Quoted:Quoted:Quoted:What makes a good barrel? A good advertisement or a good product?
Any one with a borescope can see the difference between a normal production barrel with chatter marks inside and a true lapped match grade barrel.
This is a list of true match grade barrels, not 3 gun match but benchrest match, Douglas XX could be added as a minimum match barrel.
If the barrels aren't on this list they aren't used by the best shooters to compete with and aren't considered real match barrels.
http://www.6mmbr.com/barrels.htmlWatch the video at the top of the page showing the difference between production and match grade barrels.
Most don't need match grade barrels but, don't be fooled by a good advertisement, anyone guaranteeing 1/4" groups is yanking your chain....the one attached to your wallet.
Noveske's barrels are Pac Nor
MSTN uses Douglas among others
PRI uses Douglas
We use Pac Nor, Hart, Krieger and Douglas
WOA uses some Shilen now
Compass Lake uses some Douglas
RGW has used Hart among others.
Have you ever shot one? Dont take my word for the accuracy, ill post some links to oly arms reviews. Most of these are for the rifles themselves but since the barrel is probably has the most influence on accuracy, you can expect similair resulsts if you use high quality components along with the barrel.
http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4694http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4694http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/product57.htmlHere is a quote from the last link
If you are searching for accuracy the UM-1 is recommended. It comes with our renowned Ultramatch broach cut stainless steel barrel chambered with minimum SAAMI reamers made by Clymer for optimum accuracy potential. We’ve seen ¼” groups and smaller when used with the proper load, bullets, and barrel.
This is the rifle SWAT Magazine called “the most accurate AR target rifle ever made.” The UM-1 comes standard with bull barrel and picatinny gas block. Also available as a completely assembled, headspaced, and test fired upper receiver unit
I really don't care what you buy, it will not effect me one bit just hate to see people mislead.
I owned one back in the early 90s for about 6 months sold it to buy a Douglas barrel chambered by Derick Martin at Accuracy speaks.
I have a 25wssm SUM and a .243 wssm CM now along with 6 or 7 Kriegers, about 12 Pac Nors and a few Harts.
I sold close to 200 custom AR15 barrels last year, 90 % were Pac Nor.
I am not saying they aren't accurate enough for most(especially if the owner is using factory ammo), just saying they aren't considered a match barrel by the comp crowd unless some use them for highpower.
Look at the bench rest match results and see if you can find anyone using one.
6mmBR is a no BS site, full of good solid info not erronet rumors.
This guy is absolutely, totally correct. And Lothar Walther is another manufacturers that is behind the curtain on a lot of these brands also.
There is so much hype and mis-information in the marketplace about the latest greatest state of the art barrel. Its all hogwash. A lot of the brands that people are purchasing are nothing special, and the technology on some of them deemed as the newest craze has been around since the 60s.
Double chrome lining is a play on words. Hard blue was a mess, the first batch did not go well. Cold hammer forged barrels can be matched by other technologies providing its done correctly, and yet its the latest rave?
You guys do know there are barrel technologies out there that exceed 49,000 rounds with amazing accuracy right, AR15 barrels? And still hold an outstanding MOA.
But the above posted is right, Pac Nor, Douglas, Krieger, Lilja, and Lothar Walther are behind the illusion of most of these other brands. Spend about a good 2 days, two fulls days, calling companies and you will see exactly whats really going. You will see who is behind almost every company represented here. Most roads lead back to 4 main manufacturers.
And in many cases going to the originating source clears up a lot of VERY bad information, and can save you money when you really see what your getting.
I mean I have heard it all in the last 16 hours of research: hammer forged, cold hammer forged, chrome lined, stainless, cryo treated, ion bonded, and a myriad of others.
Stop buying into the hype, its just a marketing game.