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Posted: 1/26/2006 1:52:36 AM EDT
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btt- mods, can we sticky this for the next week or two? it'll help some folks + vendors.
Thanks... Bill Wiese San Jose CA |
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Posted: 1/26/2006 11:23:29 AM EDT
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Bumpin' to keep this on top
 
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Posted: 1/26/2006 2:58:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/26/2006 3:09:37 PM EDT
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Hey there bweise, you've done a great job at calguns & it's good to see you here.
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Posted: 1/26/2006 3:49:04 PM EDT
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NOOOO!!! shut him down NOW! Cant you see all those EVIL guns going into CA are just waiting to start KILLING RAMPAGES!!!!!!
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Posted: 1/26/2006 4:53:24 PM EDT
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I'm just trying to get more 223 rifles into CA to create more demand & thus more supply of quality bulk 223 ammo :)
I want 1K boxes of Fed XM193 at every gunshop for $175 or less :) (One can dream, huh?) Bill Wiese San Jose |
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Posted: 1/26/2006 6:03:37 PM EDT
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CA already has more "assault weapons" than any other state.
Probably more 50BMG rifles too They ban it, we buy it. Keep up the good work Mr Wiese! |
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Posted: 1/26/2006 8:30:28 PM EDT
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Request a temporary sticky for those poor subjects of the People's Republic of California.
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Posted: 1/28/2006 11:51:46 PM EDT
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+1 And thank you for writing the excellent FAQ over on calguns. |
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Posted: 1/29/2006 1:11:09 AM EDT
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great work on calguns! a bump for CA!
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Posted: 1/29/2006 6:38:21 AM EDT
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I'll be happy to help any way I can but, I'm not up to speed on California legal mubo-jumbo nor have I any interest in becomg so.
Could you please state in plain English what you need and how to get it to our bro's in the occupied territories? To wit; are Ameetec lowers (real fine merchandise IMHO) on the "damned" list? And if not, how many crates of bare lowers do you need? |
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Posted: 1/29/2006 11:34:30 AM EDT
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I wrote a detailed FAQ on Calguns.net. (www.calguns.net/a_california_arak.htm) but I will summarize for you...
I love the attitude, thank you. The 'list' of banned guns/lowers is at ag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/aw.pdf If the brand/model is not listed (don't be cute with words like "The...", ", Inc.", etc or hyphenation) it's good to go. So Ameetecs, Stags (I just got 4), Fultons, DSAs, etc. are cool. Bushmaster, Colt, DPMS versions, etc. are not since they are listed. However if these latter companies come out with new models - let's say Colt comes out with the new "Bullet Squirter 15" - then it's good. But for now stick to brands off the list as there are plenty. We'd love to have lots of Ameetecs here, as well as Gunsmokes, Lauers, Fultons, etc. and more Stags (though we seem to have depleted Stag of inventory for awhile). The AR lower businesss has been re-shaped by California events, and many lowers from many vendors are making it into CA. We want to make it as easy as possible because minor glitches in flow consume valuable time, and we want everyone who wants a legal off-list lower to be able to get one or more. You can visit http://www,Calguns.net in the 'Gun rights, legal, political forum' and go to the '223 Self-loading Rifle' forum to make contact with end-users who have FFLs, and some FFL dealers who are looking for lowers. I'm hoping we can get over 10,000 legal off-list lowers into CA before the 'List' gets updated. There's likely around 5,000+ right now. Then we can perhaps repeat with new makes/models at least until legislation stops this. PM me if questions. Bill Wiese San Jose CA |
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Posted: 1/29/2006 11:45:03 AM EDT
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I just want to say thanks to you for your FAQ over at calguns and all the help you have given. I am currently in the process of getting 3 receiver right now and couldn't be happier. I was able to opserve in person the double star receivers and must say they are top-notch receivers. I'm awaiting a ameetec receiver and hope it is as nice as the double star. I also want to thank all of the out-of-state dealers/people that have helped. Many people in CA are excited to get a "Real" AR style receiver and this wouldn't be possible with out everyone's help. Thanks again everyone we really appreciate it.
P.S. For some reason calguns will not let me register on there forum. Keeps saying my e-mail(tried multiple e-mails) is banned. Its kind of frustrating to only be able to observe when aquiring information. -William |
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Posted: 1/29/2006 8:04:26 PM EDT
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btt
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Posted: 1/29/2006 8:43:30 PM EDT
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VIVA OFF LIST LOWERS!!!
http://www.gorillapack.com/albums/heme15/heme_03_15_012106_copy.sized.jpg bump! |
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Posted: 1/29/2006 10:01:51 PM EDT
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Best wishes to our friends in California.
And when you get tired of contorting yourselves to fit loopholes, I-5 North baby.  
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Posted: 1/29/2006 10:29:55 PM EDT
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*drool* 
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Posted: 1/29/2006 11:01:13 PM EDT
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btt
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Posted: 1/30/2006 7:53:54 AM EDT
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btt
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Posted: 1/30/2006 4:32:19 PM EDT
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thanks again to bweise for all his work for us in CA!
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Posted: 1/30/2006 6:33:31 PM EDT
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Great work Bill
Thanks for all the help |
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Posted: 1/30/2006 8:52:13 PM EDT
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No worries, glad to help. I am just one of several folks - I did the easy part, writing this stuff up... Bill Wiese San Jose CA |
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Posted: 1/30/2006 9:05:05 PM EDT
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I know exactly where that sign is.... thats so scary. I love my off list lower! 
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Posted: 1/30/2006 9:43:30 PM EDT
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Now I know why there is such a short piece of rail cover on that lower sitting on my shelf right now. In fact, it looks pretty similar to the one in the picture... |
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Posted: 1/30/2006 9:47:26 PM EDT
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Drool all you want, but it's getting better... I have his upper (back) in my shop shortening and permanent attaching that Troy Medieval brake. If only those Troy's were not HARD like a Vortex. |
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Posted: 1/30/2006 11:17:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/31/2006 12:38:02 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/31/2006 12:55:16 AM EDT
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Welcome to the board. Someone took your post virginity before you got a chance to use it  <--- look over there and it says that is your 2nd post. |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 1:38:16 AM EDT
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Ack! Must have been the reply in the classifieds! Those don't count on some boards.
Anyways, bump for Mr. Wiese! |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 1:22:45 PM EDT
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thanks for the kind words, all.
bumping so people see the initial post... |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 8:52:39 PM EDT
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btt
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Posted: 2/1/2006 11:19:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/1/2006 11:23:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/1/2006 11:30:32 PM EDT
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So if you Cali people get a lower that is not yet BANNED you can build a no ban featured AR15? All the goodies on it?
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Posted: 2/1/2006 11:42:21 PM EDT
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All of them EXCEPT the detachable mag. Have to fix a 10 round mag for now. When the CA DOJ updates the list and declares the new lowers as banned, we can register them as AW and pull the 10 rounder. Viola! Instant EBR! |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 12:18:19 AM EDT
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It's exactly as operatorerror said...
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Posted: 2/2/2006 8:51:13 AM EDT
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Well, that is awesome for you guys! I would be having about a dozen or two lowers on standby (unless they have to be built rifles )
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Posted: 2/2/2006 8:54:52 AM EDT
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Nope, you don't HAVE to build them up, you just can NOT build them illegally if you choose to build them before they get re-classified as AW's. The current thinking is that about 5000 recievers have come into the state over the last 7 weeks. |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 10:08:37 AM EDT
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btt...
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Posted: 2/2/2006 10:48:17 AM EDT
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And if they never put them on the list? Again i ask this again and again but no one from Ca seems to want to answer. Why do you think they will put these on the list when right now you cant build anything but a neautered gun with them? if they put them on the list then you must be given a chance to register them (if they dont change the law or find their own loophole). So what is their incentive to put them on the list? |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 12:04:20 PM EDT
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Because you are politically naive and not thinking like a politician - you're trying to use common sense. It would be inconceivable for CA lawyers and regulators to allow two types of receivers to exist - named and banned, unnamed and legal - regardless of features/configuration. They're less worried about configuration than control and authority and demonstrating they're doing work. We caught them napping for 5 years and now they're waking up. Legislation to close this gap and the name game will follow. But for now, "keeping assault weapons under control" will be their mantra. Most folks don't know the minor details of the law and antigun voters would be just as scared of a fixed-mag AR even though it's legal.
Correct. Registration period is mandatory if listed.
They can't find a loophole. Between existing law (which is quite clear) and Harrott we are fully exploiting this legislatively unaddressed issue. The law could - and likely will! - be changed. That'll take 6-7 months and subject to gov's veto/signature. In the meantime more off-list lowers will flow in unless list updated.
Control. Showing authority. Demonstrating they are doing work and making up lost time since they were caught napping. Plus AG Bill Lockyer is running for election for Treasurer. I don't think they really want to see 30,000 off-list lowers come into the state. Don't think about this rationally. This is all about feel-good issues and not about end results. We KNOW the DOJ is updating the list. They are scurrying around looking for brands/models that have been sold. Expect listing action anytime but 2nd week of February is worst case (well, best case for us- it coulda been earlier). Bill Wiese San Jose |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 1:11:23 PM EDT
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btt for original topmost post...
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Posted: 2/2/2006 2:46:25 PM EDT
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Sorry to hear California is making things harder for you.
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Posted: 2/2/2006 3:39:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/2/2006 3:57:20 PM EDT
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Removed.
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Posted: 2/2/2006 7:22:48 PM EDT
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Glad to hear that so many have come into the state. One local FFL told me on Saturday that even though it's legal he won't even think of dealing w/an AR-type lower. He's the typical "If it ain't a Colt 1911 in .45 then it ain't $hit" kind of dealer, though, so it's to be expected.
Good luck with this. |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 11:19:59 PM EDT
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I'm pretty sure at least 5,000 have made it into CA.
If the DOJ delays another 2-3 weeks we can maybe get 10,000 total in here! Wheeeee! Bill Wiese San Jose CA |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 12:18:25 AM EDT
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So, that giant sucking sound we hear -- it's all the lowers rushing into California? Hey, I know California hasn't always sucked when it comes to guns, but it's sure sucking now isn't it? 
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Posted: 2/3/2006 12:27:28 AM EDT
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Uh huh................................... |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 1:05:33 AM EDT
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Haha. Here's an example. In early December Stag Arms apparently had an inventory of 960 lowers. After the 'kick off' by 10%Firearms at the December San Jose gunshow, and all the attention it brought to off-list lowers in CA, the Stag inventory was depleted in around 2 weeks. We can't assume CA took it all, but CA likely it took 85%-90+% in this short time. Bill Wiese San Jose |
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