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Posted: 4/12/2004 3:13:06 PM EDT
Hey folks. I have been wringing out the new Aimpoint mount from LaRue Tactical. Thought ya'll might be interested in my thoughts and some pics.
I must say I am very impressed with this mount. I intentionally abused it to see if it was really any good. Friday alone, it survived several hundred rounds, and I mounted/dismounted it 25 times. I can honestly tell you that I had NO shift of zero/p.o.i., throughout an entire day of shooting.   This particular version, when mounted on your M4 rail, or same hiegth RAS/RIS rail, will place your iron sights in the lower 1/3 of your Aimpoint. Here it is mounted to the rail of my RAS II, but I later moved it back to my gun's rail. This mount WILL NOT co-witness the irons on the RAS II hump/bridge.  The much-rumored destruction of your 1913 rail by the LaRue throw-lever is completely unfounded. So far, I have mounted/dismounted the LaRue over 50 times. Albsolutely no damage was sustained by the rail, period!! The mount went from two to ten rounds at a time between mounts/dismounts. I never had any shift of p.o.i. I did see a small amount of finish wear, but that was after fifty times. Previously, I don't think I had put on/took off my Aimpoint mount anywhere near that many times-after a couple years. Makes it seems like a moot point..... Here is a pic of the mount with the throw-lever in the open position:  Needless to say, I am very happy with the LaRue mount. As you can see from these current pics, the overall aesthetics have been comepletely re-done. It's finish now is the flat/matte black that we are accustomed to from KAC, GG&G, etc... Edited to add: Mark's contact info: www.laruetactical.com Also talk to him directly at:(512)259-1585 |
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Posted: 4/13/2004 4:29:50 PM EDT
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Great review and pics Monty!!!!
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Posted: 4/13/2004 4:56:52 PM EDT
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Thanks Jeff!
I was beginning to wonder when this was pushing 200 views, but no replies..... You need one of these, brother! |
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Posted: 6/1/2004 11:50:10 AM EDT
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Resurrecting this one from the dead.
I just got one of these mounts a week ago, and I can't say enough good stuff about it. It's replaced my ARMS 22M68 on my carbine. |
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Posted: 6/1/2004 12:10:21 PM EDT
[#4]
Told ya, Lump!  Monty 
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Posted: 6/2/2004 6:18:21 AM EDT
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so now you need to post pics of the new set up right 
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Posted: 6/2/2004 8:06:31 AM EDT
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Soon... |
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Posted: 6/2/2004 11:53:29 AM EDT
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How is this thing better than the ARMS 22M68? Another solution in search of a problem.
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Posted: 6/2/2004 11:56:44 AM EDT
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Not a solution, just one more option.
I still have my 22M68 and its an excellent mount. The LaRue mount just put my Aimpoint at a height I like a little more when used with my LMT BUIS. |
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Posted: 6/2/2004 1:10:38 PM EDT
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Does the #22 offer a guaranteed return to zero/poi, after being mounted and dis-mounted?? Does the #22 offer an ADJUSTABLE throw-lever for different manufacturer's rails?? Can/does the #22 claim that absolutely no stress is placed on the Aimpoint?? Does the LaRue mount need a spacer to co-witness when mounted directly on the upper's 1913 rail?? Negative, on all counts...... Monty |
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Posted: 6/2/2004 3:22:02 PM EDT
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I don't know if ARMS guarantees it, but I've mounted and removed my Aimpoint plenty of times and have never had the POI shift. I don't buy cheap shit out of spec upper receivers or rail systems so I have no need for an adjustable throw lever for out of spec rails. How can Larue claim there is no stress placed on the Aimpoint? Every mount that relies on friction to keep the optic device from sliding about within the ring(s) places some degree of stress on the optic. The Larue is no different. The need for a spacer is part of the modularity of the 22M68. Can the Larue be cowitnessed when mounted on top of the RAS II hump? Can the 22M68? Does the Larue allow for mounting forward of the upper receiver in a cantilever mounted? Can the same be done with a 22M68 with the simple addition of a spacer? But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong. Buy whatever you want for your weapon, it's a free country 
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Posted: 6/2/2004 3:52:31 PM EDT
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I am not sayin gyour #22 has shifted. I am saying LaRue guarantees that theirs will not. Buying cheap shit recievers or rail systems is a dumb point. If you have been watching this forum the last couple of months, you would know that there are reputable manuf. out there who's rails don't match. I have seen a KAC rail, and a BM upper rail that were way off. The adjust. throw-lever made the difference there. If you have a RASII and want to co-witness on the hump, LaRue makes this mount specifically for it. The LaRue mounts are actually made in house at LaRue Tactical, rather than subbed out. I would think that if you have never used a LaRue, then you would have a hard time commenting on it, with any credibility. I have used the #22. I choose not to own one. |
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Posted: 6/2/2004 5:39:15 PM EDT
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Just so folks know, the LaRue mounts are made out of a solid billet of Aircraft Grade Aluminum! The throw levers are made out solid SS......
C4 |
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Posted: 6/2/2004 6:17:35 PM EDT
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I have one of the Larue mounts which incorporates 30mm rings. Going on a SPR with a leupold MR/T. Itis a first rate piece of gear. I will buy more of their products
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Posted: 6/2/2004 7:25:40 PM EDT
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If I were ever unfortunate enough to come across an ARMS product that wasn't built to their specs and allowed the POI to shift, then I have no doubt that they would replace or repair it free of charge. I don't see the advantage of having to purchase two separate Larue mounts for mounting on the upper or the RAS II hump when the ARMS 22M68 can do the same by adding or removing a simple spacer. Are the 22M68's subcontracted out for production by ARMS? What is the point of mentioning that Larue makes their mount in-house? I have never been to the Artic, but I would wager a guess that it is quite cold there. I am basing my opinion of the Larue on the information provided to me in this thread and weighing in with my opinion. I don't need to handle the Larue to know that it doesn't offer any substantial improvement over the ARMS product. |
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Posted: 6/2/2004 7:32:00 PM EDT
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Well if you, or someone else should ever have to send back an ARMS mount for that reason, I'll be happily shooting along with mine just fine.
Do you really switch where you mount your Aimpoint that often. You either need one for the hump, or one for the upper rail. Why both?? ARMS is well known for subbing out products. LaRue makes everything in-house. If you can't see the difference, I am shocked..... Your comment about the artic is a widely general comment about a well known place that can be researched profusely on various sources. Your comments about the LaRue can basically be summized as: "Never used one, but I know it's nothing new or improved. Real sure of that!" You're giving a technical opinion based on a few pics...... 
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Posted: 6/3/2004 6:57:51 AM EDT
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 C4 |
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Posted: 6/3/2004 11:26:19 AM EDT
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 C4 |
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Posted: 6/3/2004 5:18:02 PM EDT
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The Larue is also a bit lighter and less bulky then the ARMS 22M68.
I'm currently running the shorter RASII hump version of the Larue and couldn’t be happier. The Larue Aimpoint mounts place the co-witnessed irons in the lower 30% of the optic. |
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Posted: 6/3/2004 6:23:05 PM EDT
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  I suck at photography |
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Posted: 6/3/2004 6:26:17 PM EDT
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Lumpy's pics rock!
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Posted: 6/3/2004 6:32:31 PM EDT
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Jeeeeees it's about time the pics showed up, it's been a while since I could save a pic to the old hard drive Edited to add: What,? No more single point sling? |
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Posted: 6/3/2004 6:37:47 PM EDT
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That and the KAC panel for the top piece of the M4 RAS is missing... 
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Posted: 6/3/2004 6:53:00 PM EDT
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Experimenting with 3 points again.
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Posted: 6/3/2004 7:06:55 PM EDT
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Very nice lumpy! Now we have to get you the LaRue EOTech mount and the transformation will be complete!
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Posted: 6/3/2004 8:30:19 PM EDT
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Good luck my friend.
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Posted: 6/3/2004 9:17:30 PM EDT
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Id sooner shave my nuts with a cheese grater 
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Posted: 6/3/2004 10:24:04 PM EDT
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The LaRue throw lever mounts are by far the best throw levers mounts on the market today.
The LaRue throw levers are adjustable (can adjust for wear), and the throw levers engage the picatinny rail and not the void area of the rail where the slots are cut on the picatinny rail like other manufactures do. This is a superior means of engaging the throw lever mount in helping to prevent the mount from being knock off the picatinny rail. For these reasons the LaRue throw lever mounts are superior.  Plus they look really cool. Best regards, Frank POF-USA |
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Posted: 6/4/2004 4:32:34 AM EDT
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Lumpy It's nice to see a rifle that really gets used and not just a safe queen! Thanks for the pics
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Posted: 6/4/2004 7:54:21 PM EDT
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Its seen a lot of hard use. One of these days I'll refinish it. |
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Posted: 6/6/2004 12:39:15 PM EDT
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I recently got one of the Larue rear sights, Aimpoint mount, and ACOG mount. Thought I'd throw up some of my thoughts and pics as well.
First off, Larue stuff is just no nonsense bulletproof. Very simple, very strong. I tried the mounts on a Bushmaster receiver, Arms SIR rail, and the rail on my wife's Bushmaster Carbon 15 97S. Everything fit perfectly on all the different rails. Very tight with no movement at all. I really like the Larue rear sight. I have long preferred the A1 type sight setup over the A2 style on a fighting rifle. My only point of contention with it was that the end of the lever impeeded getting a two finger grasp on the charging handle. I dont like to not be able to access the right side of the charging handle for various reasons. However, I took my trusty demel and cut off the end of teh lever, one hole back. This gave enough room to get a finger in. Its tight, but doable. Two holes back would be perfect, however, one would not be able to access the level as easily with the shorter level. It could still be accessed, but might need something for assistance. I presonally dont see this as a concern, as I cant think of a situation where rapid removal of your rear sight would be needed. I'd rather see this with a shorter lever and easier use of the charging handle. Unfortunately, I dont have a spare Aimpoint or Acog at the moment to try in the mounts. All I can say is, that they are extremely well made, and SOLID. They are also no frills mounts. If you are looking for something high speed and fancy, these arent it. If your looking for something rock solid, bulletproof, and functional, look no further. Its no secret that I am an ARMs junky, but, I am VERY impressed with the Larue mounts, and will be using them now as well. Here are a few pics I took. Here you can see how close the rear sight lever is to the charging handle, and how you cant quite get a good grip on it.    Here is the lever after I cut off one hole.   The Aimpoint mount.   The ACOG mount.  Here is an idea of where the irons will line up through the Aimpoint once its on.  |
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Posted: 6/6/2004 12:59:58 PM EDT
[#32]
Good pics! The BUIS lever length is being worked out as we speak...
C4 |
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Posted: 6/6/2004 2:38:58 PM EDT
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Just one further update. Something I thought of after I posted earlier. I tried the ACOG mount on one of my other SIR's, and one lever was a bit hard to lock down. The other one was REALLY tight. I'm sure I could adjust it some, but, I didnt have to do any adjusting to get the mounts on the other rails. Just FYI, and yes, it was very surprising to me. However, I am by NO MEANS saying there is a problem or that it wont work, just that it was tighter than on the others.
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Posted: 6/6/2004 2:41:43 PM EDT
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That little wrench thingy they throw in will come in reallllllly handy about now
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Posted: 6/6/2004 3:17:59 PM EDT
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Thought I'd throw up some of my thoughts and pics as well.
Please don't!!!!! I think we can all agree that it would require a pretty weird situation to necessitate a rapid removal of a BUIS. What the LaRue really offers is repeatability. That is, you can pull of the BUIS, throw on your night vision. Pull that off and re-mount the BUIS and not have to re-zero. That is a real quantum boost to one of the AR platform's premier advantages: modularity. As to the clamp adjustment being different from gun to gun: That's not unusual. In fact, that's what the adjustment is for. To enable a rock-solid fit on any rail; not just a theoretically perfect rail. The rail on my J&T upper is so out of spec that if I adjust the Aimpoint mount for a snug fit on the foward-most part the rail, the lever cannot be closed if you move the mount further back on the rail. Mi dos centavos. SD |
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Posted: 6/6/2004 3:31:29 PM EDT
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Yeah, I agree. Was just pointing out that the design does actually work, in letting it mount to a variety of rails (dimension wise), and still be rock solid on them all. |
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Posted: 6/6/2004 3:48:07 PM EDT
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As we are finding out, a lot of companies have their own idea what the 1913 spec should be! The LaRue throw levers allow you to adjust to any rail system made so no longer will you have to wonder if product X will fit product Y....
C4 |
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Posted: 6/6/2004 7:21:37 PM EDT
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I remember when I was the lone voice in the wilderness on LaRue........
Monty |
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Posted: 6/6/2004 7:47:43 PM EDT
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I admit, I wasnt listening... I learned my lesson
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Posted: 6/7/2004 3:49:42 AM EDT
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It takes a BIG MAN to admit when he is wrong! I must admit that I was only half listening. Hell I must have walked past Mark's booth at the SS half a dozen times!  C4 |
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Posted: 6/7/2004 4:21:05 AM EDT
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Dozen plus 2. Guilty. 
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Posted: 6/7/2004 4:23:28 AM EDT
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Were you going to the BlackHawk tent like I was for free Starbucks and beer??
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Posted: 6/7/2004 4:32:38 AM EDT
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Well, I dont like beer
 so no. But I'd sure have loved the Starbucks! Didnt know they had that. Hung out and chatted with Mr. Noel for a little bit on Thurs. when we got there, but only made a trip or two back to actually look at anything. Passed it about 5,428 times though going elsewhere. I dont think you could go anywhere in the entire LE section without passing the BH 
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Posted: 6/7/2004 4:44:05 AM EDT
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Ya, in the morning they had Starbucks and in the afternoon they had beer! Its good to be the KING! I would say that the BH setup was nicer than most peoples homes! C4 |
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Posted: 6/7/2004 5:10:29 AM EDT
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Well, I dont like beer
Uh, guys..... I think we may have a commie infiltrator here. |
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Posted: 6/7/2004 5:40:42 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/7/2004 5:55:52 AM EDT
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Infiltrator......maybe.
Commie........Never.
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Posted: 6/7/2004 10:06:57 AM EDT
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Maybe.....but at least you were willing to give it a try before trashing the thing all over the 'net. I can understand a healthy dose of skepticism. I just can't understand people who proceeded to trash Mark LaRue personally, and his products, without EVER having spoken to him, or even holding in their hand something he made. Monty |
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Posted: 6/7/2004 10:20:08 AM EDT
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I agree 100%! I love people that make remarks "looks stupid" or some other dumbass remark without ever using one. People need to learn what constructive criticism is and try and have an intelligent conversation. If you don't like something, explain your position with facts and rational thoughts... C4 |
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Posted: 6/12/2004 11:56:51 AM EDT
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anyone have a pic of the short mount for installation on a RAS II hump?
I'm trying to decide between that and the 22m68 for when I get an aimpoint. |
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