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Posted: 9/25/2005 12:03:38 PM EDT
Yes the M93 in it’s current form will not be produced any more. Read on for why this is good news for those who like the M93 (and maybe for those who do not).
When we created the molds for the M93 back in 2002 they were built for low volume experimental work. Every time we had to do a major overhaul on the molds we would also add any enhancements we though were needed and this would result in a new version number (M93A, M93B etc.). Instead of rebuilding the molds for the planned M93B2 we have chosen another direction this weekend. This time with the PRS production running really smooth right out of the gate we started to rethink the whole original MSS concept and the role of the M93 specifically. After a little brainstorming we came up with a concept that will do everything the current M93 does but will do it a lot better and could be produced a lot quicker. Right now the M93B takes about six times longer than the PRS to manufacture. I cannot tell you much in the way of details for this new item other than this. 1. It’s styling will fit in with the newer Magpul releases such as the PRS and MIAD grip. 2. It will have all the features of the M93 (and more), but they will be better engineered and durable (no more flimsy presets) 3. The internal structure of the stock from buffer tube to tail/strike piece will be aluminum. While we will rely on Nylon for areas where skin contacts, the strength will all come from ALU parts. 4. The new design will be the basis for the iterations of the MSS stocks outlined in the original PDF file. For example the current molds for the PRS easily adaptable to the new system. 5. We will have a trade up deal that will allow current M93 owners to switch to the new system at a cost which will be as low as I can make it. It will take us a minimum of 3 months (probably more like 5) to bring this new item online and we will continue to sell and service the M93 while we have completed M93s in stock. We will also keep parts on hand for servicing M93s in the field for a long while. Even some of the planned M93B2 upgrades will be available to current M93 owners. I just wanted to give everyone a heads up so that this change down the road will not be a surprise. All in all the M93 did a fantastic job of shaking up the industry. The ACE SOCOM, HK XM8, and FN SCAR-L all borrowed from the M93’s design. Now it is time to build on what the M93 created but it will have to be with this new item for it to reach it’s potential. I welcome your comments and suggestion on this new product. |
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Well, I guess i'll hold off on upgrading my junky stock for a bit then...
About the trade in M93 stocks, you would sell them at discount right? |
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In most AR/M-16 collapsable stocks, there is a gap or lip when the stock is extended that just happens to be right where most of us rest out cheek.
If you could make a design where, when extended, there was no gap/lip, you would make a lot of money. Maybe a spring loaded plate or something could pop up and fill the gap when the stock slides over it. |
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Progress is a good thing
Now how about shipping me my 2 MIAD pre-production swap outs for production models I ordered via phone 3 weeks ago |
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I was about to upgrade my loose collapsible stock to a M93, but with this news I may hold off for a few more months!
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That sounds really cool...I was planning on buying the M93B in the next couple months but I will now probably wait for your new product. Your guys stuff is the best out there!
A sneak peak for all the good people at ARFCOM would be a real treat[cough]pics rock[/cough]. Thanks and I look forward to seeing this new product. |
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Are you able to forecast a rough time frame for the new stock prototype, or is it too far out?
To be more specific, will a prototype be available for viewing at the ShotShow? |
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Wow, a manufacturer that will tell us what is going on with their products in advance is a novel concept. I can't wait to see what you guys come out with next - I'll be in for one of those as well. I can always trust that your products will be well thought out and built extremely tough. I look forward to good things to come...
Spooky |
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+1 |
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So you saying the next 93 revision will be completely aesthetically and mechanically different ? |
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Oh! You people suck! My wallet hates you!
I just bought a M93B, you see. But I must say, I'll be the first one to jump onto the trade-in program; I have no doubt that you'll make the new stock even better. (and the current one is pretty kickass as it is). I can't speak for other users, but I really appreciate that I'll have the opportunity to trade up in some fashion. I must say, however, that I was surprised how the M93B was put together, and how many screws and whatnot it has in it (for the clamshell type parts) -- I thought, there was no way that could be an easy item to make, not to mention the cost for materials. Guess I wasn't the only one to think that... |
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Since production will be streamlined and simplified, will this bring the price down?
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Geez, I haven't had a cjhance to get used to my recently purchased M93B yet.
PRS is on my short list. |
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I'm still buying a 93B as soon as I hear back from who I ordered it from.
Bomber |
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Cool. Can't wait for the prototype.
This is a sure sign that your business is expanding, always a good thing. Just one request Rich, can we expect am poptional rubber butt pad (and perhpas even storage compartments)? Regards, Justin |
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I'll wait. But I am curious about one thing -- what happens to all the old 93's that get traded in for the new upgrades? Will these be put on the market at a discount? Are we talking about "going into the showroom and picking up a lease turn in" at a discount?
BTW, I was just up in Boulder today. |
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Richard -
does this mean that the rumored enhancements for the M93 (like a no slip butt pad) are not going to happen? Does this affect the timing for the release of the M95? thanks |
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MagPul's M93 series is one awesome stock design - knowing Richard the new stock will shake up the industry again - Good Luck!
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you mean they've been selling us
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If you can't spell, "experimental", you shouldn't use it. |
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Thanks, like you've never misspelled a word before Internet spelling/grammar nazi strikes again If you can't understand the fact that people don't do spell checks on the internet, then maybe you should just shut up. |
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Let's hear it for a company that relentlessly improves its products, in pursuit of absolute perfection!
-z |
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+1. If it's made 6X faster, it sounds like it would be more efficient, thus less $$$ going into each stock. I'm not trying to sound cheap, but the college student in me wants to know.
Another +1. I would not feel shorted with "antiquated" technology. WIZZO |
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I was going to order a Tan one last week and my dealer told me to hold off because he didn't know if the Tan M93's were even available any more
I have a new build coming up and if you need a "prototype tester" I would gladly offer my services |
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i loved the old ones
i guess i will hold of for much better prices on the m93 come time |
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AMEN Brother! Its funny that people don't bitch at Ford or Chevy when they release a new upgraded model EVERY YEAR. When a tactical gear manufacturer does it, people get all pissed off. C4 |
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I hope the styling in the new design will match the AR15 better, the M93a/b isnt exactly something that looks like it belongs on there anyways (robot foot).
sorry, my opinion. now, the new stock that has the raised cheek-weld plate on it, thats beauty! it actually looks like the lower gave birth to it and matches perfectly. The M93a/b looks like the neighbors kid or something The M93a/b has straight lines and right angles where the lower and upper has curves, it doesnt match at all. |
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Dear Magpul,
I'll gladly accept your donation of a M93. Another reason why you set the standard in AR gear. |
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Sorry, but your comment was so ignorant, that it had to be pointed out. You will have to excuse me for not getting into the first grade "you shutup" games with you. |
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If you can make it less "RoboCop\Transformer-ish" and lighter while retaining all the great features that the current design already has that would be great in my book.
Will it also be cheaper seeing how it will be 6 times quicker (and so I also assume easier) to make? If you guys can find a way to make it lighter and cheaper AND better looking, man that would be sweet! |
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Sounds like the use of aluminum is going to shoot up, so I'm not sure the new stock is going to be cheaper. And if the stock is going to be bombproof, I wouldn't bet on lighter, either. More rigid, stronger, better designed, quicker to build, fewer parts - pretty much all we can count on at this point.
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Trade in the 93B my ass...
I'll just have to get another AR going. Now what is this about a 93B2 - what am I missing by not having the B2? SC |
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I look forward to the new stock. The old one seemed really good, so if the new one is an improvement, we really can't lose. Now the wait begins......
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Well, it's about time the m93 was discontinued. I was getting a liittle peeved about having a current state of the art stock on my ARMS sir ancient AR Now they will both be yesterdays news, although probably always my favorite!! I for one LOVE the m93, and it's robot leg look.
Guess i'll have to buy another new fangled magpul product and fnally try out a larue rail system to go with it. Figure if you can't beat em, join em. I need a better job.......or one less wife....... |
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HAHA, thats funny, an AR accessory manufacturer lowering their price. We hava a comedian here. |
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anybody? What is the difference between the 93B and the 93B2?
The strike plate? Edit to add: I see now the "instead of re tooling for the 93B2" - i got it now. The 93B2 was on the drawing board. I'll go back to sleep now. |
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+1 on all points. The new stock will be a little more expensive to cover the material and production tooling costs. It will also be a little heavier to make it even stronger. The M93B was never considered light weight or flimsy before. I can't wait to see the new ones! Those of us who have the 93B will be first in line for the upgrade I am sure. Magpul has always taken care of their customers extreamly well. I am very happy with the M93Bs that I run on my own ARs. I doubt we will have much of a problem selling through our existing M93B stocks considering the quality of the current product and the ability to upgrade later on! Talon Arms.com |
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Crap.
Now I'll be forced to buy a new-style M93/95 in addition to the PRS? Looking forward to it (and I'll be keeping the M93 I have now, thanks)! |
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Are you talking about the same reason so many people love the magpul- there is no longer a lip or dropoff? The top of the tube where you cheek goes is fairly uniform. Wow. Only 3 degenerates offered to receive free products and call themselves beta testers so far? I thought there'd be more. For those of you who were joking, no offense. |
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Then it would've been better if you were to point out my ignorance, rather than my "spelling error". Besides my original comment was sort of a joke, I guess I used the wrong kind of smiley or something. |
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