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Posted: 3/12/2007 10:40:40 AM EDT

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Doesn't the NF 1-4X have a lit reticle? I was checking out their stuff at the Shot Show and I could have sworn it did.

The NF 1-4x does have a lit reticle, but it can't be seen in bringht day light like the reticle of an Aimpoint, EO Tech, or Short Dot.

There are many varible powered optics that have lit reticles (NF 1-4x, Leupold CQ/T 1-3x, Leupold MR/T 1.5-5x, etc). The problem is that many of them can be seen in bright day light or they wash out when using a white light in the dark.

Semper Fi
Jeff

I see. I am really tempted to try out a Short Dot...

I have bought a few of those low power variables, all of them pretty nice. I have the Leupold MR/t 1.5-5, the NF 1.1-4 and the Short Dot. The only one that has a bright enough reticule to simulate something like an Aimpoint is the S&B. Guy I know who has tried both has a NF 1-4 on his duty gun seems to be able to do just fine without illuminating the reticule at all. I cant do it as fast with just the black circle dot. Another friend has a less expensive Talon optic (the name of the manufacturer escapes me), and with its bright dot reticule, it is a pretty good more affordable alternative to the Short Dot. Still the Short Dot has some of the best features among any of them, like the accesible locking turrets and the ability to turn the reticule off at every half step of the power knob.

Posted: 3/12/2007 1:04:55 PM EDT

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Still the Short Dot has some of the best features among any of them, like the accesible locking turrets and the ability to turn the reticule off at every half step of the power knob.

I guess the idea there is that if you're on setting 8 or whatever, you can turn it off with one click and when you turn it back on, you're immediately on setting 8 again?

Posted: 3/12/2007 1:27:58 PM EDT

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I really hate all of you that contributed to this post!

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Posted: 3/12/2007 1:57:21 PM EDT

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I really hate all of you that contributed to this post!

If you don't I am sure many of us would like to know where we can get it at.

Posted: 3/12/2007 1:59:32 PM EDT

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LEO / Mil only price. And that info shouldn't have been posted on a public forum.

Semper Fi,
Jeff

Posted: 3/12/2007 2:27:27 PM EDT

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Didn't mean to offend anyone. I just talked to a friend in the states. He said that he had one NIB that he bought for himself and decided to go another route. He offered it to me at that price and I was just looking for a little push from you guys to convince me to go for it. He is associated with LE in the states and after reading USMC03's post I decided to edit my above posting. Not sure if that is how he obtained it but in any case I'd rather not stir up anything on the boards. Again I apologize. Thanks!

Posted: 3/12/2007 3:39:05 PM EDT

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Shit, I've been offered them for less than that.

Posted: 3/12/2007 3:45:23 PM EDT

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Kevin or Jeff,

Does the LaRue 1.93 put the glass at the same height as a Aimpoint in a LaRue 150? How does this set-up work if you shoot NTCH? Or will you need the "extended" mount?

Have you guys heard anymore about the new NF 1-4x that is supposed to have a lit reticle like the S&B?

Posted: 3/12/2007 5:38:58 PM EDT

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Kevin or Jeff,

Does the LaRue 1.93 put the glass at the same height as a Aimpoint in a LaRue 150? How does this set-up work if you shoot NTCH? Or will you need the "extended" mount?

Have you guys heard anymore about the new NF 1-4x that is supposed to have a lit reticle like the S&B?

S1,

I run nose to charging handle:

And as you can see I have the SPR-E mount as far forward on the flat top as it will go and have the Short Dot as far forward in the SPR-E mount as it will go. I find that I need the "extended" mount.

I have zero experience with the 1.93 mount. I'm pretty sure Kevin has run / is running the 1.93 mount.

I have heard nothing but rumors about the new lit reticle in the NF 1-4x scope.

Take care and stay safe,
Jeff

Posted: 3/12/2007 5:40:48 PM EDT

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KevinB & USMC03, I have a PVS-14 and have used it head mounted with good results in combination with an 552 Eotech on the NVG setting. Have either of you used the S&B in combo with the PVS-14? I have an IR laser, but just as far as looking throught the scope on 1x with the red dot on an IR setting, can you make out enough of the target area to be able to shoot that way? I have an ACOG and because of it being 4x, everything is distorted, and I was wondering if you get this distortion on the low power with the S&B. Awesome rigs, by the way guys.

Hootie,

I don't run a PVS-14, sorry I couldn't help you out.

Semper Fi,
Jeff

Posted: 3/12/2007 6:09:43 PM EDT

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Where did you get the flash supressor for it? That's pretty nice......and I want one...can you buy it separate from the sound supressor?

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I recently upgraded the optics on my duty LE6920's.

Over the years I have been in search of the "perfect" optic.

In a SWAT setting 75% of the missions are CQB and the other 25% can range from permiter work, to overwatch on a VIP detail, to searching large warehouses or schools, etc.

SWAT missions can often be dynamic in nature. One minute you can find yourself on a permiter trying to see if the barricaded gunman standing in the window has a gun or a cell phone in his hand, and the next minute you're being picked up as part of the entry team. On other missions you may find yourself sitting across a large parking lot covering a buy / bust operation, the bad guy goes mobile and now your part of a vehicle take down.

In short there are times where an electronic red dot rules the day and other times where a magnified optic is more desirable.

I have tried magnifiers, a few variable powered optics, etc, etc, etc. I had issues with everything that I tried.

A couple requirements that I have in any optic that I use for duty:

-Lit reticle that can be seen in bright day light (this knocked out some optics like the MR/T M2 1.5-5)

-Very little distortion on the lowest power (this knocked out most optics that had the lowest setting at 1.25x and higher)

-Have close to the same speed with the optic as I did an Aimpoint.

I have tried most of what is on the market and after doing much research (thanks to the Lightfighter members who took the time to answer my many questions) I settled on the S&B Short Dot and after training with it for the last month I'm very satisfied with it:

Not perfect, but damn close

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Posted: 3/12/2007 6:38:05 PM EDT

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Have you guys heard anymore about the new NF 1-4x that is supposed to have a lit reticle like the S&B?

How new is it? I saw the one they had at Shot and it seemed pretty bright, but it also wasn't outdoors in the sunlight.

Posted: 3/12/2007 6:46:56 PM EDT

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How new is it? I saw the one they had at Shot and it seemed pretty bright, but it also wasn't outdoors in the sunlight.

The "tech director dude", yes that's an official title

, on hand at SHOT, said that the display models were NOT the newest illumination intensity -- FWIW....

Posted: 3/12/2007 6:57:15 PM EDT

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Perhaps it was mentioned elsewhere in the thread, but how much does a Short Dot run? You have one nice setup USMC03!

Posted: 3/12/2007 7:44:48 PM EDT

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about $2200-$2300 is retail

Posted: 3/12/2007 7:45:18 PM EDT

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Where did you get the flash supressor for it?

www.gem-tech.com

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