 Tanfo 
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Posted: 3/4/2009 4:35:36 PM
Here is some pics, of the Norwegian comfiguration of HK416
The rifle gives a "crappy" feel, and the FF looks and feels like somthing that's taken from a softgun, and is not tight. There have been several ocations of the FF getting so loose during service that the rifle is left useless 
The switch on the FSB is for supressor. This causes problems, as it has a bad habbit of selecting it's own posisson during fire.The gun will not cycle witout supressor if switch is on S 
There have been a lot of problems with this rifle, in Norway it freezzes down, during winter use, and in Afgan, it jams sollid in the dust. Looks like HK tried to invent a sqare weel, and solve a non existing problem. Most parts is not intercangebly with a mil spec AR rifle, the mag well is altered so it will not take P-mags, or Beta. HK is not what it used to be... |
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MajorAR
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Posted: 3/4/2009 4:41:25 PM
[Last Edit: 3/4/2009 5:06:23 PM by MajorAR]
 MMMMMMMM........kay.....That's exactly opposite from everything I've heard from guys running that platform. Interesting. |
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firedog55
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Posted: 3/4/2009 4:47:57 PM
Sounds like the HK cool aid drinkers are gonna be upset. The OP seems to have real world experience with the 416. I'm glad I got my LMT CQB gas piston carbine, it's been great ( although never used in anger).
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ncozzo
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Posted: 3/4/2009 4:49:29 PM
well i was jealous when I first saw the pic but after your description im not so sure anymore...
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Shung
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Posted: 3/4/2009 5:01:37 PM
Interesting !
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cooperScout
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Posted: 3/4/2009 5:04:04 PM
Oh yeah, I'm sure they're absolute junk
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Tanfo
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Posted: 3/4/2009 5:37:45 PM
Originally Posted By cooperScout:
Oh yeah, I'm sure they're absolute junk In my opinion...you ar just right Sir Recoil is also more "brisk" than in a gas gun, and to complete...the buffer tube is the commercial type. The original stock is difficult to opperate, the release is almost impossibbe to manipulate with winter gloves. Norwegian army has for a long time been using HKG3, rifles licence produced in Norway. And the user experience with the 416 goes back less than 1,5 years Special Forces have been using C8 rifles from Colt Canada, and has not switched to 416. Army bought 417 rifles to be used for medium range sniping, and theese rifles is also seeing a lot of problems. As far as I know, no other contries is using the 416 as a general issue |
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Posted: 3/4/2009 5:56:26 PM
Interesting, thanks for sharing the pictures.
What sort of lube and lube regimen are you guys using in the winter and in A-Stan? |
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Duffy
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Posted: 3/4/2009 6:05:56 PM
What excuse does HK have for using commercial receiver extensions?
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Tanfo
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Posted: 3/4/2009 6:08:41 PM
CLP. both places, lightly .
Winter problems is not caused by lube. Internal of rifle gets frozen. I do not know what the reason for this is, but this problems is significant for the 416 C8 rifles does not have problems like this, if normal precautions is taken |
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Posted: 3/4/2009 6:11:58 PM
[Last Edit: 3/4/2009 6:13:14 PM by SSeric02]
Hmmm, so is it the piston parts that are freezing up? After firing or all the time?
ETA: yeah, the direct gas system certainly has less parts to foul or break. |
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Tanfo
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Posted: 3/4/2009 6:12:11 PM
Originally Posted By Duffy:
What excuse does HK have for using commercial receiver extensions? Looks like they have put a lot of efford into making the rifle totaly "properiatory" to make sure no other AR parts will fit. |
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Posted: 3/4/2009 6:16:37 PM
[Last Edit: 3/4/2009 6:16:50 PM by SSeric02]
Originally Posted By Tanfo:
Originally Posted By Duffy:
What excuse does HK have for using commercial receiver extensions? Looks like they have put a lot of efford into making the rifle totaly "properiatory" to make sure no other AR parts will fit. Or the same reason anyone else uses a commercial extension...they're cheaper. But, you're right, they have a habit of being persnickety like that don't they. |
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Duffy
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Posted: 3/4/2009 6:18:00 PM
[Last Edit: 3/4/2009 6:20:52 PM by Duffy]
Originally Posted By Tanfo:
Originally Posted By Duffy:
What excuse does HK have for using commercial receiver extensions? Looks like they have put a lot of efford into making the rifle totaly "properiatory" to make sure no other AR parts will fit. Yep that's the conclusion I'm drawing too. Instead of making it compatible with the ubiquitous AR15/M16, they went out of their way to make it different, enough the end user has to be completely dependent on HK for everything. Maybe this isn't completely true, but it is at least partially true, it could be they want to be able to control the quality and parts, one way to do that is by making things proprietary. But there is no excuse for the commercial receiver extension, it should be the milspec version so the millions of M4, Vltor and SOPMOD would work with it, in this case I think HK is thinking primarily about their pocket book. As to the notion that the commercial extension is cheaper, this is ONE thing HK should not bother, HK weapons are expensive, what's the point in cutting corners on a piece of the rifle that would have ensured compatibility with M4, Vltor and SOPMOD already in inventory everywhere? |
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Tanfo
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Posted: 3/4/2009 6:19:07 PM
Originally Posted By SSeric02:
Hmmm, so ii it the piston parts that are freezing up? After firing or all the time? Problem showes up, when the rifle is taken in, and out of buildings, and the humidity frezze. C8 also frezze under theese conitions, but could be made serviceable by a light tap of the butstock against a hard surface. |
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SSeric02
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Posted: 3/4/2009 6:21:23 PM
Originally Posted By Tanfo:
Originally Posted By SSeric02:
Hmmm, so ii it the piston parts that are freezing up? After firing or all the time? Problem showes up, when the rifle is taken in, and out of buildings, and the humidity frezze. C8 also frezze under theese conitions, but could be made serviceable by a light tap of the butstock against a hard surface. Gotcha, Trondheim winters can be a bitch. Sweating is always a problem in those conditions and should be guarded against if possible, but you're right, it's a fact of life. But, is it the piston parts that are freezing up and causing it to become more stuck than a C8 would be? |
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Shung
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Posted: 3/4/2009 6:44:54 PM
keep going on.. You are driving my HK fanboys friends crazy...
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Posted: 3/4/2009 6:53:18 PM
[Last Edit: 3/4/2009 6:54:10 PM by SMGLee]
Originally Posted By Duffy:
What excuse does HK have for using commercial receiver extensions? Initially the HK M4D run with Tapco stock with commerical tubes....so I guess the commerical tube stuck when the German designed their own stock to comply with the german export law. Tanfo, any way to get a better look at that rear back up iron sight? Thanks for the post. |
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Posted: 3/4/2009 6:59:24 PM
I have heard of the troubles with the HK417, so am not really surprised.
Nothing worse than being issued a rifle that wont work... |
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Posted: 3/4/2009 7:09:10 PM
[Last Edit: 3/4/2009 7:10:56 PM by Duffy]
Originally Posted By SMGLee:
Originally Posted By Duffy:
What excuse does HK have for using commercial receiver extensions? Initially the HK M4D run with Tapco stock with commerical tubes....so I guess the commerical tube stuck when the German designed their own stock to comply with the german export law. Tanfo, any way to get a better look at that rear back up iron sight? Thanks for the post. Tapco stock with HK markings. In a world of compromises, HK... |
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Posted: 3/4/2009 7:09:27 PM
Originally Posted By SMGLee:
Originally Posted By Duffy:
What excuse does HK have for using commercial receiver extensions? Initially the HK M4D run with Tapco stock with commerical tubes....so I guess the commerical tube stuck when the German designed their own stock to comply with the german export law. Tanfo, any way to get a better look at that rear back up iron sight? Thanks for the post. I was thinking the exact same thing. Good to see you around Chen! |
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Duffy
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Posted: 3/4/2009 7:12:48 PM
I was going to ask about the rear sight too, but decided I didn't really care
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Posted: 3/4/2009 7:13:39 PM
Huh
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dookie1481
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Posted: 3/4/2009 7:39:48 PM
And I'm sure the fanboys will be here any sec to start bashing the guy who actually has experience with the 416.
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Posted: 3/4/2009 7:46:30 PM
Originally Posted By dookie1481:
And I'm sure the fanboys will be here any sec to start bashing the guy who actually has experience with the 416. |
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dookie1481
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Posted: 3/4/2009 8:03:09 PM
I must say, that pistol grip looks very comfortable.
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