7 rounds will fit in a 5.56 mag, but the mag body will deform.

There will be plenty of replacement 5.56 mag bodies available to fix the problem.

Patience, grasshopper...

Rest assured, good people.

We will have affordable 6.8 SPC uppers available soon. These will be from White Oak Armament, and built on RRA receivers. They will be TOP quality.

We'll also offer barrel/bolt combos.

Details are in the works.

KMFDM -

SINCE WE ARE THE ONLY FOLKS OTHER THAN PRECISION REFLEX WHO ACTUALLY HAVE BUILT UPPERS IN 6.8 SPC AND OFFERED THEM FOR SALE HERE, AND WE'RE THE ONLY FOLKS TO OFFER SPR'S CONFIGURED CORRECTLY, I THINK IT IS SAFE TO ASSUME THAT THAT YOUR COMMENTS ARE DIRECTED AT OUR SPR AND 6.8 SPC UPPER PRICING.

NO OFFENSE TAKEN HERE, BUT A RESPONSE IS WARRANTED.

SINCE I HAVE A VERY GOOD IDEA WHO YOU ARE AND WHAT YOU DO FOR UNCLE SAM, IT IS NOT AT ALL DIFFICULT FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND WHY YOU FEEL THAT WAY. BUT, KEEP IN MIND:

1. NOT EVERYONE HAS YOUR EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE OF SUCH THINGS THAT YOU APPARENTLY TAKE FOR GRANTED. I HAVE A CUSTOMER WHO IS A CARDIOLOGIST. HE SAYS OPEN HEART SURGERY IS NOT AS DIFFICULT AS GETTING A BARREL CLEAN. MAYBE FOR HIM, IT'S NOT. HE STILL CHARGES FULL PRICE FOR HIS WORK.

2. YOU ARE UNDERPAID IN TODAY'S MARKET FOR WHAT YOU DO AND WHAT YOU KNOW. THAT'S WHY THE MILITARY IS OFTEN REFERRED TO AS "THE SERVICE". I GET PAID A LOT MORE FOR FLYING A B-727 COMMERCIALLY THAN I EVER DID FOR FLYING AN A-4 FOR THE MARINE CORPS. MAYBE THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S NOT AS MUCH FUN.

3. NO ONE ELSE HAS GONE TO THE TROUBLE AND EXPENSE OF ACQUIRING OPS INC MILITARY BRAKES AND COLLARS FOR THE SPR'S. MAYBE WE JUST GOT LUCKY.

4. NO ONE ELSE HAS THE CORRECT SPR AND 6.8 SPC BARREL DIMENSIONS, SAVE THOSE WHO HAVE PURCHASED THEM. LUCK AGAIN?

5. NO ONE ELSE HAS THE CORRECT SPR OR 6.8 SPC GAS PORT SIZE, SAVE THOSE WHO HAVE PURCHASED THEM. THE LATTER WE HAD TO DEVELOP ON OUR OWN. NO LUCK INVOLVED.

6. FRANK WHITE OF COMPASS LAKE PERSONALLY CHAMBERS AND HAND-FITS A BOLT EVERY ONE OF OUR SPR BARRELS. DAVE DUNLAP OF PRECISION REFLEX PERSONALLY DOES THE SAME TO EACH OF OUR 6.8 SPC BOLTS. THE 6.8 SPC BOLTS ARE ALSO MADE INDIVIDUALLY FROM 5.56MM BOLTS TO CRITICAL TOLERANCES.

I SUBMIT TO YOU THAT FRANK WHITE AND DAVE DUNLAP ARE NOT "ANYBODY WITH A LATHE, A FEW TOOLS, AND HALF A BRAIN".

YOU CAN CERTAINLY SAY OR THINK WHATEVER YOU WANT ABOUT ME, OUR PRODUCTS, OR OUR PRICES. MY SUPPLIERS ARE AMONG THE VERY BEST IN THE BUSINESS. THAT'S WHY OUR STUFF WORKS.

7. WHAT UNCLE SAM PAYS FOR 500X COMPONENTS IS QUITE A BIT LESS THAN WHAT WE PAY FOR THEM. FOR EXAMPLE, PRICE OUT A COMPASS LAKE MATCH GRADE BARREL WITH FITTED BOLT. HAVE THEM SHIP IT TO COATING. PAY FOR SHIPPING. PAY FOR COATING. HAVE THE BARREL THEN SENT YO YOU. PAY FOR SHIPPING. SEND THE BARREL BACK TO COATING BECAUSE YOU AREN'T HAPPY WITH IT. PAY FOR SHIPPING SOME MORE.

AND THEN THERE'S AMMO.

8. IF YOU SCRATCH THE FINISH ON THE BARREL INSTALLING THE FRONT SIGHT/GAS BLOCK/BARREL COLLAR, YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT. OURS GET TO MAKE THE TRIP BACK TO AND FROM COATING OR BEAD-BLASTING.

9. IF OUR SPR BARRELS DO NOT SHOOT 5-SHOT SUB-MOA GROUPS, WE DO NOT SHIP THEM. WE GO TO ANOTHER BARREL, IN THE VERY RARE CASE [ONE] THAT THIS HAPPENS. IT WAS NOT A COMPASS LAKE BARREL, BTW, BUT ONE FROM ANOTHER VENDOR WE NO LONGER USE.

10. "HIGHWAY ROBBERY"? WE GET THE OCCASIONAL BARB FROM OUR COMPETITORS REGARDING THE SAME ISSUES YOU HAVE BROUGHT UP. SOMETIMES FOLKS POST THAT OUR STUFF IS, EXPENSIVE, TOO EXPENSIVE. I DO NOT DENY THAT THE UPPERS ARE PRICEY. NOT EVERYONE CAN JUSTIFY SUCH A PURCHASE. BUT, I DO FEEL THAT OUR CUSTOMERS GET WHAT THEY PAY FOR. THEY ARE NOT COMPLAINING.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU: [B]HOW DID YOU KNOW ABOUT MY VOODOO RITUAL?[/B] NOW, THE PRICE OF HOUSECATS IS GOING TO GO THROUGH THE ROOF.

BY THE WAY, OUR SPR UPPERS COST ABOUT $1000 LESS THAN THE GOV'T ENDS UP PAYING FOR THEIRS. AND THEY BUY THEM, AS YOU WELL KNOW, IN BIG NUMBERS.

WES

If rifles were cars, Wes would be the Ferarri dealer who gets your car in a custom color with custom interior and additional performance mods already installed.  Yes, his cars would be expensive, and he would sell relatively few, but he would virtually own his market, and his customers would be very happy.

AR15fan's point, which is valid, is that not everyone needs or wants a Ferarri as a daily driver.  But, just like Honda or Toyota, bigger companies like Bushmaster and Colt need to be sure there is going to be a large market for anything new they come out with, or it isn't worth the investment.  Thus, the "wait and see" disposition.

I think the market will be vastly different in 6-8 months.

-Troy

We have a few barrel blanks and bolts on order, 6.8 reamers in hand, and hope to have a few not-so-exotic uppers available in a few weeks.

Leitner-Wise will be offering their one-piece upper in 6.8 very soon.

DPMS was asked to work with the 6.8, and may be offering uppers at some point.

KMFDM-

YOUR POINTS ARE WELL TAKEN, ESPECIALLY ON YOUR FRUSTRATION AT NOT BEING ABLE TO GET THE WEAPON SYSTEM INTO THE HANDS OF THOSE FOR WHICH IT WAS DESIGNED.

I STILL DISAGREE WITH YOUR "HALF A BRAIN" THEORY. YOU ARE SHORT-CHANGING YOURSELF AND TALENTED OTHERS WHO ARE REALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS CARTRIDGE BY DOING SO.

THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE 6.8 SPC IS IN MANY WAY SMALL-ARMS EQUIVALENT OF AIR FORCE COL. JOHN BOYD'S DEVELOPMENT OF HIS "ENERGY-MANEUVERABILITY" STUDY AND SUBSEQUENT WORK. READ THE BIOGRAPHY OF JOHN BOYD [TITLE: "BOYD"] TO READ ABOUT WHO WILL BE REMEMBERED BY HISTORY AS THE MOST INFLUENTIAL MILITARY MIND OF THE 20TH CENTURY.

NO, MSTN IS IN NO WAY, SHAPE, FORM, OR FASHION RESPONSIBLE FOR ONE SINGLE ASPECT OF THE 6.8 SPC. WE NEVER CLAIMED TO BE.

WE JUST THINK THE 6.8 SPC IS A NEAT IDEA. WE DID DO SOME RATE OF FIRE TESTING WITH VARIOUS GAS PORT SIZES PLUS SOME INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL BALLISTIC WORK FOR PRECISION REFLEX, INDIRECTLY FOR REMINGTON. PAUL E., MY ASSOCIATE, HAS VISITED REMINGTON AMMO PLANTS ON TWO OCCASIONS TO LEND HIS EXPERTISE ON THE ROUND AND THE AR' FAMILY OF WEAPONS.

BECAUSE WE ARE SHOOTING ENTHUSIASTS AND FEEL THE 6.8 SPC ROUND HAS HUGE POTENTIAL, WE DID INVEST IN THE COMMERCIAL APPLICATION OF THE ROUND.

WE ALSO HAVE THE COMPONENTS REQUIRED TO BUILD UPPERS IN 6.8 SPC, REALLY GOOD ONES. WE HAVE THE ONLY OPS INC MILITARY 2-PORT & 4-PORT BRAKES EVER MADE IN 6.8 CALIBER. YOURS ARE ALL .30 CAL SPR-V BRAKES. PAUL HAS A CUSTOM 6.8 SPC BRAKE IN THE WORKS, TOO. WE EVEN HAVE CUSTOM 6.8 SPC BORE GUIDES AND CLEANING RODS. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE BORE GUIDE I SENT VIA A MUTUAL FRIEND FOUND ITS WAY TO THE TRUE "DADDY" OF THE 6.8 SPC. MAYBE NOW HE'LL GO EASIER ON THOSE BARREL THROATS!

KEEP IN MIND THAT IT WAS YOUR GUYS WHO DECIDED THAT BARRETT WOULD BE GIVEN THE 6.8 SPC TO RUN WITH COMMERCIALLY. IT WAS A SOUND STRATEGIC DECISION, TOO. THEY HAVE THE REPUTATION WITHIN THE MILITARY AND SHOOTING SPORTS COMMUNITIES TO PULL IT OFF PROPERLY.

THE SUCCESSFUL MARKETING OF THE 6.8 SPC TO THE CIVILIAN AND LAW ENFORCEMENT COMMUNITIES MAY WELL BE THE BEST HOPE YOU MILITARY GUYS HAVE IN SEEING THE CARTRIDGE GAIN ACCEPTANCE WITHIN YOUR OWN RANKS.

NOW, IF YOU WANT TO CONSTRUCTIVELY VENT, USE YOUR CONTACTS TO GET REMINGTON MOVING WITH MORE ... AND BETTER ... AMMO!

S/F-

WES

I just reread this thread, and had to respond again.
I have to agree to some extent with the "anybody with a lathe and half a brain" theory. That's about what I'm operating on at the moment, due to chronic back pain and pain killers. Fortunately, I have enough of a brain left to realize it, and have hired an associate with more smarts than me on my best day.
There's more to it than that though. I don't always see eye to eye with Wes, but I know how much time, energy, and money goes into perfecting something new. True, anybody can do most anything in a half-assed fashion, but few can do it perfectly.

Stainless Lothar Walther 6.8 blanks arrived today. Now we find out how many blanks I can screw up (at my cost) before making perfect barrels.

KMFDM-

HOPE YOUR GUYS HAVE SCHEDULED SOME TIME ALREADY. RANGE TIME IS ALL SPOKEN FOR IN 2004 AT MID-SOUTH INSTITUTE [ SEE [URL]WEAPONSTRAINING.COM[/URL] ]. PLEASE TELL YOUR UNIT TO START LOOKING AT THEIR 2005 SCHEDULE, TOO.

TELL THE "OB" TO GIVE ME A CALL WHEN YOU'RE INBOUND. I'LL HAVE TO BUY YOU A BEER OR THREE.

WES