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Personally, I would prefer the short stubby right side lever to be thin like the longer right side lever. Being right handed I'd prefer it to be short & thin since I would want it not to interfere with my normal right handed grip. But that is just me.
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Personally, I would prefer the short stubby right side lever to be thin like the longer right side lever. Being right handed I'd prefer it to be short & thin since I would want it not to interfere with my normal right handed grip. But that is just me. I spoke to the owner of Battle Arms Development about that EXACT same issue. He said that he would start production of those and we can offer them as upgrade later. thanks, Ron |
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Quoted: What's the asking price? I'm going to guess $89.99. Let's see how close that is |
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What's the asking price? I'm going to guess $89.99. Let's see how close that is Battle Arms Development sells them for $60.00 but we are offering them for $57.95. thanks, Ron |
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do the screws come with loctite or do you provide your own? The units that I have don't have Loctite on them. thanks, Ron |
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Very cool, and while I think $60 is a fair price for the product, its still too rich for my taste...
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"Improved" and up priced charging handles, engraved ejection port covers, $ 100 plastic foregrips, billet lowers that add no increase in function beyond lightening the wallet, and now "modular" ambi safeties at twice the going price.
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"Improved" and up priced charging handles, engraved ejection port covers, $ 100 plastic foregrips, billet lowers that add no increase in function beyond lightening the wallet, and now "modular" ambi safeties at twice the going price. Are you being forced to buy these? Or is it that you believe that you can force your opinions about what's allowed on other people? |
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"Improved" and up priced charging handles, engraved ejection port covers, $ 100 plastic foregrips, billet lowers that add no increase in function beyond lightening the wallet, and now "modular" ambi safeties at twice the going price. If folks only knew how much it cost to make these The BAD-Ambi Safety Selector is all CNC machined, I was at the machine shop and it took about 5 minutes to turn a blank into a usable selector axis, and this is before deburring, heat treating and platting. Oh of course the levers, all three of them.... We have plans to go to injection one day to bring the price down, this will be offered along with CNC machined units, but we have no set schedule for it for the moment. In the plans as well, is the single lever only version. Our standard lever offers improvement over the tried and true USGI lever, in itself not an easy thing to accomplish. The single lever version will cost less as well. We can't and don't plan to compete with other MIM parts,, MIM is a different ball game. Battle Arms develops all the products it carries in its online store. I'm proud to say that every aspect of our design and manufacturing is done in the US. For a completely US designed and made product, we're pretty modest in pricing I'd like to thank Henderson Defense for believing in us and our project, Henderson Defense's participation and endorsement gave us the much needed moral boost in the rather tumultuous development cycle |
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Not bad, thanks
Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What's the asking price? I'm going to guess $89.99. Let's see how close that is Battle Arms Development sells them for $60.00 but we are offering them for $57.95. thanks, Ron |
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I would need to but one and try it first to decide what selector set up works best for me as far as what size on what side goes. Do you offer just the different size levers by themselves?
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Beware of the screws making them self permanent.
Every ambi-selector Ive ever owned required a drill to remove. |
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Beware of the screws making them self permanent. Every ambi-selector Ive ever owned required a drill to remove. Presuming that happens on every ambi safety. How often do you really need to remove it? |
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We use a stronger and larger screw with Torx head for this very reason. Whereas an Allen head screw would strip with thread locker set in, and I've seen enough of this happening, we chose the Torx screw to allow the user to properly tighten it, but more importantly, to resist cam-out and stripping the screw head when unscrewing it with thread locker applied.
I'm not Henderson Defense but I'll answer the question re: levers We'll be making extra levers shortly to fill the demand for them, they'll be priced very reasonably |
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I think its pretty neat. I do have a practical suggestion for their design. I think it would be even more appealing if they offered a Star Style Safety selector option. I put these on all of my rifles, especially the hunting ones because I find it easier to manipulate the safety quietly. Maybe he can offer a similar shape in the future. That might give me a reason to grab a few .
Here is the design I like for my hunting rifles. http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:vkXrbpL9H6rZfM:http://www.parallaxtactical.com/store/bmz_cache/8/896fe0055ac950abea63ad3ba31ea442.image.733x550.jpg We like the star lever as a non-ambidextrous lever, other than the obvious copy cat comments and potential law suit from RRA that prohibit us from making a similar selector lever, we don't think an FN FAL like lever, with a knob at the tip, is user friendly as far as ambidextrous use goes. For the "weak" side, the knob has to be of a taller profile than the lever for it to be of use, but if it's taller, it gets in the way. This isn't an issue for the "strong" side, until you switch grip to shoot from your weak side. We believed we could do a better job than others, all without copying from anyone's design, I think we had achieved that |
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Been waiting for something like this but the price is a bit high for me. I'll keep my eye on these though. Also, how are current selectors made (cnc, mold etc etc)?
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Everything but the screw and included Trox wrench is CNC machined
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Would it be possible, or have you thought of making the rotation 45 degrees instead of 90 degrees from safe to fire?
I find I have to re-adjust my grip to go from fire to safe, similar to pushing the mag release on a 1911 pistol. |
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Falcon,
We have considered the 45 degree selector early on as an option, this would be in addition to the standard 90 degree throw. We ultimately decided against it, at least for the time being, for the reasons below: 1. Training. Most people are familiar with the 90 degree throw on a semi AR, and 180 degree throw on a select fire AR, this is easy to overcome howerver. 2. Liability. No ARs come with complete 45 degree markings, this can be a liability and cause for law suits. We can do it still, but only on lowers with the proper markings. 3. Demand. The demand and subsequent sales may not cover development and manufacturing cost. |
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We will offer the option to mix and match levers, please email me [email protected] for more info.
In the product's initial introduction phase, we'd like to have folks try all three levers. It's not easy to tell which levers, configuration and mixture you like until you've tried them on your lower. We had the Solidworks drawings and know every intimate details about it, we had some preconceived notions on what configuration and levers we would like to use, only to be proven wrong once we had working prototypes installed. The key words are User Configurable. If a customer buys the kit with two levers, he would not be able to try all the possible configurations, therefore taking some options out of the User Configurable aspect. We will offer individual levers, and the selector axis itself, for folks that know what they want and probably have an extra lever they want to make use of |
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Do you have pics of them installed? How far do they stick out compared to the normal selector?
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+ for a short thin lvr i would not recommend that unless you don't mind your thumb slipping off. sure, it might be more comfortable and have less interference, but from my experience the thin lever needs the extra length (leverage) to rotate it properly. your thumb would slip off the lever if it were thin and short. the shorter the lever, the more force it takes to rotate it (even though it's a very small force), and needs more area for the thumb to gain purchase on. the short lever is the shortest that it can be made, and still manipulate it efficiently. the thin lever is the thinnest that allows decent purchase, but requires the length. short + thin is a no-go, IMHO. |
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As MM pointed out, a short and thin lever would critically impact usability, to the point of relegating it to an emergency selector (except there's no such a thing ) that's better than nothing.
The purchase on the thin lever is boosted by its length. Take that away, it'd be difficult for the thumb to find and manipulate. As stated, due to the lever pointing at 6 o'clock when set on Fire (semi auto receiver) or Semi (select fire receiver), it's not wholly possible to make a lever that's completely out of the way and remain functional. The thin lever is for folks that accept that they'll use it less than 5% of the time and are OK with its lower profile at the expense of reduced purchase. The short lever is, in my opinion, the best compromise possible, we put as much surface area on the lever and its tip as possible. A short lever in the USGI profile would not fare so well against our short lever. The design encourages the users to determine for themselves what works best for them. With the three levers that ship with the kit, and future option of acquiring levers separately to mix and match |
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Quoted: As MM pointed out, a short and thin lever would critically impact usability, to the point of relegating it to an emergency selector (except there's no such a thing ) that's better than nothing. The purchase on the thin lever is boosted by its length. Take that away, it'd be difficult for the thumb to find and manipulate. As stated, due to the lever pointing at 6 o'clock when set on Fire (semi auto receiver) or Semi (select fire receiver), it's not wholly possible to make a lever that's completely out of the way and remain functional. The thin lever is for folks that accept that they'll use it less than 5% of the time and are OK with its lower profile at the expense of reduced purchase. The short lever is, in my opinion, the best compromise possible, we put as much surface area on the lever and its tip as possible. A short lever in the USGI profile would not fare so well against our short lever. The design encourages the users to determine for themselves what works best for them. With the three levers that ship with the kit, and future option of acquiring levers separately to mix and match this was the idea. id use the fullsize thick for the left side of the gun, and the thin/short for the emergency backup. yall point on the ability to use them are very valid though. |
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The thin lever is sufficiently out of the way, the trigger finger can still, but barely feel its presence, which some folks like.
The thin lever can be shortened by the user, I'd actually be interested in seeing it. If you get a BAD-Ambi Safety Selector kit, please be sure to try it first, I believe you will come away being happy with the way it is without additional shortening |
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"Improved" and up priced charging handles, engraved ejection port covers, $ 100 plastic foregrips, billet lowers that add no increase in function beyond lightening the wallet, and now "modular" ambi safeties at twice the going price. AR15 bling - it's all the rage! Wait till the next MagPul DVD comes out with these things on them - then you MUST get them as much as A-list actors must have the latest gen iPhone |
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Falcon, We have considered the 45 degree selector early on as an option, this would be in addition to the standard 90 degree throw. We ultimately decided against it, at least for the time being, for the reasons below: 1. Training. Most people are familiar with the 90 degree throw on a semi AR, and 180 degree throw on a select fire AR, this is easy to overcome howerver. 2. Liability. No ARs come with complete 45 degree markings, this can be a liability and cause for law suits. We can do it still, but only on lowers with the proper markings. 3. Demand. The demand and subsequent sales may not cover development and manufacturing cost. i made one once. i figured out a way so the marking aren't really a problem... |
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I think the price is not too high considering how they are made right now.
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Considering the Norgon Ambi mag release is $85 to $89, the all CNC machined BAD-Ambi Safety Selector is priced below what it can command MIM/cast parts are not fair comparisons
We're shooters like our audience customers. For those of you that know me from the technical forums on ar15.com, you know I have qualit gear. Some are rather costly considering what they do. As a buyer with expensive tastes, $55 for a piece of gear that's flawlessly machined and finished, and works just the way I want it, is a bargain We could easily list it for $75 or $70 and there'd still be buyers, but we're conscientious people, profit isn't the goal for us, it's but a means to allow us to further development on more gear for AR15 and M14 platforms. |
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We could easily list it for $75 or $70 and there'd still be buyers, but we're conscientious people, profit isn't the goal for us, it's but a means to allow us to further development on more gear for AR15 and M14 platforms. come on now - that violates all that was learned in econ |
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I should rephrase, it isn't the only and most important goal for us
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Quoted: "Improved" and up priced charging handles, engraved ejection port covers, $ 100 plastic foregrips, billet lowers that add no increase in function beyond lightening the wallet, and now "modular" ambi safeties at twice the going price. Until it is your money people are spending, you should go elsewhere. Does other peoples decisions and their freedom to do so really bother you that much? |
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Live and let live, I say
Product development, patent attorneys, packaging, staff, rent, good service and warranty all cost money. Per unit cost is one thing, when all the other expenses are added up it's a different number. I suppose if we made these in China we'd be able to make them and sell them for less. We will never outsource anything under the BAD banner out of US soil. For every dollar we make, there's not one cent that goes out of the US. I understand not everyone cares our products are 100% made in the US, we do, as we provide engineers and manufacturing shops with more business in this lamentable economy, we take justifiable pride in it |
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STFU.
Quoted: "Improved" and up priced charging handles, engraved ejection port covers, $ 100 plastic foregrips, billet lowers that add no increase in function beyond lightening the wallet, and now "modular" ambi safeties at twice the going price. |
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I think what Duffy is saying is that, while they're out to make a profit, they aren't being greedy about it. They're in business, of COURSE they're out to make profit.
Those of you who are bitching about the price have obviously never done any sort of milling operation or fabricating before. A CNC machine doesn't run itself and shit out parts. Not to mention all of the design work. Oh, I guess the CNC faerie does that, right? Maybe you whiners should stick to the things you know, like drinking coffee, sitting in a chair, and typing. Duffy: That's a groovy piece of kit, and that's a good price. Don't sweat the knuckleheads. Some of us get it. |
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Thank you manghu67, we realize that unless our kit was the same price as the MIM/cast ambi safety selectors already out there, some folks may take exceptions to the MSRP, never mind that our kit and the symmetrical levers, MIM/cast kits are not directly comparable.
The only kit that comes close is Troy's, while featuring a new and pretty neat attachment method for the right lever, it offers none of our modularity and ergonomics. I have lots of Troy gear and respect their engineering prowess. In the case of the ambidextrous selector, Troy and Battle Arms Dev. were in parallel development and after the same goal, we just reached a different conclusion than they. We view most of the ambidextrous selectors as doing the minimum to get by and doing a "good enough" job with scant thought put into it. This is easy to see, it could not have escaped whoever came up with the symmetrical levers design that one lever will always interfere with the trigger finger. The only maker that made an attempt to address this is KAC on its PDW. We deem it a half way solution, the scalloped right side lever (about 50% of the length of the lever is thinned down) does what it's designed to do, but does nothing for left handed users. The modularity allows us to further develop more levers based on user input and demand. There soon will be not only additional standard, thin and short levers for separate purchase, but also a fourth and fifth design. Details haven't been finalized, but the fourth lever will most likely be a short-thin lever, we cannot discuss the fifth yet |
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Sounds very cool, Duffy.
I wish I had known about this before I bought an LMT ambi lever and scalloped the right side with a dremel. It turned out well, but I really like what you're doing with the serrated flat sides. The next time I put a lower together, It'll probably have one of these on it. If I like it enough I'll get one for my existing lower. Cheers and congratulations on bringing a product to market. |
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Thanks! You'll love it, guaranteed
I too Dremeled my USGI lever on the right, it makes it more tolerable, it could be better Careful with the Allen screw head if you use blue loctite on the screw |
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Ordered mine tonight. Must not be selling many, see they're on back order. LMAO. Can't wait to get it and replace a POC one I have on now. Great product for a lefty like myself. Get-er-done ! I'm ready for mine. Thanks !
PS. Oh by the way, as far as getting what you pay for, I am a living example of having a sack full of crap that is useless. Thought I was getting a real deal. WRONG ! |
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