User Panel
User Panel
User Panel
|
Posted: 3/5/2006 3:54:29 AM EDT
THESE 12 INCH AND THE 16.1 INCH ARE NOW BOTH IN STOCK AND AVAILABLE IN THE EE OR GO DIRECTLY TO THE WEBSITE
This barrel came in with the other 6.8 16.1" Recon barrels that just arrived. I had this one done as a test piece and I got to tell you I like it. This makes a very handy length carbine with a lot more punch than 5.56. The barrel length is 12 inches and the Noveske KX3 makes it very pleasant to shoot. This is one of the 2 GLOBAL TACTICAL lowers that had a slight blem so it was perfect for a nice coat of Lauer Dura-Coat in Coyote Brown. Here are some pics of the build and the tech specs are at the bottom. RIGHT SIDE OF THE RIFLE  LEFT SIDE OF THE RIFLE  RECEIVER DETAIL   MUZZLE VIEW  A LITTLE DETAIL ON THE NOVESKE 6.8 SPC KX  TECH DETAILS AND PARTS USED GLOBAL TACTICAL LOWER CMT UPPER M4 CUT GTS 6.8 SPC 12.0 INCH BARREL THREADED 5/8X24, 1:11 TWIST, M4 RAMPS NOVESKE 6.8 SPC KX3 FLASH HIDER LARUE 9.0 RAIL, NEW MODEL WITH QD SLING SWIVEL MAGPUL M93 B WITH STRIKE PLATE AND SLING MOUNT MAGPUL MIAD GRIP LMT 2 STAGE TRIGGER WITH KNS PINS MAGPUL GEN II TRIGGER GUARD CMT LOWER PARTS KIT LARUE GAS BLOCK ENDINE CARBINE BUFFER EOTECH SIGHT ON A LARUE QD MOUNT TROY FRONT AND REAR BACK UP IRON SIGHTS. SPECIAL PAINT JOB BY ME IN LAUER COYOTE BROWN PRI 25 ROUND MAGAZINE DETAILS LENGTH OVER ALL STOCK CLOSED: 29 3/4" LENGTH OVER ALL STOCK EXTENDED: 33 5/8" HEIGHT FROM TOP OF EOTECH TO BOTTOM OF MAG: 11 1/2" BARREL CONTOUR: MEDIUM WEIGHT AS SHOWN WITH EOTECH, UNLOADED: 8.3 LBS This is currently the only barrel like it I have. I like the size and balance so I have orders a dozen more barrels just like it. The barrel material is 416 stainless. Just like the 6.8 SPC RECONS the rate of twist is 1:11. Barrel length is 12.0". All for now. When the weather permits I will range test it for accuracy and reliability. Range testing will be done with the irons and the EOTECH, no big ass scopes as this is designed as a CQB carbine. Denny RANGE REPORT I tested the 12 inch Recon 6.8 SPC today. I roughly zeroed a 2.5X10 NIGHTFORCE on a LaRue mount to check accuracy at 100 yards. The zero was rough as this is not this rifles primary optic, the EoTech is. Five shots at 100 yards with the Nightforce  Five shots at 100 yards with the Eotech.  Conditions were gusty winds and intermittent clouds. Ammo was Remington factory 117 Grain. Magazines were PRI 15 rounders. The rifle functioned 100 percent with no failures of any kind. I fired around 250 rounds. The KX3 did wonders for the back blast and this range is a good test as you are shooting in a concrete and plywood box. I was also shooting in a customers 14.5 witha Phantom and couldn't feel any more blast from the 12 inch 6.8 SPC than I did from the 14.5 5.56. Denny 4/2/06 |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/5/2006 6:07:30 AM EDT
[#1]
Sweet build.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/5/2006 6:55:49 AM EDT
[#2]
Denny, will the KFH work when one opts for a 12"rail?
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/5/2006 7:15:54 AM EDT
[#3]
Denny-
Remember, the name "IMP" is already taken by Colt. I'd hate to see GD go after you  wp |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/5/2006 7:23:27 AM EDT
[#4]
Is that a Midlength?
Would a 12" barrel work with a midlength? |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/5/2006 7:49:13 AM EDT
[#5]
Looks nice.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/5/2006 8:17:18 AM EDT
[#6]
That's one awesome looking carbine
 Love the Tan.J |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/5/2006 8:17:51 AM EDT
[#7]
Yes, it will. I opted for the 9" as this rifle will have a Surefire 6.8 silencer mounted when they come in and I need the exposed amount of barrel for the silencer mount. Denny |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/5/2006 8:19:17 AM EDT
[#8]
Carbine length gas system on this. A middy would most likely cause reliability problems unless it was a piston system. Denny |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/5/2006 9:37:48 AM EDT
[#9]
Very nice.
"Big fan of the tan." |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/5/2006 2:18:17 PM EDT
[#10]
Outstanding! This could be just the right medicine for urban combat. I've not shot a 6.8, so how's the recoil in that package? Would there be much of a handicap with follow up shots compared to 5.56?
And, I like the fire belching pig, reminds me of an aircraft I used to fly on... |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/5/2006 4:11:47 PM EDT
[#11]
Denny, middy 12" user checking in here. I've got 2 now, and they're both running 100% w/ SSA and Hornady factory ammo. If you want, I can IM you a gas port size range that's been working extremely well. |
||
|
|
|
Posted: 3/5/2006 5:12:28 PM EDT
[#12]
cool
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/5/2006 6:40:44 PM EDT
[#13]
E-mail sent...
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/6/2006 11:37:56 AM EDT
[#14]
Wow Denny !
Cool lookin' canon 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/6/2006 1:17:03 PM EDT
[#15]
Awesome SBR.
I posted the pics in Denny's picture thread at the AR Discussions forum (go to page 3). Denny's Guns/ Global Tactical Picture Thread link |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/6/2006 2:52:28 PM EDT
[#16]
Why would you run a 12" barrel with a 2" long
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/6/2006 4:02:18 PM EDT
[#17]
Because then you get to stick a Vortex on the end of it and get a 16" barrel. As for velocity, it's not meant to be a long range gun in the first place, the 6.8 pill coming out of that barrel has plenty of oomph to do what it needs to do... J |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/6/2006 4:51:38 PM EDT
[#18]
It is an SBR, the barrel doesnt have to be 16". It just seams silly to spend a bunch of money just to get the same overall length, more weight, and lower performance. |
||
|
|
|
Posted: 3/6/2006 5:06:33 PM EDT
[#19]
You miss the point, no it doesn't have to be 16", but it will be with a 14.5 and a vortex. I thought the point of the SBR was to make it as compact as possible, at least for a CQB weapon.
Jason |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/6/2006 5:52:53 PM EDT
[#20]
A 14.5 with a Vortex or Phantom will be in excess of 16" in overall barrel length. This little guy is 14.25" with the Krink. The Noveske KX3 is the best answer there is to muzzle blast out of shorties other than a silencer. There is a Surefire 6.8 silencer coming for this rifle. In fact I have several on order and I just ran into Standich at GA Precision this evening. The intended ranges of this carbine are from in your mouth to 150 yards or so. The 12" barrel will handle the killing power just fine in 6.8 SPC, especially loaded with 110 grain V-Max projo's. I disagree with the lower transmitted sound statement. A 14.5" with an A2 or other popular muzzle device is much louder than a shorty with the excellent Noveske developed KX3 blast mitigater, especially when you have others close by in your shooting vicinity. I seem to recall a comment from a Barrett armorer in a thread about a batch of 15 12.5" 6.8's built for some USMC FAST teams. I would assume they know what they are doing as well. One thing for sure the 6.8 SPC trumps 5.56 even with 77gr ammo inside of 100 yards in shorties. Denny |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/6/2006 8:09:04 PM EDT
[#21]
I would hardly call that little.
The irony is that the Noveske brake makes those shorties not so short
cool
I don't think this was ever in dispute.
Prove it. Since the Noveske brake is not a silencer and does not reduce sound it can't be quieter than any other flash hider. The brake may project sound but it certainly is not quieter than a 14.5" barrel and an A2 bird cage.
Post the comments.
That is wonderful but it does not change the fact that the Noveske brake is 2" long and makes a compact carbine not so compact. I know the Noveske brakes are the in thing right now but they are pretty silly when you think about what you are compromising. ETA:Here is some sound testing by RSilvers with an 11.5" barrel and a Repro Colt Moderator LINK |
|||||||
|
|
|
Posted: 3/6/2006 8:36:54 PM EDT
[#22]
J |
||||||||
|
|
|
Posted: 3/6/2006 9:08:41 PM EDT
[#23]
True, but the 14.5" barrel has better velocity, lower muzzle blast/flash, weighs less, and is basically the same size. I'm not saying the 12" 6.8 is bad, just that it is silly to hang a noveske off the end when you could get better performance in the same overall package.
A silencer is actually useful where as the Noveske just adds length and weight to the end of the rifle. If you are dying to add weight and length to the rifle why not make it count with either more barrel or a suppressor?
I never said there was velocity loss, I said that you get more velocity with from a longer barrel which ends up being the same length as the 12" plus the Krink.
Yes I have. I found it to be front heavy, needlessly long, and still just as loud as any other carbine on the range. I "perceived" that if I took off my hearing protection I would have permanent hearing loss which indicates to me that it is not of any real benefit as a noise reducer/moderator/mitigator/transducer/flux capacitor/ or any other slick marketing name you want to give it.
I'm not proposing that at all, I simply said that the krink brake is silly. The so called benefits it adds come at a cost of an additional 2" and a half a pound added to very end of the rifle. If this is OK then why not just ass two more inches of barrel? The whole reason for adding the krink brake is to aid in reliability and (supposedly) reduce the muzzle blast, both of which can be attained by adding more barrel...which coincidentally adds more velocity. If this gun is reliable without the krink then why put it on? and if it is so bad without it, why not use a longer barrel? |
|||||
|
|
|
Posted: 3/7/2006 4:44:50 AM EDT
[#24]
Ian
Here is quote from 50cal. A member since 2000 with 7,000 posts and a well respected Team Member on the board. I built 15 12.5" 6.8 uppers for one of the USMC FAST teams while working at Barrett. They shot great at 100m. I was surprised at the accuracy of the factory Remington 115g ammo from the 12.5" barrel. Denny |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/7/2006 5:14:11 AM EDT
[#25]
Tag for range report, Denny did you get my e-mail?
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/7/2006 6:27:16 AM EDT
[#26]
Maybe not. Call me at 816 809 9452 |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/7/2006 6:37:11 AM EDT
[#27]
Exactly, there is no indication that the muzzle blast is unbearable or that there is a problem with ballistics, so why add that boat anchor to the end? You built a great rifle, why compromise the overall package by adding 2" and half a pound to the end? |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/7/2006 7:07:20 AM EDT
[#28]
Ian This rifle is experimental. I configured it this way to test the effectiveness of the KX3 on this configuration. I will also test it with a Vortex, a PRI 6.8 Quite Comp and the Surefire can. Form follows function here. Denny |
||
|
|
|
Posted: 3/7/2006 7:10:03 AM EDT
[#29]
I would love to see the results, can you post them to this thread? Also, can you post weights and lengths? |
|||
|
|
|
Posted: 3/8/2006 5:54:02 PM EDT
[#30]
Nice
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/17/2006 12:28:23 PM EDT
[#31]
very nice looking forward to a review of this setup
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2006 10:11:42 PM EDT
[#32]
The Krink brake is approx. 1.25 of an inch longer than an A2 sup. and adds 5 ounces. In return, it directs muzzle blast away from you ears, and the ears of your team. It is useful in a limited number of circumstances, most of which involve working in teams. It also reduces muzzle rise noticeably. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/1/2006 4:40:08 AM EDT
[#33]
Prove it Jack  From Tim Lau's post on 10-8 www.10-8forums.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=19994&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1 "Guys, Some random observations: 1. One student had a Kahles 1.1-4x24, which is externally similar to the S&B Short Dot. The first thing I noticed was that despite published statistics, the Kahles was just about an inch longer than the Short Dot when compared back to back. Eye relief is much less forgiving on the Kahles, and on this example, the illumination was not working. 2. Two bolt carrier keys came loose as they were unstaked (or had very weak stakes) from the factory. Since I had one of Ned Christiansen's Mother of All Carrier Key Stakers on hand, I ended up staking half a dozen carrier keys. Even the excellent CMT/Stag Arms bolt carriers have relatively weak stakes. 3. One student's Bushmaster bolt broke at the cam pin hole. If the bolt is going to break, it will usually break here or shear the first lug adjacent to the extractor. While MP/proof testing does not guarantee anything, we have certainly seen fewer failures in factory Colt bolts than any other brand. 4. Another student's Bushmaster somehow had it's buffer retaining pin pop out into the fire control assembly. The tip was sheared off and the retaining pin spring also fell into the action. 5. A Winchester cartridge somehow made it out of the factory with no flash hole. The primer popped out of the pocket and fell into the action. The case stuck in the chamber and a portion of the rim was sheared off. 6. An LMT MRP had a gas tube so crooked it mangled the carrier key, breaking a piece of it off. 7. Most students seemed to agree that the effect of the Noveske KX3 in throwing sound forward was impressive. Tim" |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/1/2006 12:37:49 PM EDT
[#34]
In addition to extensive experience with Colt Commandos and Mk18's, I suspect we have had more time shooting short barrel 6.8 mm carbines than about anyone else. If suppresors, like the Surfire "shorty" can (FA556K) are not used, we have found the Noveske KFH/KX3 flash hiders that clearly direct sound and blast away from the shooter and teammates to be the overwhelming preference on 10-12" barrel 5.56 mm and 6.8 mm weapons. The Noveske's are used not because they are the latest fad or "in thing", but because they improve the tool and the ability to successfully complete the mission...
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/1/2006 1:48:36 PM EDT
[#35]
What exactly are you not agreeing with? C_J's comments echo Lau's. It's also kinda funny... Combat_Jack was in the class cited in your link. He was running the MRP with the gay gastube. DocGKR, IIRC the standard Surefire M4FA will work with a 12.5" barrel if one uses a 9" rail. BTW, anyone loading 6.8 ammo with bonded bullets yet? The SSA ProHunter loads are pretty nice for intermediate barrier penetration, but I'm thinking a bonded bullet (or an AMAX loading) would hold up to auto glass a tad bit better. |
||
|
|
|
Posted: 4/1/2006 1:56:36 PM EDT
[#36]
Cap'
I'm joking on the "Prove it" thing. I posted the Tim Lau comments for further evidence that many think the krink does work, that's all. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/1/2006 2:09:12 PM EDT
[#37]
Doh! Sorry bro, all of the jackassery from industry trolls ragging on products that have a specific purpose has just got me pissed lately. It's funny now that I know you were joking
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/1/2006 2:12:29 PM EDT
[#38]
No problemo! "Tone of voice" is a bitch to convey sometimes on the 'net. Anyway...COOL rifle Denny!!!!!!!!!! |
||
|
|
|
Posted: 4/2/2006 4:32:39 AM EDT
[#39]
She is going to the range today if it dosen't storm. I am going to do a little accuracy test with a 2X10 Nightforce on her.
Denny |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/2/2006 2:13:19 PM EDT
[#40]
Short range report added.
Denny |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/3/2006 4:06:18 AM EDT
[#41]
Great build. I have two questions. The first being, how many inches in front of the gas system was the muzzle. And secondly, did you shoot it with a normal flash hider for reliabilty issues.Thanks
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/8/2006 3:43:07 PM EDT
[#42]
NOW AVAILABLE IN 16 INCH AND 12 INCH.
dENNY
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/16/2006 2:01:26 AM EDT
[#43]
Question to Mr. Dennysguns, For those of us that would want to own a 16" in total length, for legal reasons, what barrel options would work best, say with a permantly mounted Krink for 6.8? Or will that even be an offering? |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/16/2006 1:01:52 PM EDT
[#44]
A barrel needs to be 13.6" plus the KX3 to make 16". A 14.5 with carbine gas system cut to 13.6" would be the best option to make 16.1" with a KX3 permanently attached. Denny |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/21/2006 6:28:05 PM EDT
[#45]
|
|
|
Win a FREE Membership!
Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!
You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.
AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types.
From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm.
Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more.
Copyright © 1996-2024 AR15.COM LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.
AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own.
