 KJB
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Posted: 9/27/2009 10:59:49 PM
Originally Posted By KJB:
Originally Posted By StevenH:
Originally Posted By west467:
I may need a taller front sight post. Since they didnt use Fmarked front sight bases you will may need a .040 front sight post with most back up iron sights. I had not trouble zeroing mine at 50 yards with a CMT carry handle. I find you only need a taller post a small percentage of the time. I would think this would mean I have shot mine........  |
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DSZM4 
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Posted: 9/28/2009 10:04:41 AM
If you guys get a blem call 847-277-7258 we were moving so fast I could see a couple getting out.
Exchange for a new one and also we will credit your shipping back of course. Thanks |
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Bretshooter
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Posted: 9/28/2009 10:10:05 AM
Why not just discount for the blem, with pic for proof?
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GilenusX207
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Posted: 9/28/2009 1:15:07 PM
Originally Posted By DSZM4: If you guys get a blem call 847-277-7258 we were moving so fast I could see a couple getting out. Exchange for a new one and also we will credit your shipping back of course. Thanks What's the turn around on replacements? I sent mine back to you because the feed ramps were misaligned; UPS states that it arrived on 9/22. I contacted Marc asking when I should expect a replacement but he hasn't gotten back to me. |
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Sidecarnutz
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Posted: 9/28/2009 1:38:21 PM
[Last Edit: 9/28/2009 3:23:05 PM by Sidecarnutz]
Took mine to the local Marine indoor range during lunch.
Took four shots to walk the red dot onto the bulls eye and then put two shots through the bullseye 1/4" apart. 25 yard indoor range with dim lighting. It was almost boringly perfect. Kinda anti-climatic. DSA nitirded upper. CD lower with Smith Enterprises LPK. Mil spec bolt & carrier from local dealer/builder. RRA forged charging handle. Mil spec 6 position extension with CAR spring & buffer. MOE butt stock and PG. Trijicon red dot. Matech BUIS Used some PPU brass cased and Wolf poly and Brown Bear ammo. All seemed to work the same at 25 yards. Spat the cases out hard at 90 degrees shredding the sound insulated divider wall next to me. Half the cases went forwards and the other half went back. I don't know what else to say other than it functioned perfectly. Twice I did three shot groups you could cover with a quarter with room to spare. I did a second mag of taking quick shots. 29 out of 30 were within a 2" area with one minor flyer. I have to say it will shoot way better than I can. Spent cases looked perfect. Looks like I built myself what should be a damn fine AR. Thanks again to DSA for the sale on these! Can't wait to try it at 100 yards! ETA; A few more things I thought of. Those double heat shield HGs that DSA uses work great. Barely got warm to the touch after the barrel cooked it's oil off it. And has anyone else noticed that P Mags don't drop free from a CD lower? They function fine with GI and P Mags. But there is just enough drag on a P Mag that it doesn't quite drop free when you release it. It just comes half way out. These were last years P Mags I used. Not the newer M ones. |
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BIKECOP29
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Posted: 9/28/2009 2:04:34 PM
My debit card is showing a pending charge again. Maybe mine will ship today or tomorrow.
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bp78
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Posted: 9/28/2009 5:21:36 PM
[Last Edit: 9/28/2009 5:22:54 PM by bp78]
Ordered my Nitride one on 9/3 arrived today, 9/28.
Assembled on a CMMG lower - some play, not a perfect fit. I may try a dpms lower later to see if it's any tighter. I like the finish, very even, no blemishes, a bit darker than my other uppers. It looks more like a matte PVD/IonBond than the polished glock tennifer. Photo below shows it with my IonBond (matte) 1911 and a standard 3rd gen Glock 17. The right feed ramp cut looks a little off but I didn't get a real good photo of it - will have to try taking that one again. For $275, I like it. 
Lower is a CMMG, CMMG BCG, DPMS LPK, MagPul MOE Grip & Stock, ASAP, LaRue BUIS. |
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Sidecarnutz
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Posted: 9/28/2009 5:53:52 PM
Here's pics of mine. Flash makes colors of the upper & lower look more different than they really are. It's a great budget and good quality little carbine. KISS!
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Forsaken1
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Posted: 9/28/2009 6:32:13 PM
Ordered Nitride on 9/5 received 9/28.M4 cuts are bare metal(silver) and looks to be done by hand.
As long as it s a shooter,i have my moneys worth.What do you want for $275  .
Upper fits really snug on S&W,Sonju and loose on LMT lower.To lazy to try others  .
Planned for this to be a duracoat experience anyhow. 
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StevenH
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Posted: 9/28/2009 6:34:23 PM
Damn, looks like in the rush to fill orders QC slipped big time!
The scratched brl and buggered right feedramp are unacceptable. |
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JohnRippert
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Posted: 9/28/2009 6:53:59 PM
If everybody and their brother were not screaming "Where is my upper!?" then maybe there would be more time to make absolutely sure everything was perfect. They already stated above that if there are issues then they will take care of it and credit shipping.
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StevenH
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Posted: 9/28/2009 7:05:57 PM
Originally Posted By JohnRippert:
If everybody and their brother were not screaming "Where is my upper!?" then maybe there would be more time to make absolutely sure everything was perfect. They already stated above that if there are issues then they will take care of it and credit shipping. If they used real M4 uppers they wouldnt have to attack them with hand tools. No feed ramps is better than hand tool cut feedramps. Nobody expects "perfect." But huge scratches down to bare metal on the brls and "feed ramps" that look like they were cut by Michael J. Fox on a bad day are the type of thing you expect from Hesse or Model 1 sales. For DSA..you realize you get one chance to make a first impression. This is your opening shot into the world of AR15 rifles. These uppers will establish your brand reputation for years, even decades to come. You might want to slow down and get them right. |
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Forsaken1
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Posted: 9/28/2009 7:25:50 PM
What they post on this forum about exchange is BS in MY case.
Was offered a refund only via phone. When you need things done right...........Do them yourself. Anyone have a dremmel  |
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jamarante
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Posted: 9/28/2009 8:30:40 PM
Originally Posted By Forsaken1:
Ordered Nitride on 9/5 received 9/28.M4 cuts are bare metal(silver) and looks to be done by hand. As long as it s a shooter,i have my moneys worth.What do you want for $275 .
Upper fits really snug on S&W,Sonju and loose on LMT lower.To lazy to try others .
Planned for this to be a duracoat experience anyhow. http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p87/Forsaken1_photos/P9091127.jpg http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p87/Forsaken1_photos/upper.jpg http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p87/Forsaken1_photos/P9091129.jpg Wow. My m4 cuts are anondized. Strange... Is your upper receiver a Cardinal Forge (bird head)? Interested to know... |
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jamarante
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Posted: 9/28/2009 8:33:54 PM
[Last Edit: 9/28/2009 8:37:46 PM by jamarante]
Originally Posted By Forsaken1:
Ordered Nitride on 9/5 received 9/28.M4 cuts are bare metal(silver) and looks to be done by hand. As long as it s a shooter,i have my moneys worth.What do you want for $275 .
Upper fits really snug on S&W,Sonju and loose on LMT lower.To lazy to try others .
Planned for this to be a duracoat experience anyhow. http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p87/Forsaken1_photos/P9091127.jpg http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p87/Forsaken1_photos/upper.jpg http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p87/Forsaken1_photos/P9091129.jpg Yeah, my second upper (parked) came a bit scratched and I ordered some Duracoat yesterday to refinish it. Honestly, What DSA SHOULD HAVE DONE is to STOP ACCEPTING ORDERS until supply caught up with current orders. Unfortunately, they got greedy. What makes PK, BCM, etc, successful is SELLING ONLY WHAT IS IN STOCK, and continually updated availabitlity. If it's so called "in stock", you know you're getting it. |
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west467
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Posted: 9/28/2009 9:00:22 PM
I have one of the $265 parked uppers. The feed ramps look like they were done by hand or dremmel, and I have some forging variations on the upper as one poster circled above.
I have one small blem on the barrel close to the flash suppressor. I have put approx 200 rounds thru this upper without one issue. I do think DSA got into a little more than they expected. I changed my order from a Nitrided, to parked just to gey my hands on it. I am pleased. DSA may need to focus on the quality control a bit. Thanks DSA!! |
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bp78
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Posted: 9/28/2009 9:07:39 PM
[Last Edit: 9/28/2009 9:15:08 PM by bp78]
Here's a better shot of my feed ramps on the nitride upper of mine that arrived today. Definitely not cut as cleanly as my CMMG uppers but I wouldn't think this will affect function?
http://i38.tinypic.com/14ahoug.jpg No forging variation in my upper as pointed out in some of the posts above, my upper receiver is clean. |
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jamarante
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Posted: 9/28/2009 9:09:08 PM
Originally Posted By west467:
I have one of the $265 parked uppers. The feed ramps look like they were done by hand or dremmel, and I have some forging variations on the upper as one poster circled above. I have one small blem on the barrel close to the flash suppressor. I have put approx 200 rounds thru this upper without one issue. I do think DSA got into a little more than they expected. I changed my order from a Nitrided, to parked just to gey my hands on it. I am pleased. DSA may need to focus on the quality control a bit. Thanks DSA!! Yeah, my receiver is a bit blemed on my parked. The cardinal forge stamp (cardinal head) is incomplete. My feed ramps are anondized, though. I would imagine that scraped together as many stripper upper receivers as they could, some M4, some rifle, some blems, some 1st cuts, and broke out the Dremels. |
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jamarante
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Posted: 9/28/2009 9:10:53 PM
Originally Posted By bp78:
Here's a better shot of my feed ramps on the nitride upper of mine that arrived today. Definitely not cut as cleanly as my CMMG uppers but I wouldn't think this will affect function? http://i38.tinypic.com/14ahoug.jpg No forging variation in my upper as pointed out in some of the posts above, my upper receiver is clean. Outside of being a shit job, it should operate just fine. |
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Posted: 9/28/2009 9:12:37 PM
[Last Edit: 9/28/2009 9:13:28 PM by knight_dive]
I believe one of the DSA reps that posts in these threads said several pages back that they intentionally blend the m4 ramp on the receiver into the ramps on the barrel after assembly. I think "meld" was the term they used. Does it look like there is a smooth, even transition from the receiver to the barrel or are there gouges and toolmarks in the ramps?
P.S. My understanding of the Nitride finish is that even if the color is gone, that doesn't mean the nitride is gone, the color is only on the surface but the nitride itself penetrates the surface. Someone with a better understanding please correct me if I'm wrong on this. |
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jamarante
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Posted: 9/28/2009 9:15:36 PM
[Last Edit: 9/28/2009 9:17:04 PM by jamarante]
Originally Posted By knight_dive:
I believe one of the DSA reps that posts in these threads said several pages back that they intentionally blend the m4 ramp on the receiver into the ramps on the barrel after assembly. I think "meld" was the term they used. Does it look like there is a smooth, even transition from the receiver to the barrel or are there gouges and toolmarks in the ramps? P.S. My understanding of the Nitride finish is that even if the color is gone, that doesn't mean the nitride is gone, the color is only on the surface but the nitride itself penetrates the surface. Someone with a better understanding please correct me if I'm wrong on this. The feed ramps in BOTH my DSA uppers (one nitride, one parked) are ANONDIZED. They are black as the rest of the upper receiver, so not sure what DSA rep is talking about. ETA: I personally think DSArep is making it up as he goes along. I don't blame him. Probaby has backed up orders up the a$$.. |
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Forsaken1
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Posted: 9/28/2009 9:31:18 PM
[Last Edit: 9/28/2009 9:40:21 PM by Forsaken1]
jamarante
"Wow. My m4 cuts are anondized. Strange... Is your upper receiver a Cardinal Forge (bird head)? Interested to know..." Yes Edit:I wish i could recall the "gentlemans" name i spoke with.He told me its the way they do there m4 cuts. Sounded distraught on the phone. I am stirring clear of these guys for awhile. My op on DSA atm. Product=Failed Customer service=Failed DSA=failure 
If it shoots straight,i'll take back a 1/3 of the statement above. |
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ThePatriot556
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Posted: 9/28/2009 9:31:53 PM
Good grief! I hope mine doesn't look like the ones above. Dremel feed ramps will piss me off.
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west467
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Posted: 9/28/2009 9:40:01 PM
Originally Posted By jamarante:
Originally Posted By west467:
I have one of the $265 parked uppers. The feed ramps look like they were done by hand or dremmel, and I have some forging variations on the upper as one poster circled above. I have one small blem on the barrel close to the flash suppressor. I have put approx 200 rounds thru this upper without one issue. I do think DSA got into a little more than they expected. I changed my order from a Nitrided, to parked just to gey my hands on it. I am pleased. DSA may need to focus on the quality control a bit. Thanks DSA!! Yeah, my receiver is a bit blemed on my parked. The cardinal forge stamp (cardinal head) is incomplete. My feed ramps are anondized, though. I would imagine that scraped together as many stripper upper receivers as they could, some M4, some rifle, some blems, some 1st cuts, and broke out the Dremels. I took a closer look at my upper tonight. It looks like the feed ramps on the barrel extension are hand finished, my upper M4 ramps are anodized. The cardinal forge stamp is complete. The blem on the barrel is actually on the suppressor. Still pleased, just want to be accurate. |
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BlackMesaSecurity
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Posted: 9/28/2009 9:45:36 PM
Called them today for an update on my order and was told it ships later this week. Think I'm gonna go ahead and call them back tomorrow and cancel the order. After seeing all the posts here I dont think I want mine anymore. Shoddy QC, even on a $275 upper, is not what I want in my first AR.
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