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Posted: 5/11/2010 8:56:03 AM EDT
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My Primary Arms 1-4X 24 Illuminated Scope arrived yesterday and to my surprise it looks just like the Millet PMS-1 I have. Even the spare battery and the cheap lens caps are the same. The only difference is the reticle, millet has a donut & dot and Primary Arms is a typical cross hair. Does anybody know if they from the same manufacturer? I suppose anything is possible, but I doubt either PA or Millet will disclose proprietary information. Do a side-by-side comparo for us, with pics, please. 
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Posted: 5/11/2010 10:19:39 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/11/2010 7:46:57 PM EDT
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I have the Millet and my range partner has the Primary Arms. They are 100% identicle except for the reticle. No doubt the same scope made in the same factory. Huge difference in price. I wish I had bought the Primary Arms and saved the $$$.
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Posted: 5/11/2010 10:36:11 PM EDT
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Huh. Interesting. Thanks for the pics.
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Posted: 5/12/2010 3:30:35 AM EDT
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Looks like they were made at the same factory. How do you like the PA scope? I'm in the market for a variable low power scope. Trying to narrow my choices down between Pentax, Swift, Konus, Bushnell, and Burris. The price of the PA scope w/basic mount is very appealing at $150.
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Posted: 5/12/2010 4:05:25 AM EDT
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I thought that it was decided that the PA was made on the same scope body quite a while ago?
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Looks like they were made at the same factory. How do you like the PA scope? I'm in the market for a variable low power scope. Trying to narrow my choices down between Pentax, Swift, Konus, Bushnell, and Burris. The price of the PA scope w/basic mount is very appealing at $150. You neglected to mention the Leatherwood CMR and the Vortex Viper PST. Just thought I'd add some more confusion to your decision. 
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Posted: 5/12/2010 4:13:26 AM EDT
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Quoted: I thought that it was decided that the PA was made on the same scope body quite a while ago? Quoted: Looks like they were made at the same factory. How do you like the PA scope? I'm in the market for a variable low power scope. Trying to narrow my choices down between Pentax, Swift, Konus, Bushnell, and Burris. The price of the PA scope w/basic mount is very appealing at $150. You neglected to mention the Leatherwood CMR and the Vortex Viper PST. Just thought I'd add some more confusion to your decision. I forgot about Vortex. Have to check out the Leatherwood too.  |
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Posted: 5/12/2010 5:06:19 AM EDT
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Sort of off topic, but the leatherwood has very short eye relief and is difficult to mount on an AR. IF you look the leatherwood web page, they show it mounted with one ring on the receiver, and one out on the free float tube. Weird, and not even an option for those w/o a FFT.
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Posted: 5/12/2010 5:18:47 AM EDT
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The Millett DMS shown in the above pictures is not the latest generation. I think the PA does match the Gen 1 or 2 Millett, but not the Gen 3. The latest DMS has a tall elevation adjusment tower. It looks like the PA does not. Otherwise, I do think they are made in the same factory.
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Posted: 5/12/2010 6:35:31 AM EDT
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Quoted: Sort of off topic, but the leatherwood has very short eye relief and is difficult to mount on an AR. IF you look the leatherwood web page, they show it mounted with one ring on the receiver, and one out on the free float tube. Weird, and not even an option for those w/o a FFT. Did not know that. Good to know. Thanks. |
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Posted: 5/12/2010 6:44:28 AM EDT
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Sort of off topic, but the leatherwood has very short eye relief and is difficult to mount on an AR. IF you look the leatherwood web page, they show it mounted with one ring on the receiver, and one out on the free float tube. Weird, and not even an option for those w/o a FFT. it says 3" on their website. thats not "very short" IMHO. thats normal. |
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Posted: 5/12/2010 6:47:12 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Sort of off topic, but the leatherwood has very short eye relief and is difficult to mount on an AR. IF you look the leatherwood web page, they show it mounted with one ring on the receiver, and one out on the free float tube. Weird, and not even an option for those w/o a FFT. it says 3" on their website. thats not "very short" IMHO. thats normal. So would the PA or Burris PEPR mount work with a leatherwood? ETA: Would be mounted on flat top 16" AR-15. |
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Posted: 5/12/2010 6:49:44 AM EDT
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Sort of off topic, but the leatherwood has very short eye relief and is difficult to mount on an AR. IF you look the leatherwood web page, they show it mounted with one ring on the receiver, and one out on the free float tube. Weird, and not even an option for those w/o a FFT. it says 3" on their website. thats not "very short" IMHO. thats normal. So would the PA or Burris PEPR mount work with a leatherwood? ETA: Would be mounted on flat top 16" AR-15. yes it will towards the bottom of this page is a review of that exact combo. http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=421244&page=10 |
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Posted: 5/12/2010 8:50:29 AM EDT
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Short eye relief is potentially better on an AR. Look how comically far forward the DMS needs to be mounted if you shoot NTCH.
Edit- The shorter eye relief might account for the slightly larger FOV. |
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Posted: 5/12/2010 9:16:28 AM EDT
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Very interesting...
I've been leaning towards a Millett but I would really like to see a review of the new Leatherwood scope. |
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Posted: 5/12/2010 9:40:00 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Sort of off topic, but the leatherwood has very short eye relief and is difficult to mount on an AR. IF you look the leatherwood web page, they show it mounted with one ring on the receiver, and one out on the free float tube. Weird, and not even an option for those w/o a FFT. it says 3" on their website. thats not "very short" IMHO. thats normal. So would the PA or Burris PEPR mount work with a leatherwood? ETA: Would be mounted on flat top 16" AR-15. yes it will towards the bottom of this page is a review of that exact combo. http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=421244&page=10 Thanks for the link. Very good reading here. |
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Posted: 5/12/2010 9:43:34 AM EDT
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Sort of off topic, but the leatherwood has very short eye relief and is difficult to mount on an AR. IF you look the leatherwood web page, they show it mounted with one ring on the receiver, and one out on the free float tube. Weird, and not even an option for those w/o a FFT. it says 3" on their website. thats not "very short" IMHO. thats normal. So would the PA or Burris PEPR mount work with a leatherwood? ETA: Would be mounted on flat top 16" AR-15. We offer our mount is a standard or extended version. Extended works best for NTCH. You can center the scope in the rings and have plenty of room to get a good position. PA Deluxe extended on left, PA deluxe standard and PEPR. Railed top caps are a option with the PA. 
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Posted: 5/12/2010 9:48:46 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Sort of off topic, but the leatherwood has very short eye relief and is difficult to mount on an AR. IF you look the leatherwood web page, they show it mounted with one ring on the receiver, and one out on the free float tube. Weird, and not even an option for those w/o a FFT. it says 3" on their website. thats not "very short" IMHO. thats normal. So would the PA or Burris PEPR mount work with a leatherwood? ETA: Would be mounted on flat top 16" AR-15. We offer our mount is a standard or extended version. Extended works best for NTCH. You can center the scope in the rings and have plenty of room to get a good position. PA Deluxe extended on left, PA deluxe standard and PEPR. Railed top caps are a option with the PA. http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb190/marsh2001/Compare.jpg Thanks for the pic. |
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Posted: 5/13/2010 2:18:10 PM EDT
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So, the Konus M30 I just got looks remarkably similar to both of these scopes. Again the reticule looks almost exactly the same as the Primary Arms except it has a true 30/30 cross. I will say that the Konus is very very clear, but now I am wondering if all these scopes are the same. The only thing the Konus seems to differ on is that it doesn't have a spare battery holder and the turrets are different. For what I paid for it with the lifetime warranty, I am quite happy. But if I was paying the list price and then saw this post, I would be pissed.
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