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Posted: 5/15/2009 11:11:49 PM EDT
I had a chance to test Ruger's new SR-556 gas piston carbine last week. Here's a first look
Ruger's SR-556 video will be up soon........ |
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video up at
SR-556 video |
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Thanks for that. Gonna take a bit to get used to seeing that rollmark on an AR receiver.
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A $2000 dollar Ruger
I am glad they are trying but they are a bit late to the game and knowing them, they have found a way to unnecessarily complicate field stripping and reassembly (one of the reasons I have parted with all five Rugers that I used to own). |
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Yeah, geeeez! Nice rifle, good idea but very pricey for an AR even if it is gas piston.....especially a Ruger.I think they are trying to cash in on the hysteria....
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Wow. A Ruger video on "Guns and Ammo". I'm shocked. +1. Really. |
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1/9 twist? 4140 bbl steel or a spec grade of 4150? $2000??? Sorry I'll pass...
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While I wouldn't pay that price for it.... It really seems like a very nicely put together rifle from the components alone. I think they did a very good job on it. Hey for $1500 ( if you could get one for that ) that would be a very good rifle. A standard AR is what $900-$1100 ... This here has a piston system with 4 setting. The Barrel is Hammer forged... It has Troy rails and covers.. I think that makes it a Top of the line set up as long as they gotten the engineering down correctly with the gas piston set up... IMO WarDawg
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I agree. I wold pay $1500 for this gun because it has $500 worth of Troy accessories.
But I absolutely would not pay $2000. Having a piston AR would be worth a couple hundred dollars more to me, but not $700. And that is if this rifle is completely reliable and relatively accurate which we don't know right now. My thoughts on it. |
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Not enough surface area on it for all of the Ruger warnings:
AND, of course Ruger DID NOT install a bayonet lug!!!!!!! PursuitSS |
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Did any of you bitching about the price happen to see that little thing called "MSRP" next to it. Has any of you ever paid MSRP? Retail is coming up to be around $1700, and that is much closer to what I see for many of the dedicated piston ARs. It uses a short stroke piston which Ruger is quite familiar with and adds a FAL style adjustment.
It seems from this and other topics that there are many who will never let Bill and his policies actually die. He is dead, gone and in the ground. Bury your own hate as well and let Ruger get on with trying to compete in this market. The Ruger name on a AR is a good thing which will spread AR ownership to people who would not normally buy one. I am looking forward to seeing how this rifle holds up. If it works as good as I think it will then I may have to add another Ruger to my stable. Currently there is a Mini30, Mark II, Security-Six and Speed-Six here. "# WARNING - The receivers on this rifle are CAST Aluminum" Bullshit. The upper and lower receivers are forged on this rifle. |
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1/9 twist? 4140 bbl steel or a spec grade of 4150? $2000??? Sorry I'll pass... The barrel steel is 41V45, not 4140. It is within MIL-B-11595E. |
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Not enough surface area on it for all of the Ruger warnings: AND, of course Ruger DID NOT install a bayonet lug!!!!!!! PursuitSS Give daddy's computer back. Go do your homework. |
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AND, of course Ruger DID NOT install a bayonet lug!!!!!!! PursuitSS So?? When was the last time you used a bayonet? I don't think a manufacturer should have to use the '94 ban like a checklist for features. They should just make a rifle that people want to buy. I would think that the fact that Ruger is releasing a semi-auto with a collapsible stock, flash suppressor, high cap mags, etc. would be proof enough that they are answering customer demand rather than bending to left-wing political pressure. That said, I am SO glad they didn't decide to write a book of warnings on the side of the receiver. That's the one thing that drives me nuts about my Mark II pistol. |
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"# WARNING - The receivers on this rifle are CAST Aluminum" Bullshit. The upper and lower receivers are forged on this rifle. I call Show me a link to where Ruger states it has FORGED receivers! Ruger to date has NEVER produced a Forged ANYTHING! They even manufactured cast receivers for DPMS Ar-15's in their Pine Tree Casting Division. And for those of you who think Ruger has changed............................try and order one with a bayonet lug! PursuitSS |
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They dont have room on the FSB. No one puts a Bayo lug on a railed forearm. Another reason its not there is because they are pointless. Who uses a bayonet anyway? I hope Ruger has not changed, I hope they continue to put out quality firearms as they always have.
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"# WARNING - The receivers on this rifle are CAST Aluminum" Bullshit. The upper and lower receivers are forged on this rifle. I call Show me a link to where Ruger states it has FORGED receivers! Ruger to date has NEVER produced a Forged ANYTHING! They even manufactured cast receivers for DPMS Ar-15's in their Pine Tree Casting Division. And for those of you who think Ruger has changed............................try and order one with a bayonet lug! PursuitSS Really? Who the hell cares? You know all those companies selling aftermarket gas blocks, how many of them have bayonet attachment points? None that I can think of off the top of my head. Why do you suppose that is? Are they all in league with the spirit of Bill Ruger? Maybe it's just so few people care if their AR has a bayonet lug or not. Maybe Ruger did it this way on their new rifle so that people like you would have something trivial to complain about. |
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i would like to see how they have their op-rod and gas piston set up
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Should be getting my SR556 next week for about $1,700. I was going to build a Piston AR15 but this SR556 with all the Troy accessories will cost me alot less. I see $1,700 for what all your getting with this SR556 as a very good deal. We'll see.
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For a 2k price tag, Ruger could have used something nicer than a standard base grade collapsible stock.
From what I've seen so far it would be a darn nice rifle for $1500, But for $2000 Ruger needs to bring a little more to the table. |
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Not enough surface area on it for all of the Ruger warnings: AND, of course Ruger DID NOT install a bayonet lug!!!!!!! PursuitSS Thanks for your side commentary but the fact remains, another mfg is in the AR game and that helps the collective cause... it goes to the common use statement in the Heller decision and furthermore adds support from a LARGE industry name, like their items or not. Some people just dont see this as a good thing but it is. Maybe in time you will. If not, then your just hurting your own cause. Will I own one, nope, am I glad they are making one, your damn right. |
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For a 2k price tag, Ruger could have used something nicer than a standard base grade collapsible stock. From what I've seen so far it would be a darn nice rifle for $1500, But for $2000 Ruger needs to bring a little more to the table. As has been discussed in this thread and others on this site, $2000 is MSRP. It'll sell for less. |
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"# WARNING - The receivers on this rifle are CAST Aluminum" Bullshit. The upper and lower receivers are forged on this rifle. I call Show me a link to where Ruger states it has FORGED receivers! Ruger to date has NEVER produced a Forged ANYTHING! They even manufactured cast receivers for DPMS Ar-15's in their Pine Tree Casting Division. And for those of you who think Ruger has changed............................try and order one with a bayonet lug! PursuitSS If that's the only complaint you can find on a $2000 rifle, they must have done something right!! |
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"# WARNING - The receivers on this rifle are CAST Aluminum" Bullshit. The upper and lower receivers are forged on this rifle. I call Show me a link to where Ruger states it has FORGED receivers! Ruger to date has NEVER produced a Forged ANYTHING! They even manufactured cast receivers for DPMS Ar-15's in their Pine Tree Casting Division. And for those of you who think Ruger has changed............................try and order one with a bayonet lug! PursuitSS Who really gives a shit about a bayonet lug? Have you ever found a use for one? |
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While I wouldn't pay that price for it.... It really seems like a very nicely put together rifle from the components alone. I think they did a very good job on it. Hey for $1500 ( if you could get one for that ) that would be a very good rifle. A standard AR is what $900-$1100 ... This here has a piston system with 4 setting. The Barrel is Hammer forged... It has Troy rails and covers.. I think that makes it a Top of the line set up as long as they gotten the engineering down correctly with the gas piston set up... IMO WarDawg +1 You also have to add in all the chrome. |
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(to hear all the bitching and moaning about how Ruger's rollmark isn't "tacticool" enough, and makes the gun inferior to other makes) |
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..... there are many who will never let Bill and his policies actually die. He is dead, gone and in the ground. Bury your own hate as well and let Ruger get on with trying to compete in this market. .. John, No bitching when only 10 round mags are availabe, o.k? Bill Ruger will haunt us from the grave the next time a restriction on magazine capacitiy is introduced. That is his creation and is VERY much alive. His policies are not rotting along with him. Ruger needs to apologize and admit they were on the wrong side and that it will never happen again. Will you let the banking/finance industry off the hook like you are trying to do with Ruger? I am glad Ruger is selling ARs, but Forget Hell! |
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F!@K RUGER!
They can shove this gun up where the sun don't shine |
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Not enough surface area on it for all of the Ruger warnings: AND, of course Ruger DID NOT install a bayonet lug!!!!!!! PursuitSS |
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Where on earth did you get that it was cast? Last year an AR15.com member who works at a foundry told us Ruger had ordered a bunch of raw forgings. One assumes they didn't use them as paperweights.
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"# WARNING - The receivers on this rifle are CAST Aluminum" Bullshit. The upper and lower receivers are forged on this rifle. I call Show me a link to where Ruger states it has FORGED receivers! Ruger to date has NEVER produced a Forged ANYTHING! They even manufactured cast receivers for DPMS Ar-15's in their Pine Tree Casting Division. And for those of you who think Ruger has changed............................try and order one with a bayonet lug! PursuitSS Who really gives a shit about a bayonet lug? Have you ever found a use for one? It's the point of someone saying "You can't have it!" My duty CMMG rifle has NEVER had a bayonet ever attached, hell I don't even own a bayonet. It's the principle. No thanks! I'll support companies like CMMG where Jeff & John have NEVER tried to screw Black rifle owners (Unlike Bill Ruger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) PursuitSS |
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The Ruger guy I spoke to said that the receivers are forged just like everyone else's. I got the implication that the upper is a slightly modified version of a standard upper...probably to accommodate the piston setup.
I don't like what 'ol Bill did to us either, but if the product is good, I'll want one. That, however, doesn't mean I can afford one. |
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"# WARNING - The receivers on this rifle are CAST Aluminum" Bullshit. The upper and lower receivers are forged on this rifle. I call Show me a link to where Ruger states it has FORGED receivers! Ruger to date has NEVER produced a Forged ANYTHING! They even manufactured cast receivers for DPMS Ar-15's in their Pine Tree Casting Division. And for those of you who think Ruger has changed............................try and order one with a bayonet lug! PursuitSS Who really gives a shit about a bayonet lug? Have you ever found a use for one? It's the point of someone saying "You can't have it!" My duty CMMG rifle has NEVER had a bayonet ever attached, hell I don't even own a bayonet. It's the principle. No thanks! I'll support companies like CMMG where Jeff & John have NEVER tried to screw Black rifle owners (Unlike Bill Ruger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) PursuitSS When did Ruger say "You can't have it!"?? Purchase from whomever you like but don't put words into Ruger's mouth just because they chose to leave off a feature that most buyers don't give a shit about. You're acting like they turned the rifle into a bolt action or something... |
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"# WARNING - The receivers on this rifle are CAST Aluminum" Bullshit. The upper and lower receivers are forged on this rifle. I call Show me a link to where Ruger states it has FORGED receivers! Ruger to date has NEVER produced a Forged ANYTHING! They even manufactured cast receivers for DPMS Ar-15's in their Pine Tree Casting Division. And for those of you who think Ruger has changed............................try and order one with a bayonet lug! PursuitSS Who really gives a shit about a bayonet lug? Have you ever found a use for one? It's the point of someone saying "You can't have it!" My duty CMMG rifle has NEVER had a bayonet ever attached, hell I don't even own a bayonet. It's the principle. No thanks! I'll support companies like CMMG where Jeff & John have NEVER tried to screw Black rifle owners (Unlike Bill Ruger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) PursuitSS When did Ruger say "You can't have it!"?? Purchase from whomever you like but don't put words into Ruger's mouth just because they chose to leave off a feature that most buyers don't give a shit about. You're acting like they turned the rifle into a bolt action or something... I think he's just looking for something to complain about. |
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People need to get over Bill Ruger. I understand what he did but I also understand what Smith and Wesson did. I don't hear people bitching about them. Bottom line is both companies have undergone a change in command. If you don't want to buy it for lack of feature or value great but if your on a personal trip against them for actions by a dead dictator then you need to get over it.
Just the very fact they are producing this and selling it with three "high capacity" mags should be point enough that as a company maybe they are trying to turn the corner. |
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This bayonet lug stuff is getting old.
If the lack of a bayonet lug is a deal breaker, I don't know what to tell you. |
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This is the technical forum. Please try and save the political talk for the several GD threads already going.
One thing i have to wonder about is with the rear of the carrier having bearing surfaces, for anti-tilt. How will upper to lower wiggle effect the movement of the carrier? Is the rear of the carrier machined is such a way to force the alinment of the upper and lower without causing wear? |
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Also what is the "two stages" of the piston. I dont see any other piston makers talk about two stages for their systems. So what did Ruger do different?
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1/9 twist? 4140 bbl steel or a spec grade of 4150? $2000??? Sorry I'll pass... The barrel steel is 41V45, not 4140. It is within MIL-B-11595E. Better steel is a great bullet point, but 1/9 is a deal breaker. +1 |
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"# WARNING - The receivers on this rifle are CAST Aluminum" Bullshit. The upper and lower receivers are forged on this rifle. I call Show me a link to where Ruger states it has FORGED receivers! Ruger to date has NEVER produced a Forged ANYTHING! They even manufactured cast receivers for DPMS Ar-15's in their Pine Tree Casting Division. And for those of you who think Ruger has changed............................try and order one with a bayonet lug! PursuitSS Who really gives a shit about a bayonet lug? Have you ever found a use for one? It's the point of someone saying "You can't have it!" My duty CMMG rifle has NEVER had a bayonet ever attached, hell I don't even own a bayonet. It's the principle. No thanks! I'll support companies like CMMG where Jeff & John have NEVER tried to screw Black rifle owners (Unlike Bill Ruger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) PursuitSS I guess we should all be down on Remington too. The R-15 that I bought to coyote hunt with didn't have a bayonet lug on it either. Where's the Remington haters thread?? I guess I missed that one... |
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I'm intrigued. I don't think I'll ever buy one, but I applaud Ruger for going this direction.
Some of you guys... jeez. Complain about a company's political views and then when they actually listen to you and change, rail on 'em even more. |
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i dont post that much but have been around ar's for a long time plus own several including a piston gun. but this rifle has a cold hammer forged barrel. not many others have that. plus i like the way they have their key on the bcg as one integral peice. chrome plated is nice too. i will give it a year to teeth and if it is good i may buy one. pof is nice, but i dont like the way the op rod moves around when the bolt is retracted. i dont like lwrc's gas key-op rod setup. for the ruger i think troy is good stuff and the upper and lowers are all made by a few companys we all know. personal grudges on ruger, dont have time for it, just like the gun. they need to set up a good parts and accessories infrastructure plus a few different models, then they will be on the right track. i think sig is finally learning this lesson slowly (i have a 556 too) since their website started selling parts. thats my story
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For those who have looked at this at the NRA convention, what have they done to address carrier tilt? It looks like the carrier itself is solid and "rounded" more at the back. Have they modified the upper in terms of what the bottom of the rear of the carrier will be running on when it is forced downward?
To Gunwritr, did you see any evidence of wear on the upper from carrier tilt on the version you shot? Anyone with technical knowledge (i.e. Gunwriter or others with design knowledge) able to compare the Ruger design with the HK or the LW designs with analysis of pros and cons? Thanks. ETA can we have just one thread on this which analyzes the technical aspects without arguing about Ruger's politics? I am not a big fan of Ruger's history either, but I want to learn more about this without sorting through all the other stuff. |
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I agree with leaving the political BS somewhere else. Here is a summary of technical info I posted in another thread.
I found out some stuff from a Ruger guy that was at the show: -The complete lower is standard AR and will interchange with any other AR parts. They are NOT proprietary. -Both upper and lower receivers are forged. -It has M4 feed ramps. -It comes with a standard trigger setup. -The barrel is threaded 1/2x28 so any FH can be used. -The bolt is a STANDARD AR bolt and both it and the extractor are chromed. -The carrier is chromed and machined from billet. -Carrier is AR15 configuration - meaning no sear trip. I think it has a shrouded firing pin. -Recoil tube is Milspec diameter. Uses regular AR carbine stocks. No folders since the recoil spring & buffer are still used. -Barrel is 1:9 twist, cold hammer forged chrome lined and is made from 41V45 which is the exact material spec'd by Unkle Sam. -Bolt, bolt carrier and barrel extension are made from the same material as Mil-spec...whatever that is. -Piston, piston bore and regulator are chromed. -Gas piston is short stroke type. The 'two stage' refers to the piston being cushioned. I think this means that the piston has two diameters that the gas pushes on, one being softer than the other. This is supposed to be easier on the parts. -Handguard is NOT a standard Troy unit because, apparently, they don't hold up to grenade launchers. Ruger changed something about the mounting of it to strengthen it. -Production has already started and they should be shipping by June. The guy said that the present management is actually listening to what the customers want. He said to go to their website and say what you would like to see. They do read it. The 30rnd Mini14 mags are a result of this. |
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If the barrel is really mil spec steel, and is hammer forged and chrome lined, it makes this a fairly uncommon commodity. I think noveske's barrel is hammer forged, but I am not aware of any other non custom barrels which are made this way. I could be wrong about that, so if someone knows better please post.
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If the barrel is really mil spec steel, and is hammer forged and chrome lined, it makes this a fairly uncommon commodity. I think noveske's barrel is hammer forged, but I am not aware of any other non custom barrels which are made this way. I could be wrong about that, so if someone knows better please post. Yeah, your wrong. Later LWRC piston guns have CHF barrels. I'm curious about these new Rugers also. I don't care whether it has a bayonet lug or not.... ETA: Here's the video on RUGERS site: http://www.ruger.com/SR556/video.html |
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OK, for Ruger's benefit: I own four. Have had a few others. They make "good" guns, for the money. I know they have to make a profit. When redesigning the Mini, they should have taken the sunset "advantage of the moment", and made them ALL like the GB models, and offered the factory folding stocks. Do you know what people pay for these stocks? $300+! Don't the "new" tricked-out (cough) ones have stupid FIXED AR style stocks? WTF? (long sucking noise in background.....) PC= BS. I'm surprised they made a hi-cap nine at all. Well, since the Army didn't like it, they had to sell to someone..
But, IF I was one of their shareholder's, with a bit of 2nd ammendment knowledge, I'd have been bitching years ago when they got too damn politically correct. THAT destroyed S&W. THEY got over it, (probably by listening to the shareholders), made ammends, got rid of the suck ups, and are now doing much better. I still have a Mini-14 GB that would LOVE a factory Ruger folding stock. They could make a small fortune just by offering those stocks again, OR, by selling the rights to someone else to make and sell them. Yeah, the damn warning signs on the guns are like, "We know you had to be an idiot to buy our product, but expect you to read this because our high paid lawyer said so" to REALLY cover our ass even if it makes the gun look stupid", ( because putting it in the manual isn't good enough )....is pissy. I'll probably never need to use my bayonets, but believe I have the right, if my gun is made to accept one, to collect/own one, attach one, if only for historical reasons, as (antiquated as it is) this was an extremely important issue on military-style longarms for over a HUNDRED years. Hell, I can just see where someone was stabbed by a bayonet on an 1851 musket in the papers.....just to be the first in a long time... IF B.O. takes the lugs away and you have a two round magazine, you might just wish you had a frickin bayonet...duct tape a steak knife. In the end, late in the game, maybe they did listen to the people that buy stock. Now they have an AR. Bill was a genius in his time, but lent too much "sportiness" to his guns, and (with small exception), pretty much flatly rejected the "right to self-defense", patriotic crowd. This gave way too much ammo to the "2nd ammendment is for duck hunting or "sporting purpose only" crowd, and that he and his own still have to live down. |
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