Ok by popular request I opened up an account at hunt101 to host some pictures. First let me bore you with the story of how this all happened.

So I drive down to my local range on a weekday afternoon and I notice that the normally chained off area of the range is full of people. They only open that side on the weekends or when the range is full on the weekdays. I walk up to the tables and see that the rang isn't full and that these guys just have that area just chained off for themselves. My friend who is one of the range masters comes up to me to tell me that those guys are the stationed SEAL team and came out for some fire practice. I have no idea why they came out to our public range but they did. He said that they are pretty friendly and I should try walk over because they had some pretty nice stuff. He also goes "They have that gun you like too." I was like "What gun?" and he goes the SR25. That's all it took to get me running over there.

Some things of note: Their entire M4s were camoflaged, even the ACOGs and spotting scopes. They were all TA01NSN with the front tritium sight knocked out. They all used crane type stocks and Knight's Armament RIS' with no cover panels. They told me that they didn't even bother using the front sight on the ACOG. But they left the rear ghost ring on to engage targets within 20 ft (or maybe they said 30 ft.?). They did have two other bolt action sniper rifles that I could not identify but I didn't bother to take a picture of them. One of their M4 bins was painted black with the punisher skull on it. I was so inspired that I went home, made a stencil and painted the ammo can for my brass like that. Now people at the range look at me funny when I put that can up. I realized how these guys are issued this stuff and don't even know the value of it. When one of the guys let me take a picture of the MK11 in the case I said "Wow, that's a $7000 gun." And he replied "Nahhhh, it's not that expensive."

I apologize for the quality of the pictures as I only had my camera phone on me. I also didn't take that many picutres because I didn't want them to think I was spying or something.


Putting the toys away. And yes I know it looks like that guy is peeing in the box.


I have to get me one of those.


It looked way better in person. But from the way it turned out in this picture I would call it "tableflage".


You can't see me seeing you.


This guy was was one of their snipers (or is it DM?). But he was big enough to throw bullets at the bad guys if he had to.


Yes that is the suppressor in the case! I contemplated how fast I could run...

Probably not fast enough to run about 1200 meters in the time it would take to push two pins, load a mag, and gun you down

Shouldn't you be blurring those guys' faces?

Shit man that ain't nothing, the local gun show must have half the teams there on the weekend.

Quoted: Shouldn't you be blurring those guys' faces?

If someone could blur the picture for me that would be great. I have no photo editing program.

Quoted: Quoted: Shouldn't you be blurring those guys' faces? If someone could blur the picture for me that would be great. I have no photo editing program.

Until you can edit the photos, it ,ight be a good idea to delete them.  I don't think that they would appreciate having their pictures posted on an open forum.

Second that...pull the pics until they are "fixed"...these guys dont need the publicity.

scottinhawaii, Looks like you had a fun day. Personally, I would not worry about the photos. I only see one closeup and its not clear enough to identify anybody.

I would say that the sniper pic would be the only one that I would be concerned about bluring out.  

Quoted: scottinhawaii, Looks like you had a fun day. Personally, I would not worry about the photos. I only see one closeup and its not clear enough to identify anybody.

See, now it's reasoning like that that caused you boys to lose the war

Scott, shoot them to me, I'll take care of the blurring.  [email protected]

Quoted: Quoted: scottinhawaii, Looks like you had a fun day. Personally, I would not worry about the photos. I only see one closeup and its not clear enough to identify anybody. See, now it's reasoning like that that caused you boys to lose the war

Did you think of that all by yourself?

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Shouldn't you be blurring those guys' faces? If someone could blur the picture for me that would be great. I have no photo editing program. Until you can edit the photos, it ,ight be a good idea to delete them.  I don't think that they would appreciate having their pictures posted on an open forum.

Ditto!  I surprized the DM let you photo him.

Hey- no drama- the edited 'big sniper' pic is here:
www.pbase.com/image/31443445
just put that in your hunt101 account instead.
HTH

What scope were they using on the SR-25?

Thanks for pics! But yeah, at least tile ou the faces on the pics out with rough pixels or blur out of courtesy. Although I have seen faces of seals on some of the .mil stes, probably not a good idea to to advertise locations frequented,etc.

Very cool setup. Now I may have to try a crane stock! No better review on equipment than seeing what is standard for our elite fighters IMHO.

Quoted: Quoted: scottinhawaii, Looks like you had a fun day. Personally, I would not worry about the photos. I only see one closeup and its not clear enough to identify anybody. See, now it's reasoning like that that caused you boys to lose the war

Damn Yankees!

It ain't over!

red X's

these seals are obviously not conserned with there pics being taken or published.they are shooting at a public range!and they allowed the photos to be taken.you can see active seal team members all the time on the history channel and discovery.the only time they care about there identity is when they are actively involved in covert missions.im sure you could contact there public relations liason people and ask them if you should blur the photos. they may ask you to do so.if so that would be the right thing to do. but more than likely its not a prob. now if you published photos of some british sas troopers.. id move to syberia and change my name, they frown on that sorta thing.Bently

Thanks Scott, interesting pics, and IM sent with a altered pic.

Thanks for sharing!!! I'd blur them for ya and then email them back to you to post. But you really should go ahead and delete the images which show faces ASAP. Then you can repost them in your thread after someone blurs them for you.
I can "black card" the eyes and noses of the guys. Send me an email and I'll get them done for you within the day.

I have a friend that "invests" in all sorts of weird projects. One of them was a flat bottom Swamp Boat with 2 jet turbine engines on it. The SEALS showed up at a "testing area" in Florida to demo the craft. They brought along some of their "equipment" to test the boat as a launch platform for other craft.
These guys are tough operators. All the best toys!!!

Bah. Low quality pics, I think the only way to id someone from those is to get into the military photo id database and look through all of them. Short of someone being on the inside or a computer security specialist it would be pretty damned hard to get the ID's of people who are in the specops community.

Cool pics and story - thanks for posting!

Where are the "fixed " pixs?

This seems like a GD topic to me.  Sweet pics tho.  

So what were their shot groupings like?

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: scottinhawaii, Looks like you had a fun day. Personally, I would not worry about the photos. I only see one closeup and its not clear enough to identify anybody. See, now it's reasoning like that that caused you boys to lose the war Damn Yankees! It ain't over! Someone should have smacked the idiot on the left for wearing sun glasses.

Lol I laughed when I saw that. Maybe he's an armed blind man

I cant see anything can u mail them to me @[email protected] thanks Chris

Photo fixed. Thanks to everyone that sent me edited pics. As for those few that see the X's I'm not sure why.

Why would they be using a public range?

Personally I believe it had something to do with just getting off base into paradise. The only public range on my island (Oahu) is right next to the ocean also.

Ditto! I surprized the DM let you photo him.

Believe it or not he posed like he was shooting first. I didn't take a picture because I didn't realize he was posing.

What scope were they using on the SR-25?

It looked like the specially calibrated Leupold scope that comes in the MK11 package.

So what were their shot groupings like?

Well to be honest, not very impressive. But I only looked at the M4 targets, I didn't see the targets they were using for the high power rifles. But I'm sure these guys are more concerned about shooting for minute of dead than splitting hairs. And here I am trying to get two inch groups out of my 14.5 in. barrel... silly me! One of them even had "Bad Boy" eyes taped on to his target. They were allowed to use silhouette targets and we can't

scottinhawaii, Looks like you had a fun day.

That was probably the most exciting day I had at the range ever. I learned I should carry my digital camera more often. The best part was about how cool those guys were. They were all fun guys and weren't stuck up at all. The best part was they looked like they were having a fun time out there shooting. [/inspired]

In movies, Navy SEALS are all built like Conan the Barbarian.  These guys look just like average Joes to me.  What's up with that?

Quoted: In movies, Navy SEALS are all built like Conan the Barbarian.  These guys look just like average Joes to me.  What's up with that?

Bill Paxton does not look like Conan.

Now it's those Black OP guys that are huge. Mr. universe', Olympic Triathletes, Pro-wrestlers and of course the token guy with glasses. They have to be big in order to kill aliens.

Quoted: In movies, Navy SEALS are all built like Conan the Barbarian.  These guys look just like average Joes to me.  What's up with that?

I'd feel comfortable saying that the average SEAL is probably no bigger than the average American male.  The difference is they are all superbly physically fit.  It's a swimmer's body thing.  Of course, there are exceptions.

Quoted: They were allowed to use silhouette targets and we can't

You can't use silhouette targets? what kind of nazi crap is that?
I've never been to a range, pistol or rifle that did not allow a silhouette or any other paper target I wanted, and I have been to most of the ranges in Dallas/Fort Worth.

That would really irritate me if I was told I could not have a silhouette target.
I can't even see any rationale behind restricting paper targets, especially if you're shooting defensive handgun.

Quoted: Quoted: They were allowed to use silhouette targets and we can't You can't use silhouette targets? what kind of nazi crap is that? I've never been to a range, pistol or rifle that did not allow a silhouette or any other paper target I wanted, and I have been to most of the ranges in Dallas/Fort Worth. That would really irritate me if I was told I could not have a silhouette target. I can't even see any rationale behind restricting paper targets, especially if you're shooting defensive handgun.

Hey don't forget that you live in the gun capital of the US. Some of our gun laws are pretty close to the communist republic of kalifornia. Purchasing a handgun here is a pain and a half. You need to take a hunters education or hand gun safety course first. Then you get a certificate of completion. Then you take that certificate with you to the gun store to purchase the hand gun (although you can't take it with you). You then take the receipt and certificate to the main police station and submit for a permit to aquire the hand gun. Then two weeks later you go back to pick up your permit (providing you cleared) then you go back to the gun store and they give you the gun. Then you take the gun back to the main police station to register it. You have to go through these steps for every hand gun purchase (except aquiring your hunters/hand gun safety certificate). Purchasing a rilfe/shotgun is only half as easy .

Moral of the story is appreciate living in Texas!

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They were allowed to use silhouette targets and we can't You can't use silhouette targets? what kind of nazi crap is that? I've never been to a range, pistol or rifle that did not allow a silhouette or any other paper target I wanted, and I have been to most of the ranges in Dallas/Fort Worth. That would really irritate me if I was told I could not have a silhouette target. I can't even see any rationale behind restricting paper targets, especially if you're shooting defensive handgun. Hey don't forget that you live in the gun capital of the US. Some of our gun laws are pretty close to the communist republic of kalifornia. Purchasing a handgun here is a pain and a half. You need to take a hunters education or hand gun safety course first. Then you get a certificate of completion. Then you take that certificate with you to the gun store to purchase the hand gun (although you can't take it with you). You then take the receipt and certificate to the main police station and submit for a permit to aquire the hand gun. Then two weeks later you go back to pick up your permit (providing you cleared) then you go back to the gun store and they give you the gun. Then you take the gun back to the main police station to register it. You have to go through these steps for every hand gun purchase (except aquiring your hunters/hand gun safety certificate). Purchasing a rilfe/shotgun is only half as easy . Moral of the story is appreciate living in Texas!

I was stationed in Kaneohe Bay while I was in the Marine Corps and couldn't stand the gun laws there. I spent half my time in Wild West Guns there drooling over all the AR's and AK's they had because I was under 21 at the time and in Hawaii you cant even buy a shotgun under 21, at least then you couldn't. I hated it... And I am originaly a Texan...

Believe me, I do appreciate living in Texas when it comes to gun ownership. it's just the first time I've ever heard of anything so draconian as restricting your paper targets. Is that a state law, or just a PC thing the ranges do? My God what are we coming to. Next thing we will have to have bright orange furniture for out rifles and a flashing yellow strobe when we are transporting them in our vehicles.

I do agree with the gun safety course requirement, though (although not the rest of of the procedure for aquiring a handgun in HI). We had one bonehead who showed up for the concealed handgun license class I was in and when it came time to qualify, he did not hit the target once because he had NEVER fired a handgun before (most  people go the the range and at least practice a bit beforehand). He was so scared of it, he shot all over the place and even shot down the cable holding the target. He didn't know how to hold the semiautomatic pistol, and ended up cutting his hand open on the slide, and bled all over the place. They had to take him aside during the lunch break and tutor him to be able to requalify. The targets were so close you could have thrown cartridges at them and still qualified (and yes, it was a standard silhouette target). He was  definitely unsafe at any distance.

Scott I'll think about you next time I shoot up an FBI silhouette target.

DM1975 - I actually live in Kaneohe right across the bay from where you were stationed. Funny thing you mentioned Wild West Guns. My cousin took over that store after the Wild West gun guys decided to sell. Hope you enjoy your time in paradise nontheless.

_DR - I agree with a mandatory safety course also but a handgun specific course. I don't agree with being able to purchase a hand gun after going to a hunters education course. I've seen a few idiots at the range that have obviously went this route. I believe the reason we can't use silhouette targets is just a PC thing at the range and not a state law. The Police range which is right across from the public range always uses silhouette targets. They also discourage the shooting of live targets, but believe me that doesn't stop a few of us heh.

Thanks for thinking of me. Everytime someone thinks of me, somewhere in the world a fairy gets hit by a ricochet.

Link to the website of the range they were at: home.hawaii.rr.com/khsc/

The only public range on Oahu, home to over 1 million people.  No rapid firing, no loading more than 5 rounds in a firearm, no silhouette targets.  Have a nice day.

Quoted: Quoted: In movies, Navy SEALS are all built like Conan the Barbarian.  These guys look just like average Joes to me.  What's up with that? Bill Paxton does not look like Conan. Now it's those Black OP guys that are huge. Mr. universe', Olympic Triathletes, Pro-wrestlers and of course the token guy with glasses. They have to be big in order to kill aliens.

Many of the Black OPs spooks that I saw on base looked like Hell's Angles, biker types... beards, lots of hair, skin ink and yes, huge. That was back in the days before Panama.

Quoted: Quoted: In movies, Navy SEALS are all built like Conan the Barbarian.  These guys look just like average Joes to me.  What's up with that? I'd feel comfortable saying that the average SEAL is probably no bigger than the average American male.  The difference is they are all superbly physically fit.  It's a swimmer's body thing.  Of course, there are exceptions.

Sir, you left out "mentally fit". These guys are sharp... real sharp!

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They were allowed to use silhouette targets and we can't You can't use silhouette targets? what kind of nazi crap is that? I've never been to a range, pistol or rifle that did not allow a silhouette or any other paper target I wanted, and I have been to most of the ranges in Dallas/Fort Worth. That would really irritate me if I was told I could not have a silhouette target. I can't even see any rationale behind restricting paper targets, especially if you're shooting defensive handgun. Hey don't forget that you live in the gun capital of the US. Some of our gun laws are pretty close to the communist republic of kalifornia. Purchasing a handgun here is a pain and a half. You need to take a hunters education or hand gun safety course first. Then you get a certificate of completion. Then you take that certificate with you to the gun store to purchase the hand gun (although you can't take it with you). You then take the receipt and certificate to the main police station and submit for a permit to aquire the hand gun. Then two weeks later you go back to pick up your permit (providing you cleared) then you go back to the gun store and they give you the gun. Then you take the gun back to the main police station to register it. You have to go through these steps for every hand gun purchase (except aquiring your hunters/hand gun safety certificate). Purchasing a rilfe/shotgun is only half as easy . Moral of the story is appreciate living in Texas!

I hear that you guys in Hawaii can't have hicap mags if that same mag will fit a pistol...ie, the 30rd. HK MP5 mag will also fit the HK SP89 (a pistol) so that mag is banned in Hawaii. Is that correct???? Those damn "Happy" people are tryin' to kill all of our fun!!!

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: In movies, Navy SEALS are all built like Conan the Barbarian.  These guys look just like average Joes to me.  What's up with that? I'd feel comfortable saying that the average SEAL is probably no bigger than the average American male.  The difference is they are all superbly physically fit.  It's a swimmer's body thing.  Of course, there are exceptions. Sir, you left out "mentally fit". These guys are sharp... real sharp!

There's one big thing to consider - big, burly bodybuilder types often need tons of food and nourishment to keep going at 100%.  Elite teams may have to go for days without real food, their calorie consumption must be far less. Mental toughness and endurance are better attributes for them than massive muscle and isometric strength.

Quoted: Yes that is the suppressor in the case! I contemplated how fast I could run...

... not faster than 2800 FPS

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They were allowed to use silhouette targets and we can't You can't use silhouette targets? what kind of nazi crap is that? I've never been to a range, pistol or rifle that did not allow a silhouette or any other paper target I wanted, and I have been to most of the ranges in Dallas/Fort Worth. That would really irritate me if I was told I could not have a silhouette target. I can't even see any rationale behind restricting paper targets, especially if you're shooting defensive handgun. Hey don't forget that you live in the gun capital of the US. Some of our gun laws are pretty close to the communist republic of kalifornia. Purchasing a handgun here is a pain and a half. You need to take a hunters education or hand gun safety course first. Then you get a certificate of completion. Then you take that certificate with you to the gun store to purchase the hand gun (although you can't take it with you). You then take the receipt and certificate to the main police station and submit for a permit to aquire the hand gun. Then two weeks later you go back to pick up your permit (providing you cleared) then you go back to the gun store and they give you the gun. Then you take the gun back to the main police station to register it. You have to go through these steps for every hand gun purchase (except aquiring your hunters/hand gun safety certificate). Purchasing a rilfe/shotgun is only half as easy . Moral of the story is appreciate living in Texas! I hear that you guys in Hawaii can't have hicap mags if that same mag will fit a pistol...ie, the 30rd. HK MP5 mag will also fit the HK SP89 (a pistol) so that mag is banned in Hawaii. Is that correct???? Those damn "Happy" people are tryin' to kill all of our fun!!!

Yes this is true. It is a misdemeanor to posess any hicap magazine for a gun that can fit into a pistol or rifle with a pistol variant. It is a felony to have one of these magazines inserted into the firearm. So no one is even supposed to have any AR15 hicaps even though there is only ONE AR15 pistol registered in the state. Kind of retarded huh? But as long as there is no pistol variant you're ok. So M14/M1As, AKs, etc. magazines are fine. How many states have this law?

Quoted: In movies, Navy SEALS are all built like Conan the Barbarian.  These guys look just like average Joes to me.  What's up with that? hr

I had the privelage of being in the company of a SEAL team while i was in the Navy. Let me tell you that most of them are just ordinary guys of ordinary build. Granted some are bigger, but for the most part they're avergae build. Doesn't mean i wouldn't want to piss them off though. lol.

Quoted: I'd feel comfortable saying that the average SEAL is probably no bigger than the average American male.  The difference is they are all superbly physically fit.  It's a swimmer's body thing.  Of course, there are exceptions.

Yep. I was a competive swimmer from age 8 until I was 22. I used to swim at a club with a guy who had just retired form a SEAL team and was working private security. I could swim laps for hours but he would run me into the ground.

I could smoke him on 25s, 50s, and 100s though.

Quoted: In movies, Navy SEALS are all built like Conan the Barbarian.  These guys look just like average Joes to me.  What's up with that? hr

Endurance and strength are probably their primary concerns physically, and in that order.  I know lots of guys who can do the "human flag" and hold it for 30-40 seconds and they're build like fast lean runners.  The muscle heads are just big and bulky :)

Reading all the stuff, I can just say this, there is now friggin way I would like in HI.  Thank God I live in TN!!