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So can we just buy some of your "old style" followers for the SS mags? I don't want to go through the hassle of sending in all of my SS mags if I can just change followers.
Yes, same question. |
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Original post deleted. After reading a few more posts, I know I need to hand cycle my mags to be sure all is ok. I feel up to this point that C Products mags are the best for the price. I have talked with Larry on the phone and found him very helpful. I am also sure if I find any problems they will be remedied. I have some stainless mags with the original followers, but haven't tried any I got thru the group buy. I'm sure everything will work out.
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Does anyone else have SS mags from CP with the CP followers? I ordered 10 from the group buy and they had those followers in them. I'm wondering what the timeline was for when they switched from their own followers to Magpul's.
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I'm personally not interested in "swapping them out". I'd be happy to buy the correct followers and save the Magpul followers to use somewhere else. Looked on the CP website and the kits for the stainless look like they are being sold with magpul followers. Didn't see any option to purchase just the followers. I personally have 30ish of the stainless and haven't run more than a couple. Just getting the correct followers to insure that they operate correctly will make me happy.
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I'm personally not interested in "swapping them out". I'd be happy to buy the correct followers and save the Magpul followers to use somewhere else. Looked on the CP website and the kits for the stainless look like they are being sold with magpul followers. Didn't see any option to purchase just the followers. I personally have 30ish of the stainless and haven't run more than a couple. Just getting the correct followers to insure that they operate correctly will make me happy.
Anyone wishing to change followers just need to call or e-mail C Products with your name and address and we will send them to you...no charge. Keep the Magpuls to use in your aluminum magazines. Larry C Products |
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I got 6 last week with the CP followers. I loaded all of them up and cycled them through my rifle. They function fine and look great. These were marlube ones. I will test them at the range next week. |
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Tested a few of my mags out today. I've started a whole log with numbered mags and dates.
My main rifle has a tighter magwell than my secondary so the first thing I did was test that they all dropped freely. I only had one 30 round teflon alum and two 20 round get stuck. These same mags inserted and dropped freely from my other lower. 2 30 Rnd SS mags Marlube had the old follower: These actually ran the best The added weight of the mags aides in the dropping during mag changes and no hang ups so far. 2 30 Rnd Teflon coated Alum: Worked fine. no problems. All 4 mags got only 60 rounds each so far, but I have alot of mags to test and Ammo is damn expensive!! After all get tested I will cycle back through again. Like I said I will be keeping a very detailed log so if I do have to return any at least they will help the team at CProducts see what and why. |
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After the failure of both mags that I tried, initially I was pissed and wanted a full refund for all (10) Stainless Steel mags.
I am very paticular about the gear that I run. If it doesn't perform, it either get's returned or thrown in the trash. In all fairness to Larry and the crew at C Products, I understand that no company is perfect and every manufacturer is prone to slips in quality control from time to time. I purchased the C Product Stainless Steel mags because I saw a friend of mine use them (without any failures) in a Tactical Carbine class a few months ago where we sent over 1,500 round down range in 2 days. I even used a few of my buddie's C Product mags and was impressed enough with them that I purchased some for myself. Today I decided to return the (10) mags I purchased for an *exchange* (not a refund) of (10) Stainless Steel mags. Larry and the crew at C Products seem to be good people. Hopefully the problems have been corrected. I'll report back after I have received the new mags and have run them through their paces. Semper Fi, Jeff |
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I haven't posted here for a while, so why not tonight...
The pics early on in the thread of misaligned body halves were my CP's. I initially had some failures to feed, but given a few repetitions of remedial action they tweaked enough to feed reliably. I haven't run into the follower sticking but have been on line with both new and veteran shooters than have. For the new guys eager to try out their shiny new rifle any failure is very frustrating, for those of us that use gear for duty or other regular use it's a bigger issue. I was spoiled with the DH mags I bought before I picked up the dozen or so CP's I have, and I would really like to see CProducts get their dope dialed in and reach that level. I don't come from an industry background, QA/QC for my job isn't a question as there are mortal consequences. We don't have the option of finding out what is 'good enough', and then backing down to a level of acceptable returns. Unfortunately CP is working up from the other side of the curve and is paying for it as they go. The insinuation that we should expect failure by buying from the lowest bidder is laughable. Speaking from the boots of somebody that deals with the multiple bidder, lowest cost acquisition system I'd like to remind everybody that the roads you drive on, cars you drive them in, houses that the contractor built for you, planes you fly on and water you drink were all products of the lowest bidder. The trick is to get whatever product out the door at the lowest production cost, and if the tarmac goes down for $20K per mile but later needs $200K worth of warranty repair the bidder won't be around for long. I'm still shooting my USGI prebans/'England' steel prebans/DH/CP mags to good effect and my last discard failure was an old USGI that no longer drops free and has cracked lips. Oh well... |
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On the 5th, I posted my rainy day stash of 10 CProducts dry-film moly 30-rounders with Mag-Puls in the EE the other day and had them sold in 15 minutes.
Just prior to doing so I ordered 10 30-round Okays from Ammoman and just got confirmation that they're enroute scheduled for delivery on the 13th. On Ammoman's website it stated they'd be doing inventory between the 6th and the 13th and that shipments could possibly be delayed. Not much of a delay if you ask me. $13.99 per mag delivered for Okays isn't too far off from 44mag's $13.49 price either. I had to pay about $40 more for the Okays and don't get the Mag-Puls but I can live with that. I never had any issues with the CProducts mags but since they were being stashed for later, I didn't want to run into problems years down the road. I'm still using one CProducts mag that ran well for me as a duty mag and will keep it to see how it holds up. FWIW, Scott |
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I've live fire tested 6 out of 20 C Product Aluminum Mags i recently purchased. On 1 of the 6, the follower was getting stuck about midway down. I have a stash of extra MagPul Followers so i swapped out the follower and now it runs fine. Maybe in some instances out of spec followers are to blame. It's probably not a bad idea to at least ruler test all of your mags.(regardless of make) |
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When I was having issues with the Alum mags. It was not the follower it was the body and the rounds were falling next to each other, jamming themselves in the body.
There is apparently a seperate issue with the follower and the SS mags. The new ones are being shipped with a diff follower though. |
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Wow. I have been out of the loop. I did not realize there was a problem with CProduct SS mags. That is very unfortunate for me, as I bought many mags during the price wars last year. I most certainly am not willing to run enough ammo through each and every one to verify they are ok at this time. I figure it would easily cost me thousands to do that. I, like many others, learned a lesson from history and stacked them deep in case of another ban. These were not intended to be used at this time.
All my SS mags have a grey follower w/ the Magpul emblem. Are these the followers that have been giving people fits? What are all the SS mag owners with the suspect followers doing? Is everyone just asking for replacement followers? My big concern is sitting on my stash, only to find out years down the road that they are not reliable when they are put into use. I do not think it wise to expect CProducts be willing and able to stand behind a product they sold years prior. Do you guys think it was unwise to build up a small cache w/o individual testing and then expect that most would prove reliable upon testing, probably years, if not decades in the future? Maybe I need to pull a percentage of mags of each manufacturer and model and test for function. This thread is very disconcerting. I think I will go eat a nice juicy steak and ponder this and various other mysteries of life. |
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That's horrible |
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I have a couple of the grey dry film mags & they work flawlessly but 2 out of the 5 black Mar-Lube mags gave me problems: sent one back & it was replaced. I originally tested 2 of the 5: one worked fine but 2nd time out, it was troublesome- the follower doesn't come back up loaded w/20 rnds. Need to test the others & send back the problem mags. I assumed it was caused by the spring but seems like it's the grey follower. Inside the mag body looks good, no weld bumps. Either way, I like CP.
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I really think if down the road you used your magazines for the first time and you had problems, Larry would make it right. He bends over backwards for his customers. I think C Products will be in business for many years to come. Plus I bought my C Product magazines from 44mag.com. Here is 44 mag.com lifetime guarantee. Really cant beat a double guarantee from C Products and 44Mag.com MONEY BACK GUARANTEE & LIFETIME WARRANTY *copied off 44mag.com's website* All products available on 44MAG.com are backed with our money back guarantee. If for any reason you are not completely satisfied with your purchase return it to us within 30 days for your choice of refund or exchange. Product must be returned in same condition received. Shipping costs are not refundable. 44MAG.com Magazine Lifetime Warranty: If any rifle or pistol magazine (aka clips, mags, etc) sold by 44MAG.com ever fails to fit, feed, or function we will repair or replace it. This warranty covers magazines from all manufacturers and is for the life of the original purchaser. This warranty covers normal wear and tear but does not cover any magazine that has been abused or modified. FAQ: Does the warranty cover mags used in competition? Yes! Our warranty is for the life of the original purchaser and has no restrictions on how much you use the magazine. If your magazines ever wear out we will repair or replace them under warranty. Does the warranty cover mags used in law enforcement? Yes! Your magazines are fully warranted (unless you run them over with the patrol car). If your magazines ever wear out we will repair or replace them under warranty. John |
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If this question has been answered before, I apologize...
What is the description of the followers that were causing problems in the SS mags? Color, markings, etc. Don't know if I have them or the originals, or the GEN II, or.... |
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Shipping them back for replacements gets old, and expensive..
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In the last 18 months I have purchased over 800 aluminum mags from CProducts for myself, the rest of the range crew, and numerous other officers from my Dept. The last batch was about 350 from the group buy. So far, not one single problem with any of the mags and some are starting to get up there in round count. IMHO they make a very good product at a great price. I don't doubt that some are having problems and that appears to have been addressed. I don't think you should give up on Larry just yet.
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Wait one minute there!! You bought 800 mags yourself and haven't had a single problem with any of the 800 and some of that 800 is starting to get up there in round count? So, one time through, 800 x 30 (assuming they're the 30 rounders) is 24,000 rounds, just one time through. But since they're getting up there in round count say times 4 that is 96,000 rounds of ammo, simply amazing. I'm being generous of course with the 4x being up there as I'm sure it's more. I don't see a mag issue here but a ammo issue or a lack of... |
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Next time READ the whole post. I didn't say I bought 800 mags for myself. They were split among 20 people or so. I'm sure some of the mags have only been used once or twice, but some have had steady use. I only wish I could afford 800 mags and 96,000 rounds of 5.56. |
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Oh, I got ya, I stopped at the first comma for some reason. As far as the wishing to afford 800 mags, I'm with ya. |
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If this referring to C Products mags as listed here...
Products, LLC 28 Harvard Street New Britain, CT 06051 Toll free: 1-866 274-0247 [email protected] I recently bought 4 high caps for the 6.5 Grendel. Every one of them jams every time...even on the first round loading. I sent email. They will not bother to respond. These 4 mags shipped cost me over a 100 bucks. They first lost my order, then found my order, then promised my order and offered to include a free mag due to the frustrations..still no mags. It took over 2 months to get the damn things and then they didnt even work. NO free mag and the 4 I have are junk. |
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What follower? Larry-- I recieved the FREE replacement followers today, Thanks again. |
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It was the plain grey follower (not magpul), I assume its CP's own anti tilt follower for their stainless steel mags. |
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I assume you tried calling them? Email is nice for companies to have but it doesn't replace getting off our asses and calling. |
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If this referring to C Products mags as listed here...
Products, LLC 28 Harvard Street New Britain, CT 06051 Toll free: 1-866 274-0247 [email protected] I recently bought 4 high caps for the 6.5 Grendel. Every one of them jams every time...even on the first round loading. I sent email. They will not bother to respond. These 4 mags shipped cost me over a 100 bucks. They first lost my order, then found my order, then promised my order and offered to include a free mag due to the frustrations..still no mags. It took over 2 months to get the damn things and then they didnt even work. NO free mag and the 4 I have are junk. All you have to do is call me at 866 274-0247 its toll free and I will personally take care of your problem. Please send the mags back to the address you posted with your return address and we will either refund your money or replace them at no charge. Considering what you have posted are you sure it is a Grendel mag? Should have a blue follower. Larry C Products |
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