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Posted: 7/7/2005 11:48:30 AM EDT
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GJ, you've got close-up photos of the targets, got any of the gun itself?
 Also, do you have a decibel reading of how loud the gun is with the suppressor, or just a ball-park comparison to something? Did you try any other loads than 77gr and what were the results? You say the suppressor was "purpose built for the short barrel." How does it differ from a standard suppressor? John |
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Posted: 7/8/2005 11:16:53 PM EDT
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Grendelizor,
Here's are some test results we had in Phoenix, AZ. We did some chrono testing of our 5.56mm O.C.C., 9.25" gas piston upper/weapon system. Here are our results: 9 ¼ POF Chrono Data Conditions: (June), Sunny day, Temp 85*F-95*F Phoenix, AZ. Equipment: CED Millennium Chronograph 9 1/4" w/Vortex Distance 10ft Green tip 62gr- 2506,2439,2463,2486,2450 Ave 2468fps BH 77gr- 2317,2306,2339,2332,2331 Ave 2325fps 9 1/4" w/Krink 7.62 cone Distance 10ft Green tip 62gr- 2447,2413,2406,2444,2419 Ave 2425fps BH 77gr- 2315,2298,2309,2307,2305 Ave 2306fps Rock River 16.5 Distance 10ft Green tip 62gr- 2889,2905,2911,2890,2885 Ave 2896fps BH 77gr- 2674,2682,2681,2673 Ave 2677fps We are very happy with our results of our O.C.C. weapon system. It's the same weight and lenght of and MP-5 with alot more punch!  Best regards, Frank Patriot Ordnance Factory (POF-USA)  |
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Posted: 7/10/2005 5:35:34 AM EDT
[#3]
Frank-
Any links to more info on this system- cost/availability etc? I just got SBR paperwork approved...... |
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Posted: 7/10/2005 11:37:47 AM EDT
[#4]
how are barrel length and group size related?
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Posted: 7/14/2005 7:36:25 PM EDT
[#5]
I'm still curious about this......
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Posted: 7/14/2005 11:52:29 PM EDT
[#6]
Sorry for the delay. been very busy. Our price for our 5.56mm O.C.C. (Offensive Compact Carbine), 9.25" gas piston upper is $975.00 retail Come standard with: Rock Creek 1:7 twist, 4150 matl. 9.25" heavy fluted chrome lined barrel (Barrel wt. 1 1/8 LBS.) Feed ramp extended cuts on barrel extention and upper receiver C.R.O.S. (Corrosion Resistant Operating System), the entire operating system is hard chrome plated (barrel, gas block/tube, gas plug, gas piston, bolt carrier assemble) Full-auto or Semi-auto chrome plated carrier Vortec flash hider Predator P-4X Sling.bi-pod swivel mount Removable fixed front site Ergo/Magpul Ladder rail cover 7075 forged flat top upper receiver Billet charging handle Current options: Troy Ind. flip up front and/or rear battle sites are optional. 4 pcs Krink flash hider is optional. Best regards, Frank Patriot Ordnance Factory (POF-USA) www.POF-USA.com   |
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Posted: 7/15/2005 7:07:43 AM EDT
[#7]
My topend should arrive early next week!!! I got the call from Frank Wed. I ended up speaking with Chris about the details!! Very top notch guys over there! If there service is any kind of indicator of there product I will be very pleased!!!
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Posted: 7/15/2005 11:11:15 AM EDT
[#8]
This is a nice system any plans for 6.8 SPC or 6.5 Grendel?
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Posted: 7/18/2005 2:06:42 AM EDT
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Yes. Other calibers will be available. 6.5 Grendel currently in talks with Bill Alexander. 6.8 SPC once factory ammo with pressure load data is available from the factory. The ammo and spec's must be available so we can test and qualify every upper/rifle we manufacture before they are shipped. Best regards, Frank Patriot Ordnance Factory (POF-USA) www.POF-USA.com |
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Posted: 7/18/2005 4:31:01 PM EDT
[#10]
How do you keep from getting baffle strikes with such a short barrel? I know that most of the major suppressor companies will not usually warranty baffle strikes if you're using less than a 10.5" barrel. What's different about this case?
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Posted: 7/18/2005 6:26:24 PM EDT
[#11]
Just got my upper from POF today and Im really impressed. I havent shot it yet and will not get to until the weekend but the quality and design of the whole upper is very nice! Thanks Chris and Frank for such a nice product!
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Posted: 7/18/2005 11:09:54 PM EDT
[#12]
Please contact Mike Brown of Jet Suppressors. www.jetsuppressors.com There number is (361) 758-9381. He can go over all the questions you have about baffle strikes and he warranties his suppressors using our 9.25" gas piston uppers. Hope this information helps. Best regards, Frank Patriot Ordnance Factory (POF-USA) www.POF-USA.com |
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Posted: 7/19/2005 9:05:01 AM EDT
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I have just picked up a 16" POF-USA upper with the 9.0 Predator on it. Impressive looking, fairly light weight.
I placed it on a Bushy lower. The POF is finished in black so it's not a perfect match with the dark gray Bushy. No biggie! I put 60-rds through it last night just to get my ML3 sighted in. Accuracy was hard to gauge since I was shooting a red dot against a red scope target. 25-yd (easy to aim on red target) resulted in 10 shots in a 1" hole. 50-yds was closer to 1.5" for ten excluding some flyers caused by me. Ammo was Fed XM193. I'll do a full write-up with photos once I can put some rounds downrange with better targets. I highly recommend the upper and am planning to buy a 14.5" M4 style from POF-USA sometime soon. Good product! |
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Posted: 7/20/2005 12:58:19 PM EDT
[#14]
Can you use any standard rail system with the gas piston set-up or only the predator rail system? Is it considerably heavier? Does the piston affect felt recoil? On the OCC, how does the higher top rail affect stock-cheek weld? Like many people, I'm hesitant to drop the $$$ for something I've never shot. |
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Posted: 7/20/2005 4:58:19 PM EDT
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i just saw that thing in shotgun news.badass!!no sbr's for alabama
 . mg's and suppressors, okay maybe get sound tech to permanently attach M-can.
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Posted: 7/20/2005 7:12:11 PM EDT
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I got to shoot my POF equiped rifle today. ALthough it was brief and it was not at the range, I was very pleased. It shot smooth, stone reliable and very accurate for just plinking at cans into the water. The kick is slightly different than the direct gas impingement. Its not really more just a little different.
Only the face of my bolt had any carbon on it. Everything else was clean. Of course the piston was slightly dirty. Very easy to clean though. Pull the plug out of the gas block and everything just comes out. I shot about 100 rounds with zero malfunctions. I will be shooting some more at my range later in the week. Once again between dealing with the guys over at POF and the product they sold me, I couldnt be happier! Worth every cent! |
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Posted: 7/23/2005 8:27:30 PM EDT
[#17]
Shot the POF upper again today. Its the 14.5 fluted m4 barrel with a pinned A2 flash hider. The rail is the P-9x mid length. This thing is really sweet! I shot it with a standard heavy buffer and the recoil is slightly more than a similar direct gas system weapon. After I put the MGI buffer in, it was smooth and straight. I put about 200 rounds through it and didnt have any malfunctions at all. The scope I am using has a problem but as far as the mechanics of this gas piston system, this is a step forward for the Ar15 rifle. Other than the face of the bolt, everything stayed very clean. The piston itself gets a little dirty but that to be expected.
Also the bolt carrier stayed much cooler during sustained fire. We compared it to my Dads after shooting a full 30 round magazine and I could still hold my carrier in my hand. His , you could not touch! To say that Im impressed is an understatement! I have no regrets after buying this upper. The guys at POF are great and easy to talk to and there product seems to be just as good! |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 7:51:06 PM EDT
[#18]
SRTM4,
Thanks. We appreciate your business. By the why, where's the pictures? Best regards, Frank Patriot Ordnance Factory (POF-USA) www.POF-USA.com |
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Posted: 7/27/2005 9:32:13 PM EDT
[#19]
Thanks for your business!  Do you have any cool pics? Best regards, Frank Patriot Ordnance Factory (POF-USA) www.POF-USA.com |
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Posted: 7/28/2005 3:49:24 PM EDT
[#20]
I can build a pretty evil ar-15 but Im to stupid to post pictures! I can email a couple to someone if they would like to post them?? |
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Posted: 7/28/2005 6:49:53 PM EDT
[#21]
No problem. Send me a email. Thanks, Frank |
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Posted: 7/29/2005 5:49:46 PM EDT
[#22]
How the hell to you upload pictures?? I have some POF eye candy I would like to throw on here....
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Posted: 7/29/2005 6:03:57 PM EDT
[#23]
POF eye candy is sexy!!!
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Posted: 7/29/2005 7:09:47 PM EDT
[#24]
Well let's see them pics...
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Posted: 7/29/2005 7:36:28 PM EDT
[#25]
Forward me an email so I can upload you pictures with SRTM4's pics. Our email address is: [email protected] Frank |
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Posted: 7/31/2005 7:14:06 PM EDT
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SRTM4'S 14.5" GAS PISTON RIFLE  [1]28.jpg)
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Posted: 8/1/2005 8:39:48 AM EDT
[#27]
SSSSSSEEEEEXXXXYYY!!!
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Posted: 8/1/2005 10:23:38 AM EDT
[#28]
SRTM4, is the flash-hider permanently attached? It is an A2 birdcage, isn't it? Hard to tell.
Also, isn't that the Valdada scope? Do you have a good source for those? Who'd you get it from and about how much? John |
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Posted: 8/1/2005 3:30:33 PM EDT
[#29]
Yeah, its permantly attached. Its pinned and then tack welded. And then cut back down and refinished with a small shot of Gun Kote!
I got the scope from SWFA. They were in stock and shipped out very quickly. I paid $599 for it. The scope is great. Super clear glass and nice illuminated recticle. To me , I have the perfect combination. This weapon is smooth, reliable, ergonomic and best of all Sexy! Thanks Frank for getting that pic up for me. |
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Posted: 8/1/2005 8:51:53 PM EDT
[#30]
Your welcome. |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 2:32:59 PM EDT
[#31]
okok, i'll try to send the pics to ya tonight......thanks a heap..
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Posted: 8/4/2005 5:21:49 PM EDT
[#32]
Yeah! It would be nice to see some more POF weapons!
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Posted: 8/5/2005 6:16:03 AM EDT
[#33]
Pictures sent ..
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Posted: 8/5/2005 7:59:32 AM EDT
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SRTM4, it looks like you've got the Surefire Nitrolon flashlight attached. What unit are you using to attach that light to your rails? Is it in a good position for your thumb to operate?
Also, I know it's a Surefire, but I don't know if it's built as tough as the others to take a weapon's recoil. How is it holding up and are you at all worried about it guts shaking loose from repeated recoil? John |
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Posted: 8/5/2005 3:57:12 PM EDT
[#35]
Here's a picture of: FDAWG 14.5" Gas Piston rifle 
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Posted: 8/5/2005 5:52:43 PM EDT
[#36]
Grendelizor, thats exactly what it is. The light works fine. Its mounted to the VLTOR flashlight mount. Very neat and inexpensive mount. It would be better to have it wired down to the foregrip. I have an M95 anchored to another ar15 right now. Im thinking about putting it on. I was holding off to see how reliable the POF was! Thats not an issue anymore. The POF doesnt miss a lick! It will graduate to my home defense rifle here soon. About being worried about recoil damaging the light? Hmmm. Never had that problem before and I have had this particular light on a couple of my AR's. And now that I have the MGI buffer and Wolf heavy recoil spring, recoil is smooth as silk!!!! Oh and if you look closely youll notice that the flashlight is mounted on the left hand side. Im right handed but shoot left handed. I wear my single point sling on the opposite side too. |
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Posted: 8/5/2005 5:55:21 PM EDT
[#37]
FDAWG, The weapon is Looking Sweet!!!!!!
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Posted: 8/5/2005 9:31:25 PM EDT
[#38]
Thanks for uploading that pic Frank!
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Posted: 8/5/2005 9:33:58 PM EDT
[#39]
very nice rifles
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Posted: 8/6/2005 9:01:47 AM EDT
[#40]
SRTM4 and Fdawg,
I've read that the POF is somewhat nose heavy. What do you think of the weight and balance of the rifle? |
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Posted: 8/6/2005 6:17:26 PM EDT
[#41]
Posted By abnsfc: SRTM4 and Fdawg, I've read that the POF is somewhat nose heavy. What do you think of the weight and balance of the rifle? By looking at it you would think that it is front heavy. Honestly ,I cant say that it is. The predator rail is bulky and at first I didnt know if I was going to like it. I was wrong. Even with the Knights rail panels it has a great feel. I have a daniels defense and a knights rail on my other 2 blasters and they seem small now. The gas piston parts cannot weigh that much because there is so little there. Very simple! The way I like it!! Less to break. Even from adding the gas piston and the predator rail, this thing is very well balanced!!! Did I mention I love this thing!! 
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Posted: 8/7/2005 10:12:28 AM EDT
[#42]
Excellent info, thnak you. I do get the vaguest sense that you love the POF.
Okay, I'm in contrast-compare mode now. The LW system uses a piston spring and retains the gas rings on the bolt to help stabilize it . The POF uses neither of these. Why did POF eliminate those parts? I'm not trying to re-kindle the flames of previous threads (I own neither system), I'm just trying to decide which system to buy for a coming home present to myself. Mike |
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Posted: 8/7/2005 11:32:26 AM EDT
[#43]
Hey Man, I do love my POF. Thats the one I would recommend only because it works, its simple, and I own one! I think that the LW would also be a very good choice. It looks well designed and probably works as advertised. Id like to get one sooner or later. Ive added return springs to the POF pushrod. They work. They actually help with felt recoil just a little. After trying a few different types and sizes, I decided to go back to the way POF sold it to me. The springs did not make enough difference to justify having them. This keeps the system very simple and less chances of things breaking. My current setup is the MGI Rate reducing buffer, a Wolfsprings extra heavy recoil spring , and a D-ring for extraction. This weapon is 100% reliable with even Wolf ammo. DO I need all of this? NO! The POF ran fine without these extra options. I now have a very reliable , accurate, and smooth as snake shit shooting rifle! 
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Posted: 8/7/2005 11:42:03 AM EDT
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Honestly my POF is slighty nose heavy, this was solved by using a Vltor stock and milspec tube. I have good balance and have zero problems handling the rifle. POF customer service is beyond reproach and I would say they are the most customer friendly seller/manufacturer in the nation. The rifle is WELL worth the money. I love the POF lower, comes standard with TD grips, pictograph safe/fire and ambi selector... awesome.....
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Posted: 8/7/2005 12:10:03 PM EDT
[#45]
Thanks for your honest input. I gotta admit, the POF has a big "Bang for the Buck" factor.
Mike |
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Posted: 8/15/2005 8:54:51 AM EDT
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If you don't mind me asking, what did you pay for the complete rifle (and I'm assuming you got it direct from POF-USA since I can't seem to find a vendor/retailer for them)? Their website says "Retail" is $975 on the upper, but doesn't give me even a clue about the lower's price. Looking at other lowers out there, I'm guessing in the $400-500 range. Is this accurate or a pipe dream? Thanks, Sean |
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Posted: 8/16/2005 10:27:29 AM EDT
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1500 price point will get you a better version then I have! Frank now can make the rail over the gas block like the HK... so, this would be a 14.5 POF upper CROS /w Troy rear, POF lower, picto /w TD grip and a troy front flip... That would look very similar to the HK you are trying to replicate.... add some nifty high speed items and some HK mags and you have essential the same rifle with long stroke piston and you saved 1500-2000 dollars, heck you can almost by two POF's for the price of 1 HK if you can even get a semi lower......Plus HK service sucks......Peace-Fdawg
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Posted: 8/17/2005 11:11:52 PM EDT
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Can you please give me the cost and turnaround time for the SBR piston upper pictured in your ad, minus the vortex and adding an A2 in its place?
I am referring this ad, the upper on the carbine at the bottom row of weapons www.pof-usa.com/POFAdNew%5B1%5D.jpg |
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Posted: 8/18/2005 6:38:09 AM EDT
[#49]
What kinda Accuracy are these getting ? Sub MOA ?
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Posted: 8/18/2005 7:37:49 AM EDT
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Actually, after talking with Chris over at POF, it doesn't look like they can do the full length rail over a 16" barrel.....or at least he and the email I received from Frank didn't sound like it was possible....only mid-length. Not sure I'm clear as to why b/c if the midlength rail covers the gas block and clears it, then a longer, full length rail should as well. **EDIT** But maybe I misunderstood and their mid-length stops before the gas block?? I'm not entirely sure now.** I'm in contact with L-W now as well......and it seems they'll be able to make something much more like the HK (as far as looks) and a system that is *possibly* better than the HK (at least if you believe what was written about them going farther in the SCAR testing than the HK). Currently, they can't make a full length rail version b/c they don't have the rail system yet from Grenadier Precision, but I've been in contact with them as well and they are not only working on that, but possibly even HK style sights. Guess I'll just have to be patient and wait for these new products to become available before I buy. That's probably okay though, b/c I still have plenty to learn. HTH, Sean |
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