great side-by-side comparison Josh! So it was a right choice after all for my AK74 sidefolder build
..."Are we there yet?" ..."Are we there yet?" ...Just kidding, a little humor for Friday morning |
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Yep, its got em |
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Stupid question - What are you guys referring to? |
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The X, Y axis marks on the left side. |
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Thanks Josh, very informative. Now if I can only find that one special kit!!!!!!:)
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I have read alot of complaints about the writing and serial numbers on the side of the receivers, rather than on the bottom......If I am not mistaken, that is a federal manufacturing requirement. Someone with a license correct me if I'm wrong....
And, I agree on the receiver....best thus far.... |
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Excellent review Josh. I know what I will be using on all my future builds. It's just too bad that ITM wasn't producing these receivers rather than Armory. I hope they get their act together.
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I think this is just something people are gona have to live with. The text on the Armory is way less noticable than the logo on the ITM. Hell, most every rifle has text on the side of the receiver, Romanian, Yugo's, FEG's they all have some type of text or logo. As far as I know the receiver info can be anywhere visable. Not 100% sure on that. |
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If Armory/Global would fix their gay ass dimple, they would be good to go.
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That, plus the double hook trigger cut. Since they said before a single hook trigger cut would be impossible but its possible on the other two receivers. Which has been mentioned above already. |
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They only said its not possible with the dies they currently have. I'm sure if someone wanted to fund 2 pairs of new single hook dies to be made...... I don't see anyone putting forward the cash to make that happen, just be satisfied with what's available. |
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All import AKs I've seen have the serial number on the trunnion. |
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im happy with the double hook design
almost every fcg i have is a double hook they are smoother with less creep and a rifles seem to cycle better with them |
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thanks josh, what will be the going price for Armory receivers for buiding up a kit?
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Thank you Josh, this has been needed for a while.
Pinned for everyone to reference. |
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Interesting comparison:
www.warrifles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9370 Looks like Armory has a winner, the pros seem to agree! |
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Sure is, guess why she is out of the box |
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Wow. Damn nice! |
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jnewt, any chance you will be stocking these 1mm Armory receivers like you did with the OOW receivers?
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good review.
I reviewed the Global Trades/Armory USA and the Eubanks over a month ago HERE ON GUNCO Also, the price on the GT/Armory receiver drops to only $45 each if you buy 23 or more of them. I know because I bought 27 of them. Here is a picture of some of them. |
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Wow thats a lot of receivers
I'll have to agree with jnewt, the dimples don't look so obviously "different" on a finished AK. I do notice that the X and Y indents are not so pronounced on the GT / Armory receivers when compared to say a SAR-1. but I guess they are better than no X or Y indents at all ( OOW ). If you look at close-up pictures of AKM / AK74 receiver production over the years, there have been a lot of slight variations in dimples, X & Y stampings, etc. Even among Russian produced AKM's. Example: in Masami Tokoi's AK book, compare the dimples on the 1976 Ishevsk AKM to the 1977 Tula AKMS, Pages 18 thru 21. |
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Any chance you'd be interested in selling one or two of those? |
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I need your address because I know where my ass is coming if the shit hits the fan...lol... |
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Great review. I guess I will be buying a few of these Global receivers. I knew I had to do something after trying to fit a RSA retainer into an OOW. I'm still pissed and it's been about 3 months!! I kind of figured it was an out of spec POS.
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Good review ,, myself i have built on a few OOW's and 1 Global.. now where is your review of the FiringLines Milled reciever..?? Some of us can afford them and the one i did was excellent even though alot of work...
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jnewt,
Do you have any experience with the Yugo M70 pattern receivers from Greenlight Arms and DCI? |
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I dont yet but DrugRunR does. Shoot him an IM. |
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You got some money?? There is only one US manufacturer of a Milled AK receiver. That is Firing Line. They start out at $350 each. Hell I could buy ALOT of stamped receivers. There are already plenty of built guns built on them. The main reason these reviews were done was to compare known receivers with the NEW ones that were coming onto the market. |
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Whoa, didn't realize they were that expensive, and here to think I almost bought a milled kit! |
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I just got 2 of the Armory 1mm 7.62 parkerized receivers and they are VERY nice. I Couldn't be happier.
one of them I will be filing the form 1 to do a SBR Yugo Krinkov rifle. |
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Does the greenlight receiver use a double hook trigger or single? |
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dimples no dimples. hummm . all that stuff looks awesome to me.
who's the man that can put all this stuff together?? a reliable ak gunsmith? thanks |
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Send an email to the guy (jnewt) who started this thread and did the review or visit his website at www.newtonfirearms.com |
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