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Posted: 5/14/2005 8:22:47 AM EDT
I read through the New and updated mag pic thread   but I would still like to know how to identify the country of origin by the markings (or lack of) on the steel 30 rounders.  Is there a chart some where that explains what the markings are?

I recently purchased some steel Bulgarian 30 rounders and they are exceptional in finish and quality to my Romanian 30 rounders but they do now have a signal mark on them.  By comparision my Romain mags have 3 to 4 letters stamped on them and my 20 round Hugarian mag has a M (or W) in a circle on the back spine of the mag.  

So, how are we to determine what the markings mean and how each country/manufacture marks their mags?
Link Posted: 5/14/2005 1:33:27 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/14/2005 3:23:42 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/15/2005 10:54:42 PM EDT
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tag
Link Posted: 5/18/2005 9:43:05 PM EDT
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Dayum!!!

 Nice post, I can't really tell the difference in mags (other than feedlip/ upper mag photo) and the sheen or paint quality.  I've never had an issue with AK 30rndrs (unlike the beloved AR line), so I never even thought about them all that much.  Is one better than the other, or simply subjective?  The last time I bought any of these was about 3 years ago, and they all appear to be Hungarian.  I picked them up at a show (last  day believe it or not) 10 for $50 from this Asian guy.  I was beyond psyched

this thread reminds me that I need a Chinese drum.....  
Link Posted: 5/24/2005 11:24:54 PM EDT
[#5]
cool thanks! that just helped me identify a mag (polish ) that i found in the desert looked like it had been there for a while, we had some serious rain recent and prob helped uncover to where i just saw a mag shaped outline in the dirt. little cleaning.. ok alot of cleaning and paint and it almost looks brand new
Link Posted: 5/24/2005 11:57:02 PM EDT
[#6]
Thanks, great post.

I just found that I have 5 Russian 30 rouders.
Link Posted: 6/22/2005 7:49:50 AM EDT
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bump BTT Should be pinned!
Link Posted: 6/22/2005 8:01:39 AM EDT
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tag
Link Posted: 7/2/2005 9:38:50 AM EDT
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Quoted:
bump BTT Should be pinned!



With the traffic through the magazine forum, you could bump it once every two months and it would stay at the top forever.
Link Posted: 7/2/2005 1:14:53 PM EDT
[#10]
How about one to identify the 40 round mags please
Link Posted: 7/2/2005 1:19:20 PM EDT
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holy hell if the spot welds on the lips and mag catch lips mean russian I got a russian 40rder!
Link Posted: 7/3/2005 4:38:04 PM EDT
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holy hell if the spot welds on the lips and mag catch lips mean russian I got a russian 40rder!



I have only seen those type of spot welds on Russian made mags.  Of course there could be more out there I have not seen.
Link Posted: 7/5/2005 8:49:35 AM EDT
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holy hell if the spot welds on the lips and mag catch lips mean russian I got a russian 40rder!




Me too!!
Link Posted: 7/11/2005 11:10:25 AM EDT
[#14]
The thirty rounder's hold 30 rnds..
Now the forty rounder's hold 40 rnds that's how you can identify em..Duh
I just had to do that!!
Link Posted: 7/15/2005 8:12:38 PM EDT
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Just pick them up out of sand bang the sand out on your boot then rock and roll
Link Posted: 7/15/2005 8:14:13 PM EDT
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Quoted:
Just pick them up out of sand bang the sand out on your boot then rock and roll



???????????????????
Link Posted: 7/17/2005 7:33:34 AM EDT
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Quoted:

Quoted:
Just pick them up out of sand bang the sand out on your boot then rock and roll



???????????????????



It probablt made sense to him when he wrote it.
Link Posted: 8/9/2005 11:02:55 PM EDT
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my Hugarian mag has a M (or W) in a circle  plus a 02 on the back spine of the mag and are blue finnish. now.  I also have a mag with a  k in a circle and is painted black.

Link Posted: 9/2/2005 5:30:46 AM EDT
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Added punctuation for him.
He's referring to the guy who said he found one in the sand.
BTT for this excellent thread.


Quoted:

Quoted:
Just pick them up out of sand, bang the sand out on your boot, then rock and roll



???????????????????

Link Posted: 9/2/2005 9:12:30 AM EDT
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The original mag photos are larger and show some more detail.  I used smaller photos when I put them on gunsnet a couple of years ago to make downloads quicker.

If anyone wants copies of the originals, please send me an IM and I'll email them to you.  
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 8:52:43 AM EDT
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Great pictures, Mike.  I've used your recognition guide over at Gunsnet many times. Thank you.

Could someone with a confirmed Romanian 30-rounder take similar pictures of the same details, please?  





Link Posted: 9/6/2005 9:19:41 PM EDT
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Well, it looks like I have a pile of steel Russian 30's and a Russian 40 based on these pics. I thought the Russian mags were supposed to be difficult to locate? I can't even remeber when or where I get most of these mags.

TD
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 2:48:11 PM EDT
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Can anyone tell me the origins of this mag it only has 2 ribs on the bottom and they dont come around the back but has spot rivets.  Any ideas?







Link Posted: 9/28/2005 8:03:51 PM EDT
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bump
Link Posted: 9/28/2005 8:08:49 PM EDT
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Quoted:
Can anyone tell me the origins of this mag it only has 2 ribs on the bottom and they dont come around the back but has spot rivets.  Any ideas?


www.drzero.org/temp/ar15/ak_1.jpg
www.drzero.org/temp/ar15/ak_2.jpg
www.drzero.org/temp/ar15/ak_3.jpg
www.drzero.org/temp/ar15/ak_4.jpg
www.drzero.org/temp/ar15/ak_5.jpg
www.drzero.org/temp/ar15/ak_6.jpg



Given current information......that is Russian
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 5:05:03 AM EDT
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Quoted:
Can anyone tell me the origins of this mag it only has 2 ribs on the bottom and they dont come around the back but has spot rivets.  Any ideas?...



That's a ChiCom mag that's had it's original follower replaced with an American FSE plastic follower.  I've got one identical to it (on the left):



Link Posted: 9/29/2005 3:27:32 PM EDT
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Thanks for that! I have some other chicom but they are the poly ones so I was not sure.

Yep you got the FSE follower also I have the original and the base plate I had to pull them for compliance issues.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 11:55:40 PM EDT
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tag
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 7:27:28 PM EDT
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so how do you tell the difference between a Romanian and a Polish 30?
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 4:41:36 PM EDT
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I picked up an old chinese stamped sideplates AK mag for 7 bucks last gun show, it's beat up a bit but still 100% completely functional.

What are those mags worth? That is the first I have ever seen in person. I figured that it might be rare so I picked it up.
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 11:10:58 PM EDT
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Quoted:
I picked up an old chinese stamped sideplates AK mag for 7 bucks last gun show, it's beat up a bit but still 100% completely functional.

What are those mags worth? That is the first I have ever seen in person. I figured that it might be rare so I picked it up.



Its worth maybe $10.
Link Posted: 10/19/2005 7:25:30 PM EDT
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Quoted:

Quoted:
Can anyone tell me the origins of this mag it only has 2 ribs on the bottom and they dont come around the back but has spot rivets.  Any ideas?...



That's a ChiCom mag that's had it's original follower replaced with an American FSE plastic follower.  I've got one identical to it (on the left):

www.fototime.com/9675D0F5D403982/orig.jpg




Richard-ar15,

What make is the magazine on the right? I have a couple that look exactly like that.
Link Posted: 10/19/2005 9:53:11 PM EDT
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mic214, they're both Chinese.
Link Posted: 10/20/2005 2:21:30 PM EDT
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Kami211,

OK, I didn't know as they have no marking anyhere on them. They seem to be pretty well made compared to the ones I have for my Norico .223 AK.

Thanks,

Mic
Link Posted: 10/20/2005 5:18:18 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/21/2005 4:15:15 AM EDT
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Quoted:
Richard-ar15,

What make is the magazine on the right? I have a couple that look exactly like that.



Both are ChiCom, as kami said.

I took the picture to illustrate the differences in construction.  AK mag bodies consist of two halves spotwelded together.  The Chinese used two different techniques.

The back side on the left mag has the halves meeting in a "spine".  On the right. one side is folded over the other.
Link Posted: 10/21/2005 6:05:50 AM EDT
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Quoted:
If we could get together some hard info about proof marks, I'd tack this thread.

Based on what I am looking at, I think I just scored a Russian 40rd mag in VG+ condition for $8.

On the back rib, it has a '22' in a diamond and what looks to be the Molot star in a shield.



From what I know Russian mags look a lot like Romanians...
Link Posted: 10/21/2005 6:33:43 AM EDT
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Quoted:
If we could get together some hard info about proof marks, I'd tack this thread.

Based on what I am looking at, I think I just scored a Russian 40rd mag in VG+ condition for $8.

On the back rib, it has a '22' in a diamond and what looks to be the Molot star in a shield.



The Molot star doesn't lie.  You got a great buy.
Link Posted: 10/21/2005 3:42:42 PM EDT
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Quoted:

Quoted:
Richard-ar15,

What make is the magazine on the right? I have a couple that look exactly like that.



Both are ChiCom, as kami said.

I took the picture to illustrate the differences in construction.  AK mag bodies consist of two halves spotwelded together.  The Chinese used two different techniques.

The back side on the left mag has the halves meeting in a "spine".  On the right. one side is folded over the other.



So what are they type I have worth now a days? They appear to be new and in great shape.
Link Posted: 10/21/2005 5:54:05 PM EDT
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if they're used but like new i'd pay $10 max for them.  a couple dollars more if they're new still in the grease.
Link Posted: 10/30/2005 6:34:47 PM EDT
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<removed, had links to now non-existent pics>
Link Posted: 12/2/2005 4:27:50 AM EDT
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Yep I have seen the Chinese European knock offs before, Chinese will make a copy of anything, if you'll buy it!
Link Posted: 12/2/2005 4:46:49 AM EDT
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Quoted:
Found a new variation (new to me anyhow) of a Chinese mag.  Pic of the mag is on the left, it's ribbed, was wrapped in plastic with gobs and gobs of cosmoline and had a little label that said made in China....



New to me, also.  Nice find.  Does it have any discernable stamps on it?
Link Posted: 12/2/2005 6:06:49 PM EDT
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Quoted:

Quoted:
Found a new variation (new to me anyhow) of a Chinese mag.  Pic of the mag is on the left, it's ribbed, was wrapped in plastic with gobs and gobs of cosmoline and had a little label that said made in China....



New to me, also.  Nice find.  Does it have any discernable stamps on it?



Yep, added pics to original post, has a triangle with 66 in it by the rib on back, weird.  never seen any other chinese mag like this
Link Posted: 12/3/2005 3:27:25 AM EDT
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"66" means made by Norinco (North China Industries).  Nice.



Link Posted: 12/5/2005 5:55:17 PM EDT
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Quoted:
If we could get together some hard info about proof marks



http://762x39.net/AKmakers.htm
Link Posted: 12/6/2005 5:47:48 PM EDT
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Ok, experts.  Here's one for ya.  I've done some research, but can't find a good answer to this one.  I've got a ribbed AK magazine that has a completely flat floorplate on it.  Stamped on the floorplate is a C inside of a circle.  The follower also has this stamped on it.  Where's it from, and why is the floorplate flat?  Any ideas?

-GreatWarAZ
Link Posted: 12/6/2005 6:10:50 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/6/2005 8:05:37 PM EDT
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Unless I'm missing something, that isn't a circle around the C for the East German markings...they're little lines/dots/dashes, unless the picture is wrong or something.  The marking on my magazine is a solid circle around a C.  And, it also doesn't account for why the floorplate is entirely flat, unlike every other one I own.

-GreatWarAZ
Link Posted: 12/7/2005 3:11:54 AM EDT
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Quoted:
Ok, experts.  Here's one for ya.  I've done some research, but can't find a good answer to this one.  I've got a ribbed AK magazine that has a completely flat floorplate on it.  Stamped on the floorplate is a C inside of a circle.  The follower also has this stamped on it.  Where's it from, and why is the floorplate flat?  Any ideas?

-GreatWarAZ



You've got the standard mag that Century International arms ships with their AK's.

It's a foreign (alway Romanian, as far as I know) body and spring with Century's own U.S.-made floorplate and follower added to make 2 compliance parts for the purposes of 922r.  "C" is Century's mark. The floorplates are flat (similar to "slabsided" mags) because it's cheaper to stamp them out that way instead of with the proper contours.

They also sell these separate from the rifles, so you'll see them for sale at gunshows.
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