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Posted: 5/8/2005 7:38:10 PM EDT
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Winchester Q3131A and Federal XM193 same problem with both brands. |
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Posted: 6/12/2005 11:35:30 AM EDT
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Tag.
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Posted: 6/12/2005 5:41:08 PM EDT
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I shot my 16" M4 with a 9mm buffer for the first time today. The recoil seemed harder... almost like an AR10.
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Posted: 6/12/2005 5:41:56 PM EDT
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It also seems to get rid of the annoying buffer spring noise.
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Posted: 6/12/2005 6:23:01 PM EDT
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Stainless,
Thanks for the very accurate information. The x-buffer works nice to reduce the rate of fire on full auto M-16's. Best regards, Frank |
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Posted: 6/12/2005 6:25:54 PM EDT
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FWIW, I had forgotten I'd put the 9mm into my carbine. Went through a few hundred rounds messing around and I remembered the change on the way home. Recoil seemed more solid and I'm not sure I'd call it an improvement. I'm guessing the 9mm buffer might have been part of why the AK and CETME I fired didn't seem to kick, everything seemed similar that day...
I'll do a side by side trial with my new 14.5" build next week and revisit the issue. I will get another H buffer for the second carbine though. |
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Posted: 6/12/2005 6:48:46 PM EDT
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I really would have liked to buy an X buffer, but the $100 price tag was just a little much for me. I AM very happy it is working well for you. S |
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Posted: 6/12/2005 6:53:42 PM EDT
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yes. heavier rifle |
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Posted: 6/15/2005 12:17:22 PM EDT
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I finally got to try the 9mm buffer on my 16" middy w/carbine stock.
I works like a dream. Yeah it's a bigger slower push but it gave me no problems in rapid fire staying on target. The lack of snap was weird at first. I'm sold with no reason to switch back. I ran it with wolf, and federal 55 gr. As well as Radway 62gr with no cycling problems at all. Thanks Stainless. JR |
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Posted: 6/16/2005 6:16:06 PM EDT
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AWESOME. mine has now logged over 3k rounds of wolf, and is running just fine. |
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Posted: 6/17/2005 5:10:01 PM EDT
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Yep, my position was reinforced today. I was having faster splits and better tracking with a standard CAR buffer, not even an H. It isn't marked anyway, and is what came with my VLTOR, so I could be wrong about it not being an H. |
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Posted: 6/30/2005 7:13:53 AM EDT
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tag
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Posted: 6/30/2005 11:06:44 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/30/2005 2:05:03 PM EDT
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It's not that important to me, I know it isn't H marked. I agree, I have a backup buffer that I can play with when I get bored with 'old reliable', or want to preserve my brass so it isn't stretched when I take a knee and dent the snot out of it 
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Posted: 7/1/2005 4:43:02 PM EDT
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Does anyone know what the LMT H-buffers weigh? Are they a regular H or a 2H?
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Posted: 8/23/2005 7:33:33 PM EDT
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tag
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Posted: 9/8/2005 7:07:17 PM EDT
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Check with Rock River Arms. I think they retail their 9mm buffer for $24.00 This may work for you and the price is about 1/4 of the Colt "X" buffer. |
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Posted: 10/4/2005 2:36:07 PM EDT
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Im confuzzled, so are you saying that the standard VLTOR buffer did better? Or does better than the standard CAR buffer to begin with? Wasnt aware VLTORs buffer was any different than a standard CAR one. |
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Posted: 10/5/2005 9:12:32 AM EDT
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A carbine with a rifle length stock and rifle buffer 5.15 ounces is almost equal to a carbine with a collapsible stock with a 9MM buffer 5.47 ounces so why is nobody complaining about the kick of a carbine with the full rifle stock. Or does the extra .32 ounces make that big of a difference. no flame intended just curoius |
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Posted: 10/5/2005 9:21:47 AM EDT
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I swear by the 9mm buffers now. My 2 carbines are operating smoother and are ejecting more towards the rear (unlike throwing the empties in front of me at about the 1-1:30 position).
This also means that the action of my carbine isn't beating itself into an early demise. I'm very happy with them, but can't bring myself to get anything more expensive than the RRA 9mm buffers. WIZZO |
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Posted: 10/5/2005 9:34:20 AM EDT
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tag
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Posted: 10/5/2005 10:24:10 AM EDT
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Anybody know what comes in the long ACE skeely stock? I guess I could find a digital scale and wiegh it.
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Posted: 10/5/2005 10:34:34 AM EDT
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I just ordered a 9mm buffer from ADCO becasue of this thred,
 hope it's worth it, if not I'll use it on my SBR build when ever that is thanks for the tip hope it works.
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Posted: 10/5/2005 12:55:04 PM EDT
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It's worth it. |
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Posted: 10/5/2005 4:59:17 PM EDT
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tag for later reading
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Posted: 10/6/2005 3:31:19 AM EDT
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The long Ace Skeleton stock uses a rifle length buffer, so it would be 5.x ounces, and this topic would be non-applicable. |
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Posted: 10/6/2005 7:35:41 AM EDT
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A nugget of info that probably doesn't mean a whole lot to most, but may be pertinent to some:
I have a chopped 20" Dissy upper that is showing intermittent FTF issues using Wolf ammo, an M16 carrier and a 9mm buffer. This is the weakest ammo, with the heaviest moving mass, so issues like this are likely in a custom build. I could tweak the gas port more, but I'll likely just not shoot Wolf ammo in this or swap to an H buffer and see if the lighter moving mass can correct the issue. FWIW. |
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Posted: 10/6/2005 8:28:28 AM EDT
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I'am going to try one of these , thanks for the information
Copdills 
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Posted: 10/6/2005 9:18:32 AM EDT
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Doesn't really surprise me. I have had last round bolt lockback failure a few times with all of my ARs when using Wolf, even with standard weight buffers. Never have failures of any kind with other ammo, not even cheap stuff like Norinco yellow box or Silver Bear, and certainly not with XM193 or the like. Also have a buddy who has an BM M17S which has a strong return spring and has issues shooting Wolf because it doesn't cycle the bolt all the way 100% of the time, he never has issues with XM193 or WWB. I can't see modifying a rifle to work with underpowered ammo like Wolf, when it works well with full strength ammo like XM193, BH, WWB, Q3131A, Rem green Box, PMC, etc, etc. I still shoot Wolf polymer coated .223 for plinking from time to time, but I just accept that there will be few issues due to the underpowered nature of it, and leave it at that. No way I'm modifying anything to accomodate Wolf though, when there is nothing wrong with the rifle. |
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Posted: 10/6/2005 10:25:37 AM EDT
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Pretty much my feelings also. The first two range trips with the 9mm buffer, the Dissy upper worked great. On the third, it started to hiccup on Wolf. It runs great on S&B, Win White box, 77gr handloads and my M855 handloads. It is pretty much narrowed down to the Wolf ammo being the weak link. Surprise, surprise. Generally speaking, since this is a 9mm buffer thread, don't be surprised if, when adding a 9mm buffer, that you see some problems when running Wolf ammo. The ammo is underpowered to begin with, and adding weight to the moving mass can and will cause problems, even in standard configurations. FWIW. |
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Posted: 10/6/2005 12:31:49 PM EDT
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 I have a 20" A2 upper with a 6 position stock on it with a standard CAR buffer and standard AR carrier (full circle at the rear and cut under the firing pin). With Wolf 62gr (does the same with 55gr), it will eject to my rear at about the 4-4:30 position. The same place a standard 20" with a rifle stock ejects. It sounds like you really have a heavier operating system with the M16 carrier and 9mm buffer. I'd be willing to bet an H buffer or even a CAR buffer would make it run fine on Wolf. My opinion, anyways. WIZZO |
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Posted: 10/6/2005 2:08:36 PM EDT
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man, have a 9mmbuffer that came with my colt6450
cant decide on what to use it in. 
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Posted: 10/30/2005 9:53:23 PM EDT
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tag, (i hope)
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Posted: 11/12/2005 12:20:39 AM EDT
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I like using Wolf (more trigger time
) and I think the 14.5" M4gery currently has a 3oz carbine buffer (I think, it's not stamped & is the standard one that came with the RRA 6-POS stock). Would a 4.7oz H2 be a good "middle road" before stepping up to the H3/9mm ~5.55oz buffers? |
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Posted: 11/12/2005 2:33:22 AM EDT
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Thanks for the information I'am going to try this myself , sounds like a very good combo
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Posted: 11/12/2005 3:42:31 AM EDT
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RRA makes a spacer for A2 stocks which allow use of 9mike-mike buffers
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Posted: 11/12/2005 4:31:08 AM EDT
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I have a video of slow then rapid fire with a 9mm buffer on my AR15...
If you guys want to see the muzzle rize and recoil of the rifle I can share it. I just need someone to host it. Its a close up video and you get to the rifle clear as day. |
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Posted: 11/12/2005 5:17:04 AM EDT
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tag
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