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Posted: 1/23/2006 5:26:17 AM EDT
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Maybe they aren't doing so well...
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Posted: 1/23/2006 5:48:30 AM EDT
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Mine is doing fine. Holds on tight.
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Posted: 1/23/2006 5:57:42 AM EDT
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NAG, was the one that stated that he had a guy in one of his classes that had some issues with his Accucam coming loose. I also believe, that they do not gurantee repeat zero and it also voids a portion of your EOTech warranty (according to EOTech). Some members have also had issues with the Screws on the EOTech stripping out when they tried to remove them. C4 |
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Posted: 1/23/2006 6:46:27 AM EDT
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The one new-argirl had came loose quick, after we retightened it, it holds well. The same thing happened to a friend of ours. Mounted it, came loose (his EoTech fell off the gun!), retightened and is good. I dont know about the other guys, but new-argirls does not rezero well. We specifically tried to do a rezero test by shooting a group, removing the optic, installing the optic, then shooting again. We did that several times and it worked ok. However, we have had to rezero it twice since then between taking the EoTech off and putting it back on. The difference was about 3 inches at 100 yards.
Im not sure of the point of the thing now. If it rezero'd it would seem like a good idea to have the throw lever to take it on/off quickly if need be. But not if you'll have to potentiall recheck and rezero the rifle every time. |
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Posted: 1/23/2006 6:59:47 AM EDT
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I have two, but they're basically new and I haven't had them at the range much yet. One (on a .308) is going strong after about 200 rounds. The EO/Accucam combo on the SEBR is brand new and hasn't been to the range yet.
I will assume that everybody properly installed their Accucam screws with loc-tite? And adjusted them so they don't come off easy (give 'em an extra turn so the cam bears down pretty hard?)? I wonder if you could stake the screws without damaging anything... 
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Posted: 1/23/2006 9:58:50 AM EDT
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Loctite will work. It won't need staking.
What I would like to know is how they are returning to zero. As GG&G is selling them for ACOG's I would assumed they worked well. I just bought one. I hope it works out- without returning to zero there is no point. Doesn't the EO allready return within one MOA when re-moved and re-installed? If it was worse than one MOA maybe you are better off using the screw? |
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Posted: 1/23/2006 11:33:16 AM EDT
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From Eotech's site: Will use of the GG&G Accucam void my warranty? The use of the GG&G Accucam will void only a portion of our warranty as it relates to the parts of our sight that the Accucam interfaces with. For example, any problem with the hood screws, hood, base, locking bar, or any portion of the weapon that those parts of the sight interface with will not be covered. However, the electronic, optical, and mechanical function and portions of the sight will still be covered. David |
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Posted: 1/23/2006 1:14:17 PM EDT
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Yes, that is why I stated that it voids a portion of the warranty. C4 |
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Posted: 1/23/2006 3:51:36 PM EDT
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C4iGrant,
Yes you did, but you gave no information along with it. diveriter- Good info, thanks. |
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Posted: 1/23/2006 4:37:40 PM EDT
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Thanks Stick.
I just ordered one. Accucam that is. I figure it's worth the warranty issue.... I mean how much can really go wrong with metal non moving parts?? Nothing I would hope, maybe striped threads. David By the way, I ordered mine as well as a GG&G A2 BUIS, stock saddle, rubber butt plate. $190 delivered. The Accucam was $69 & the A2 was $95. Best pice I've seen. Not sure about the customer service, but it took FOREVER to get a rep on the phone to order it. BOTACH TACTICAL |
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Posted: 1/24/2006 6:28:54 AM EDT
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No one asked which portion so I didn't amplify.  C4 |
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Posted: 1/24/2006 6:29:53 AM EDT
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Bocrap huh, now there is a good choice.  C4 |
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Posted: 1/24/2006 9:43:29 AM EDT
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I tried several dealers that support the site, but 1/2 didn't have what I needed & if they did, they were full retail. Would rather support "Supporters", but not @ full retail. David |
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Posted: 1/24/2006 9:56:33 AM EDT
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Knowledge isn't free. Try asking BOCRAP technical questions on the gear they sell.  C4 |
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Posted: 1/24/2006 12:33:50 PM EDT
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Good will is free. You seem to be in short supply though.
Browbeating potential customers is not a way to expand your customer base. Buck |
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Posted: 1/24/2006 12:47:25 PM EDT
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Botach doesn't actually sell things, they just mislead the public. I fell for their scam a few years ago..... 
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Posted: 1/24/2006 1:44:14 PM EDT
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Actually, I was helping him out (just doesn't know it). There are COUNTLESS threads talking about how people were screwed by BOCRAP (can send you links if you like). For the record, I do not sell the Accucam as I believe it has some issues. So no concern about losing a sale! Nothing is more irritating to me, than to see folks get technical help on this board (usually from a dealer/IP) and then bargain shop for the lowest possible price they can.  Edited to add, that your "good will in short supply" comment kind of struck me as bizare. I probably dole out more FREE technical advise than ANY other dealer/IP on this board. So I would have to STRONGLY disagree with your statement as it is NOT factually accurate! C4 |
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Posted: 1/24/2006 1:46:14 PM EDT
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I did as well and try to share my experience and stear people away from them and onto a reputable dealer. C4 |
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Posted: 1/24/2006 3:40:11 PM EDT
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+1 Grant. I think I have sucked off more knowledge from you than I have purchased from you. That is good will to me - I will remember your help when looking for products. How many, in real life use when the SHTF (duty, SD, etc) have needed to quickly remove their Eotech? Did you use the Accucam, YHM knurled nut, oem nut, LT, etc? |
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Posted: 1/24/2006 4:44:58 PM EDT
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Thank you for your feedback Hayseed_40. I am glad someone gets it! As far as needing to remove the EOTech quickly, that is debatable. In my opinion, if your EOTech goes down you can use the window of the EOTech as a sighting tool (can make center mass hits out to 50yds) while you get behind cover so you can either deploy your BUIS's or remove the EOTech. So NO I don't think there is a need to quickly remove an EOTech. I do however think there is a need to be able to remove an EOTech and have it return to zero. C4 |
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Posted: 1/24/2006 6:28:05 PM EDT
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Right it should return to zero.
Are you saying it doesn't? Do you have one? Botach is allright sometimes. I hadd one order go over like a lightfighter.com order (5-6months.) another that shipped the same week. They do have some items in stock and I would reccomend making sure items are in stock but at least they have good prices and a decent military discount. |
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Posted: 1/24/2006 8:05:43 PM EDT
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Ok... well first thing first... C4iGrant, I don't know you from Adam.
Second, I called GG&G & they reccomended BOTECH, but advised I make sure the items I wanted where in stock. Third, I own my own computer/network sales and repairs. If someone comes to me asking questions on a product, I will tell them what I know. If they say well I can get it cheaper somewhere else & it's below my price, and I don't feel it's a reputable place, I will explain why I feel this way. Not just "That place sucks" or slander them with my bias "opinion" unless it was absolute. If they need onsite service, guess who they will call back if the place turns out to be what I advised them on... I appreciate you 'wanting' to help, but all you gave me was conjecture. David If those who know share.... More can share to those who don't. |
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Posted: 1/25/2006 4:08:20 AM EDT
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I find it odd that GG&G would send you to another company for the sale. [%] I and countless others have been screwed by BOCRAP. Don't want to take my word for it? Ok, here is your proof! www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=418964 www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=400413 www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=1036e2dc88530495cfac5ead0a8dfc31&threadid=40226 What the BBB had to say about them: www.labbb.org/BBBWeb/Forms/Business/CompanyReportPage_Expository.aspx?CompanyID=13117095 These are just a couple that came up with a quick search. Almost every gun forum on the internet has some kind of negative thread posted about them. Its your money, spend it wisely! C4 |
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Posted: 1/25/2006 5:16:23 AM EDT
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Now that's something I can work with.
When I called GG&G and asked them about the price from Botech & compared it to their's, I was told that they were a good company & that they (GGG) wouldn't undercut their distributers. He infact told me that even his brother buys from them... So I took him at his word. I'm not trying to be a dick, you just didn't expound on your statement. Again, I tried to go through & order from a site supporter, but there where soooo many of them & the ones I looked at either didn't have everything I wanted or were very high.. just from what I saw on their sites. Being new on this site & to ARs, I would rather support the site supporters. Maintaining sites like this is by NO means cheap. Thanks for your advice, David |
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Posted: 1/25/2006 5:17:51 AM EDT
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One thing I have made note of is that the gg&g accucam provides more tension which has appeared to cause an impression of the rail into the inside right of the eotech. This has caused mine to become canted. I have not had a problem with returning to zero, but then again most of my range time is spent under 50 yards.
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Posted: 1/25/2006 5:24:06 AM EDT
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Is that damage to the eothech housing itself? Is it the tension from the cam or from the connection of the accucam to the eotech housing? David |
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Posted: 1/25/2006 5:26:20 AM EDT
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Roger. C4 |
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Posted: 1/25/2006 6:01:34 AM EDT
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eotech pic
It’s actually on the left side when its right side up. It’s hard to see in this picture, but none the less there is an indention that the rail goes into too far causing the sight to be canted. Either the sight had this flaw already and I didn’t notice it until the accucam was installed, or it was because of the accucam that it was developed. My guess is that the accucam was tightened too much in order to secure it and bent the housing over. |
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Posted: 1/25/2006 9:21:25 AM EDT
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Yojimbo
Don't you have a LaRue EoTech mount? Is that not working out for you? |
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Posted: 1/25/2006 10:31:58 AM EDT
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Eventually when mine gets here I'll try to get out and rig some kind of a test. I would have taken GG&G's word for it, but I need to know how it performs now.
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Posted: 1/25/2006 7:46:39 PM EDT
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I've had an Eotech go down in real world use, and I switched to my BUIS just like I train. Removing it quickly just isn't an option that I can see for most real world uses. |
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Posted: 1/26/2006 4:30:34 AM EDT
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I agree with what Stick said. The main purpose I would have wanted the Accucam for was to be able to remove and reinstall my EOTech and maintain zero. Judging by everything I've read about the Accucam in this thread and on older ones it seems like I can do about as well with the stock thumb screw. TheSaint2004, I'm not running a LaRue mount but I have no doubt it would maintain zero when removed and reinstalled. |
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Posted: 1/26/2006 6:02:14 AM EDT
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What if the prism cracks/shatters for some reason? It would obscure your BUIS. That's why I keep the GG&G on. |
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Posted: 1/26/2006 6:36:59 AM EDT
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Mine returns to zero as long as I put in back in the same spot is was mounted to. I have had no issues with it being loose or anything like it. I think the accucam is a great part for my eotech. Since I have had it I have easily put 4k rounds down range.
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