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Posted: 11/26/2005 12:46:55 PM EDT
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So are these mags actually being made by CP or are they rebranded mags made by OKAY (kind of like the NHMTG marked stuff). Just curious, because I didn't think CP had a facility in the same city as OKAY and very near some of the other big names like Colt and...
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Posted: 11/26/2005 4:08:39 PM EDT
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it's my understanding that CP is doing all their own work. I do believe they are directly involved with the Brownell's magazine production.
According to Rick they are designing their own stainless magazine with "enhanced anti-tilt followers". Similar to the steel HK product, but competitively priced (approximately 40 or 50% of what HK charges) and at a lower weight (production version wil be much lighter). Creative products will begin stamping these in about 3 weeks. Hopefully I'll be able to get my hands on one for a little T & E. |
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Posted: 11/26/2005 4:17:36 PM EDT
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h.gifneatman
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Posted: 11/26/2005 7:35:41 PM EDT
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Pictures?
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Posted: 11/26/2005 8:08:46 PM EDT
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pics are no problem (for the standard GI aluminum mags), but you'll have to wait on the steel mag pics. I'm waiting on one to be shipped at the moment. If these mags are what they are supposed to be...CP has hit on a goldmine here. Rest assured I'll be posting pics the minute I receive the magazines in the mail. Of course, I'll have to run several hundred rounds through them just to be sure. 
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Posted: 11/26/2005 8:45:55 PM EDT
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Tag; sounds interesting.
Now if they could make a stainless 40rder.....  WIZZO |
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Posted: 11/27/2005 3:58:28 AM EDT
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Kevin, we manufacture the magazines. OKay is a few miles away. Stag Arms is just down the street and a customer of ours. We have many friends at Colts and they have test fired our mags without a failure.
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Posted: 11/27/2005 5:36:16 AM EDT
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Thanks. Just curious. Did you guys just buy a place in CT vs. SC or have you always been up there?
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Posted: 11/27/2005 10:54:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/30/2005 11:50:50 PM EDT
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After the earlier fiasco, I was wondering if CP would try again? I'm rather curious as to the Brownells connection as well.
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Posted: 12/1/2005 12:17:07 PM EDT
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Have been testing their magazines for a couple of weeks. Test weapons are Bushmaster rifle with 20" barrel, Bushmaster Patrolman carbine with 16" barrel, Bushmaster Entry Carbine with 11.5" barrel, Colt 6920 with 16" barrel, Colt M4 with 14.5" barrel, Colt M16A2 with 11.5" barrel, Armalite 15A2NM with 20" barrel, and ArmaLite M15 with 16" barrel. Ammo was a mix of XM193,ADCOM M855, and Wolf 55gr. Fired 1200 rounds through each magazine. Some magazines where emptied firing one shot every two seconds, some emptied firing as fast as possible on semi auto, and some on full auto dumping the entire magazine with one pull of the trigger. All the magazines functioned perfectly. We experienced zero problems.
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Posted: 12/1/2005 2:40:23 PM EDT
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do you mean their earlier production aluminum mags? i was dead set against them, but their new stuff is good. No problems yet and I took them out again this afternoon...got off work a little early i'm not saying that I'm gonna sell off all of my NHMTG mags, but they are competitive...and competition is good for all of us. I REALLY can't wait until these steel mags arrive. |
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Posted: 12/1/2005 2:44:13 PM EDT
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pics?
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Posted: 12/1/2005 4:34:56 PM EDT
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I have one from the old days. I bought it to go with my Colt guard finsihed SP1. It runs fine with a shine.  I bought one of the Brownells mags when they first came out. Mine had loose floorplate, part of the inside had no finish, and the spring had a light red haze on it that wiped off like rust. Sent it back. I also bought some of the 20 round 30 round Creative Product mags that would not load to capacity and feed when they first came out. Only price would make me try them again and 11 dollar mags are out there from others. Let see a mag manufacturer that will sell to the consumer direct at GI prices. I could use some $8 mags. |
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Posted: 12/2/2005 4:48:38 AM EDT
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Yup. Many had to be returned. |
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Posted: 12/3/2005 1:09:11 PM EDT
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Sorry to be a pain, but does anybody have a link to CP, can't seem to find 'em.
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Posted: 12/3/2005 1:19:19 PM EDT
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Want help you but here
cproductsllc.com/ |
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Posted: 12/3/2005 1:25:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/5/2005 10:33:45 PM EDT
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I had the opportunity to chat with Larry from CP today. I was treated like I was his most important customer, despite being a nobody. These guys are a class act who know their product and what's needed to make it work. After talking to Larry, it became apparent CP is going to be a big player in the magazine market. They have been networking with a lot of the big name players in the industry. I've got a few of the new CP mags on they way to test out. Now, I just can't wait to get a hold of the stainless steel mags! Apparently they're giving them a heat treatment to further strengthen the construction, but the weight is not much greater than current mil-spec mags. Prices will be much lower than HK mags and they will arguably be better constructed.
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Posted: 12/5/2005 10:48:32 PM EDT
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Interesting, if they have their act together, the stainless mag could be good.
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Posted: 12/6/2005 3:25:54 AM EDT
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Gamma,
The company really has it all together. The quality standards are as tight as you can get. I know because I am responsible for that until my deployment. Each individual magazine is inspected prior to shipment and is guaranteed for manufacturer defect. If there is a manufacturing defect we will replace it at no charge.(it will probably come out of my paycheck, only kidding) As far as the S/S mag it is going through the most extensive testing we know how to do. It will again be test fired this weekend at Ft Bragg. The weight is 5.6 ounces and when put side by side with the aluminum mag you cannot tell the differnce. For all the teflon guys, it will be offered with the black teflon finish. |
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Posted: 12/6/2005 10:11:39 AM EDT
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Just kinda wondering out loud here, but do you think you guys might offer anything like a 40rder? I'm glad to see you guys are trying and it sounds like you have a top quality operation running there. I look forwaurd to seeing these stainless mags, and hope to see other CP products in the near future. WIZZO |
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Posted: 12/17/2005 1:09:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/17/2005 3:12:20 PM EDT
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CP is top notch. I have only been dealing with them a short while but I cannot think of a nicer more accomidating manufacturer!
-Mark |
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Posted: 12/17/2005 10:04:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/18/2005 7:47:33 AM EDT
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How do I know, when they will be available? I wish from Brownell´s, or may I order directly - from Europe?
H |
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Posted: 12/18/2005 7:57:04 AM EDT
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You are one of the few people on this board that I trust without question, so I await your range report. Let me know if these are ready for duty use out of the box. Thanks. |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 11:09:02 PM EDT
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A bit of a mini review.
I’ve had the opportunity to try out four of the new CP 30 round mags with the chrome silicone springs. Prior to live fire, I wanted to check the mags for fit in several different weapons. I pulled out a Bushmaster, a DPMS, a Colt and an Olympic Arms and test fit each mag in each weapon. Mag #1 didn’t drop free in the BM, Colt or OA. Mag #2 dropped free in all four. Mag #3 dropped free in all 4. Mag #4 was very tight and failed to drop free in all four. I counted on my fingers and toes and determined that out of 16 checks, the mags failed to drop free 7 times and dropped free the remaining 9 attempts, or about a 44% failure to drop free rate. Each of the mags properly engaged the bolt stop. I took the two mags that properly dropped free and put a bit over 300 rounds total through them. The test weapon was a well used Colt 6721 that has proven to be very reliable. Ammo used was Federal XM855PD, Winchester Q3131 and Q3131A. I experienced one fail to feed from the first round in a fully loaded mag. This was early on in the testing and never occurred again. The mag that experienced the failure also developed an unusual wear pattern on the rear of the right feed lip. It appeared that the bolt carrier was contacting the magazine and shaving off material on each pass. The contact area was about 3/8” long. The pic below isn’t the best, but it gives you an idea what I’m talking about. So what does this mean? It means I’ll continue to test them out. I was somewhat disappointed that two of the mags wouldn’t drop free regularly. It’s not the first time I’ve experienced this. I understand that when tolerances are stacked up just right such a thing can occur. 
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Posted: 12/20/2005 4:21:53 AM EDT
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Eric,
Thanks for your review of the magazines with chrome silicon springs. As a manufacturer all we can ask is the feedback you have given us. We are very disappointed in the tightness issue. You are correct that stacked tolerances can do this. Sometimes the mags are to the high side of the tolerance and the mag well to the small side. The dry coating applied to heavy can cause this also. Whatever the issue we will address it. We have a very tightly controlled QC for each lot and are able to trace each and every lot. We are pulling that lot that the mags shipped to you were taken from and doing the test proceedures outlined in our quality manual. We would like to contact you to discuss your tests. One positive note is that other then 1 misfeed which never occurred again they fired well. Please send back the mag that had the wear, we would like to do a complete dimensional check. Thanks CP |
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Posted: 12/20/2005 5:13:03 AM EDT
[#30]
Great review Eric. I got rid of my Center mags because they wouldn't drop free. I probably wouldn't be happy with these either.
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Posted: 12/20/2005 12:05:12 PM EDT
[#31]
This test represents too small of a sample to mean much. It merely is an indication on how a couple mags performed with only a small quantity of ammo. I've had dimensional issues with mags from just about every USGI manufacturer. As more CP mags make their way into the field, I'll be interested in feedback from others. What sets CP apart from everyone else so far is their willingness to take care of any issues that come up and their communication with the little guy. How many other magazine manufacturers are posting here? Most manufacturers only want to hear from you if your a vendor or gov agency preparing to buy a truckload of product. This does reinforce what I have said in the past, however. Test your mags prior to putting them into service. |
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Posted: 12/20/2005 2:16:49 PM EDT
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The feed lips appear to be wavy instead of straight front to back and along the top to bottom going back to front. Is this correct or just the way I am looking at the picture?
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Posted: 12/20/2005 5:19:53 PM EDT
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Eric,
Thanks again for the feedback. I think we are the only magazine ( 30 round 5.56/.223 ) manufacturer communicating on this web-site. We do this because for the most part we get factual, honest in your face feedback, good and bad. A couple of days ago, Tack Member replied with a concern over the possibility of fracturing in the lips of our stainless steel magazine. When we started the project that was a major concern of ours. We searched for the expert in the heat treat field and felt confortable with what we found. Tack quite frankly made us take another look at our findings, just to double check. That process is going on currently. Point is, we listen and we learn. The shooters on this site have raised the bar for what they find acceptable quality wise. We are trying to keep up with that level. As I said, constructive feedback is appreciated. We will continue to listen, reply and learn. CP |
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Posted: 1/7/2006 7:57:21 PM EDT
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Free mag giveaway HERE.
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Posted: 1/9/2006 7:04:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/9/2006 10:02:42 PM EDT
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A couple more quick range sessions and about 400 rounds later, zero problems. I'm working my way though another case of XM855PD. Ran it through a factory 20" Bushmaster and a 16" Oly Upper on a Mega lower. Just for grins, I dropped in a new MagPul grey follower in one of the mags.
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Posted: 1/10/2006 2:08:48 AM EDT
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Has anyone done cold weather testing yet?
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Posted: 1/10/2006 6:17:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/10/2006 11:33:37 PM EDT
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OK . Well some one keep me up to date . I hate buying stuff and finding out it doesn't work during the winter .
To be honest I am leery of these mags because of the last time they where available , but if they have everything worked out , well it is another American company to send money to . |
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Posted: 1/11/2006 3:53:03 AM EDT
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tag
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Posted: 1/12/2006 4:12:54 AM EDT
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UPDATE:
Creative Products' website is now accepting orders for magazines: www.cproductsllc.com. NOTE to Military and Law Enforcement Personnel: Creative products offers you a discounted price for these magazines ($7.90, $2.60 less than the standard price). Regards, Justin I forgot to mention that I am not sure if the Stainless Steel magazines are available yet. If you are interested, you may want to call and ask them. |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 10:20:55 AM EDT
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I have been lurking on the AK side and buildings AK's for the last couple of months and decided to take a trip over here. Glad I did... I just ordered 10 of these mags from the CP website and the price can't be beat.
Best of luck to you guys at Creative Products! thanks, Ron |
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Posted: 1/14/2006 11:32:21 AM EDT
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Suggestion for CP's next project: 20 round and 32 round 9mm mags!
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Posted: 1/14/2006 12:04:29 PM EDT
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It's closer than you may think!
CP |
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Posted: 1/14/2006 2:15:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/14/2006 3:55:09 PM EDT
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What's the difference between a chrome silicon and a regular spring? I'm rebuilding some USGI mags and was on CP's site. The springs are priced the same. Can someone enlighten me? |
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Posted: 1/14/2006 5:00:42 PM EDT
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AFAIK the CS springs will go through more compression cycles before failure. Mike |
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Posted: 1/14/2006 6:00:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/14/2006 11:02:09 PM EDT
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I didn't realize the mags were aluminum.
They look normal now considering that which is good. I think it would take the stainless mags and good results for me to want to buy from a new source. The stainless- my theory anyway is that it might eliminate dented feed lips around cartridge rims and reduce bent feedlips which are two stealth causes of Malfs. The steel would work too but why get involved with a product that requires constant corrosion protection. One nice thing about aluminum is being able to leave mags in wet web gear as it dries. |
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Posted: 1/15/2006 4:31:58 AM EDT
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As I understand it... All springs will take a set after the initial load/compression. Standard springs will take a bit more of a set with each compression cycle. The CS spring takes the initial set, but no further set after subsequent compressions. |
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