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Posted: 9/12/2008 10:32:34 AM EDT
Jeff,
Where can find some information about CMMG's M4LE model?? Im either very dense or very blind as i cant find it in your website... Thanks much!! |
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The M4LE is a RSR exclusive, available though any of there many dealers, that is why is is not on our website.
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That is correct. The M4LE uses more modern processes and is a lesser priced rifle that still offers a lifetime warranty and advantages over other manufacturer's products. Barrels are 1/9 4140 w/M4 cuts and are WASP treated. Comes with a flip rear sight, 30 round magazine, sling and cleaning kit.
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Is this in reference to your piston upper? Who is RSR. Just looking if anyone is going to have the piston upper only for sale and what price it will be. Thanks. |
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Jeff,
Thanks for the info..... Couple of questions then I'll stop being a pest........ Barrel..... Im assimg a 14.5 with perm hider??? And how would you describe weight..... lightweight.... gov profile.... SOCOM???? Thanks again Fixer |
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16" M4 profile
RSR is a Major distributor for firearms most dealers should be able to order it for you. |
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What type of rear sight does it come with? I haven't seen it specified anywhere.
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Hi, I'm also interested in this model. Is it also MP tested and chrome lined?
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I ended up picking one of these up.... nice little rifle.
The barrels are WASP finished, not chrome. Shot the 100rds of 55g winchester white box I ran through it the other day pretty well. I'm gonna work up some loads on the 65gr winchester ppt or the Sierra 65 grain Game Kings and see how they do. |
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Just out of curiosity, where did the M4LE name come from? I can't seem to find it stamped anywhere on the rifle, is that just what it's being called now? I've been calling it my "WASP Carbine".
Also, I hear a lot of people say that MP testing(or lack thereof) should really only concern people that are over in Iraq or something along those lines...but many, including myself, think MP testing is important in general because it's another test to ensure quality and performance of the rifle we're buying. Could I ask why you guys don't MP test the M4LEs? I wouldn't see it as any sort of deal-breaker that the M4LE isn't MP tested because you guys obviously make awesome products, you have great customer support and the lifetime warranty. Just you sitting on here answering our endless questions is enough for me to stick around and continue to use your rifles. Do you plan on using this new WASP coating on any of your other rifles, to make it available to the public directly from you rather than through RSR? Do you plan on selling upper assemblies with the WASP coating? I'll be honest and admit that after finding out what rifle I had purchased, the first thought that went through my mind was "I just spent that much to get one of those badass CMMGs I keep hearing about, got what sounds like a 'budget cmmg' and now I'm really worried". But with every question I ask, I get a quick answer from you guys and I'm really likin' this M4LE now that I know more about it. |
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I think this question deserves an answer. I just purchased on of these rifles for a hefty sum. let's put it this way, it cost quite a bit more than the Stag I bought before the Obama fears. I understand that manufacturers have high end and low end products. But what I don't understand is why we can't get specific info on the WASP M4LE rifle. My rifle came with an Army M-16A2 manual.
I think the customers want more information on this rifle. Ok, you made it for RSR group, but it says CMMG on it. I have not been able to find any info on the CMMG site and I have not received any responses to my phone calls. I am hoping this is an excellent rifle. You say WASP treatment is better than chrome, but your present rifles are offered in chrome. The M4LE is made from 4140 steel, not 4150, how does that affect the weapon? The poster asked about the MP testings months ago. I think he deserves an answer. Maybe CMMG could just post a link to the details of this weapon to satisfy customer concerns and insterest. Also, could anyone who has had this model for an extended period give us a report on reliability etc? Quoted:
Just out of curiosity, where did the M4LE name come from? I can't seem to find it stamped anywhere on the rifle, is that just what it's being called now? I've been calling it my "WASP Carbine". Also, I hear a lot of people say that MP testing(or lack thereof) should really only concern people that are over in Iraq or something along those lines...but many, including myself, think MP testing is important in general because it's another test to ensure quality and performance of the rifle we're buying. Could I ask why you guys don't MP test the M4LEs? I wouldn't see it as any sort of deal-breaker that the M4LE isn't MP tested because you guys obviously make awesome products, you have great customer support and the lifetime warranty. Just you sitting on here answering our endless questions is enough for me to stick around and continue to use your rifles. Do you plan on using this new WASP coating on any of your other rifles, to make it available to the public directly from you rather than through RSR? Do you plan on selling upper assemblies with the WASP coating? I'll be honest and admit that after finding out what rifle I had purchased, the first thought that went through my mind was "I just spent that much to get one of those badass CMMGs I keep hearing about, got what sounds like a 'budget cmmg' and now I'm really worried". But with every question I ask, I get a quick answer from you guys and I'm really likin' this M4LE now that I know more about it. |
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Thanks for the bump, JH. I still have the same questions I posted above...as well as the 4140/4150 question you posted. I searched around the net and can only find the details that were already covered.
Is the barrel assembly the only part of the M4LE that makes it different from say...a 16" chrome-lined M4 that could be ordered direct from the cmmg website? What else is different, if not just the barrel assembly? What was done to drop the price that much in comparison to the chrome-lined M4? I still have yet to have any issues with my M4LE...other than 3 FTF within the first 50 rounds of brass(problem seems to have disappeared). I have noticed my casings now eject at 3:00 instead of the usual 6:00...it changed almost instantly the other day while shooting XM193. First half of mag at 6, second half at 3...is this normal with break-in(about 300+/- rounds so far), or something naughty happened within the rifle? It seriously changed ejection path that fast, which was a bit odd to me. Haven't fired it since. |
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Thanks for the bump, JH. I still have the same questions I posted above...as well as the 4140/4150 question you posted. I searched around the net and can only find the details that were already covered.
I can answer the steel part, though it may be "details that were already covered." 4150 is stronger than 4140. Period. But you're only likely to notice the difference if you're firing pretty fast. Full auto or 3 round burst definitely requires 4150 CMV. Regular, very rapid semi-auto like in 3-gun competetion and things like that, you'd notice that 4150 barrels last longer. But with slow fire only, you'd absolutely never notice the difference. |
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thanks for the response, I am still waiting for the CMMG response. When you say 4140 will not last as long with a lot of quick semi-auto firing, do you have an idea on how long it would last? say in round count? thanks Quoted:
Thanks for the bump, JH. I still have the same questions I posted above...as well as the 4140/4150 question you posted. I searched around the net and can only find the details that were already covered.
I can answer the steel part, though it may be "details that were already covered." 4150 is stronger than 4140. Period. But you're only likely to notice the difference if you're firing pretty fast. Full auto or 3 round burst definitely requires 4150 CMV. Regular, very rapid semi-auto like in 3-gun competetion and things like that, you'd notice that 4150 barrels last longer. But with slow fire only, you'd absolutely never notice the difference. |
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I know how you feel. I am still waiting to hear about the arrival of a rail system for the LE piston model. CMMG has been very quiet about it, and I am curious to know if it's still even being developed, or if I am SOL. CMMG?
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4140 is still a mil spec steel; it is what FN uses on the M16 A2 and M16A4 rifles. We wanting to make a rifle that is more attractive price-wise to departments in particular and still meet or exceed current standards. They utilize a crush washer instead of a peel washer and have straight pins (like LMT) instead of taper pins. The rifles also only come with 1 magazine. Barrels are 4140 but do still have M4 feedramps. The only difference between an LE rifle and our standard offerings is barrel steel and finish and the omission of 1 of the magazines.
About the LEP 4 rails, I responded to your thread with good news. Jeff |
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Thanks for the response Jeff. I probably paid a bit too much for my rifle, but it is a seller's market. After hearing from you, and some others in the know, it seems there really is not a heck of a lot to worry about. Time to get to shooting and zeroring this thing
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4140 is still a mil spec steel; it is what FN uses on the M16 A2 and M16A4 rifles. We wanting to make a rifle that is more attractive price-wise to departments in particular and still meet or exceed current standards. They utilize a crush washer instead of a peel washer and have straight pins (like LMT) instead of taper pins. The rifles also only come with 1 magazine. Barrels are 4140 but do still have M4 feedramps. The only difference between an LE rifle and our standard offerings is barrel steel and finish and the omission of 1 of the magazines. About the LEP 4 rails, I responded to your thread with good news. Jeff |
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one last question, how is the mag availability? I can't get to anyone by phone, are mags in stock or is there a wait for them too? thanks.
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I have one of these M4LEs i must admit now that i read the story behind them i think ill be selling one if anyone is intrested
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I have one of these M4LEs i must admit now that i read the story behind them i think ill be selling one if anyone is intrested I don't understand what you are trying to state here. Is there an issue with your rifle? Jeff |
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Jeff, what buffer tube do these have? Commerical or Mil-spec? I got it from the springfield show this weekend from you.
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I just wanted to say thanks Jeff, I recently bought your M4LEP WASP and I think its better than the 16A2 I carried in the service back in "93". I think some of these guys would just like a little more to read from your company about your products. As you know this crowd likes to make well informed decisions and gathers as much info as possible before they spend their money. Just something for you to think about.
Thanks again for your time. Dan |
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Thanks Jailer, I know we are running way behind on these.
Tubes are mil spec. Jeff |
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These M4LEs have been selling like hotcakes down here in Marshfield. John from The Rifleman just ordered 15 more, but there's no telling when they'll arrive due to everyone being on backorder.
I'm glad I bought mine like 3 months ago, just walked it and grabbed it off the shelf at a very good price. |
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Somewhere in the area of 750-850 I think, but you won't find them at that price anymore for obvious reasons.
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Thanks for the response Jeff. I probably paid a bit too much for my rifle, but it is a seller's market. After hearing from you, and some others in the know, it seems there really is not a heck of a lot to worry about. Time to get to shooting and zeroring this thing Quoted:
4140 is still a mil spec steel; it is what FN uses on the M16 A2 and M16A4 rifles. We wanting to make a rifle that is more attractive price-wise to departments in particular and still meet or exceed current standards. They utilize a crush washer instead of a peel washer and have straight pins (like LMT) instead of taper pins. The rifles also only come with 1 magazine. Barrels are 4140 but do still have M4 feedramps. The only difference between an LE rifle and our standard offerings is barrel steel and finish and the omission of 1 of the magazines. About the LEP 4 rails, I responded to your thread with good news. Jeff If I can ask....What did you pay? I found an M4LE w/ Quad rails for $1220. Is that too much? |
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I had roughly 850 in mine, and an additional $105 got me a brand new YHM quad rail. But this was pre-Obama, before prices skyrocketed.
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I wonder if the quad rail version is the M4LEP I ahve heard about. Is the YHM rail the one that CMMG puts on it?
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I also just bought a M4LE and was shocked to not find a manual. Have you found any current information on this rifle?
What ammo have you shot or would you recommend? Thanks, |
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They usually include the USMC M16 manual with their rifles, not an actual CMMG User's Manual. It should also come with a 2point sling and 1 GI 30rnd magazine, usually a C-Products from what I've noticed.
You'll also notice that they don't sell the M4LE, aka the wasp rifle, directly to the public. They don't offer any information at all on their web page about it either. It was a special run they did soley for distribution through RSR Group. I haven't heard anything yet about CMMG offering the WASP barrel assemblies/complete rifles directly to public. As for ammo...my CMMG ate everything I gave it, from XM193 to Wolf to TCW to PMC. The warranty states that any steel case ammo will void your warranty, so keep that in mind. I honestly don't know why that is, all that does is fuel the already rampant and false rumors going around about steel case in ARs. It shoots just fine, just gets your rifle a little dirtier because steel case doesn't expand like brass which allows for more blowback in the upper receiver. You're already shooting a direct impingement rifle...so dirty internals shouldn't be new to you. |
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Great, thank you! So I am assuming that you are happy with it thus far?
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Actually sold it, but I'm looking to buy another once the market bottoms out/prices drop.
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