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Posted: 9/14/2009 11:15:03 AM EDT
What is this I hear about ARMS issuing a cease and decist to Magpul for copyright infringement? Looks like all the MBUS auctions are getting yanked from Ebay.
Interesting.... oh, I wonder how long this thread will last? |
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And I'll serve you Swing your partners, all get screwed Bring your lawyer And I'll bring mine Get together, and we could have a bad time -George Harrison |
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Copyright infringement? Or patent infringement? I don't see a 17 on the MBUS anywhere.
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Boycott ARMS. I prefer not to buy from companies I consider overly litigious.
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Does ARMS make plastic ones or something? Pretty sure they don't. They can go hang out with H&K in my mind now I guess.
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For sale...."Pre Ban MBUS" only $200
I mean seriously I dont recall ARMS making anything remotely like these... |
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I own stuff by both, as well as tons of other crap made bu others. While I don't like lawyers anymore then the next person. ANY company has the right to protect it's designs, copyrights and patents. If anyone infringed on ARMS's rights then they should not be supprised on a lawsuit.
A company has the right to protect it's investments in research, design, etc. If another company makes something better then it better be dracally different or they gotta play by the rules and pay roalities if needed. I don't understand all the whinny folks that bitch about lawsuits like this, but would be the first one to object if someone reached into your own pocket and pulled cash from your wallet. That's what desgin infringements are, theft. but we'll have to see what the jury and judge have to say. Both companies make great stuff, as well as many of the other manuf.'s building AR15 parts. It's sad to see it come down to lawsuits, but it's also sad everyone is trying to cash in on other compaines desgins without respecting patents and copyrights. Which everyway the lawsuit turns out it would not stop me from buying any products from either side. That of course is my right, as is yours not to purchase from XYZ Company if you don't like them... Wether we like it or not we are still a nation of laws, both sides have to live within them. |
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If this is indeed true, I would like to see what item ARMS is claiming infringment.
That being said, ARMS still sucks and I will never own any of their "soft mounts" or other products, ever. |
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If this is indeed true, I would like to see what item ARMS is claiming infringment. That being said, ARMS still sucks and I will never own any of their "soft mounts" or other products, ever. No doubt. |
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I just quickly ordered another set of the MBUS from PK just in case these get pulled. Was waiting to get my upper back from ADCO to order. No harm in getting them early.
If this is true can we get a legal fund set up to help Magpul fight these losers? |
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Only thing that I found in a quick Google search was the other way around, Magpul's suing ARMS...
case linky Rumblings are it's over IP for sling designs. ARMS Swan Which does look a hell of a lot like an MS2 with a bungee in it. (Which would be kinda nice if some of the Magpul guys are reading...) |
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So, Dick is getting sued for using snap shackles and magpul maybe getting sued for using springs. Nice
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Looks that way. Little more digging brings up a case filled on the 2nd, Magpul Vs. ARMS; and one filled on the 10th, ARMS Vs. Magpul. Looks like "if you sue me, I'll sue you!"
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No, it wouldn't be like Dick Swan to sue anyone, would it?
Looks like ARMS does not Like Magpul, LaRue, or Troy Industries 3 suits against Troy, at least 1 against LaRue, and this new one with Magpul. |
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ARMS recently trademarked the term "Throw Lever" too. They're fishing for cash it seems.
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ARMS recently trademarked the term "Throw Lever" too. They're fishing for cash it seems. Can I trademark the term "firearm?" |
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I saw somewhere that the biggest reason the ones against Troy stood up was mainly because he used to work for them, so they had a solid trade secrets type of complaint. The Magpul cases are both Patent Infringement / Intellectual Property violation complaints. I guess we'll just have to sit back and see what happens.
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I just quickly ordered another set of the MBUS from PK just in case these get pulled. Was waiting to get my upper back from ADCO to order. No harm in getting them early. If this is true can we get a legal fund set up to help Magpul fight these losers? LOL! You think Magpul needs our money for a legal fund? |
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If that's really what they're pissed about, I think they'd have a hard time with the case. I could see if Magpul had the notch in the top for CQB, but simply having flip up variable apertures is far from a new thing.
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Magpul is aware that ARMS is alleging infringement of an ARMS patent by the Magpul MBUS. Magpul does not believe it is infringing a valid patent and has filed suit in federal district court in Denver seeking a declaration that the asserted patent is invalid and not infringed. Magpul hopes to have this dispute resolved quickly and without disruption to its customers. We will not provide any further commentary at this time. Legal stuff, you guys understand right? Please don't beat a dead horse.
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Well, if the lawyers don't work, send Costa and Travis. |
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If that's really what they're pissed about, I think they'd have a hard time with the case. I could see if Magpul had the notch in the top for CQB, but simply having flip up variable apertures is far from a new thing. It's not a matter of being pissed... ARMS has been steadily loosing customers to other companies who make a better product and have better customer service (and I aint talking about free dillos, bumperstickers and hats). ARMS is now in survival mode and the only way they make a $ now is to sue everybody on the planet. Dr. Drake I didn't post the picture as any kind of jab at you guys, hope it didn't come off that way. |
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Whew! Got my MBUS order in just now ........... threw in 3 PCLIPs as well.
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Dollars to Donuts it's over the dual apature... http://i510.photobucket.com/albums/s343/cormorantslayer/mbus.jpg I have both the MBUS and ARMS 40 (?) from a while ago, as well as a couple newer 40L-SP. The obvious design issue to a LSHD individual like myself is the fact that the 40L-SP has the long range aperture in the rear. When you deploy the sight, you have to fight it with the LR aperture, unless you take the time to flip it down to get the short range sight. It cannot be stowed with the LR sight flipped out of the way. I would think if you ever needed this sight in a combat situation, the short range sight should be the default. |
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Well, if the lawyers don't work, send Costa and Travis. Now thats what I call negotiation! In all seriousness though who buys ARMS stuff anyway? Sure they may have been cutting edge.... for 1998. Either continue to develop better gear or get left behind. The only gear that is going on my carbine is MAGPUL. |
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Well, if the lawyers don't work, send Costa and Travis. My Pink Fuzzy Bunny friend told me it was those two that killed the Al Qaeda guy in somalia... |
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Looks that way. Little more digging brings up a case filled on the 2nd, Magpul Vs. ARMS; and one filled on the 10th, ARMS Vs. Magpul. Looks like "if you sue me, I'll sue you!" dang. any way to get the cliff's notes without signing up or having access to that? |
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I just quickly ordered another set of the MBUS from PK just in case these get pulled. Was waiting to get my upper back from ADCO to order. No harm in getting them early. If this is true can we get a legal fund set up to help Magpul fight these losers? I follow the Magpul forum pretty closely, but very rarely do a Quote/Reply combo. However, this one I just couldn't overlook or pass up. Are you actually serious with your suggestion to help out by setting up a legal fund for Magpul? Maybe it's just me, but I would think that a multi-million dollar (perhaps billion-dollar by now) company that's involved in designing, manufacturing, and distributing innovative and highly sought after firearm accessories, not to mention a few hundred AR15 lower receivers and a completely in-house designed and protyped rifle formerly known as the Masada, may already have an established legal team and legal fund in place to handle and finance these types of legal situations. I highly doubt they need us to set up a donation account at our local neighborhood banks. If you set up this fund to help Magpul with their legal costs, why don't you go ahead and set up another fund to help Hugh Hefner get laid, as I'm sure he needs about as much help getting laid as Magpul needs help with a legal fund. If you really want to help out, just go and buy a couple more PMags. |
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Quoted: I was going to send canned food, like Dinty Moore beef stew. At least until they get back on their feet. . . Quoted: I just quickly ordered another set of the MBUS from PK just in case these get pulled. Was waiting to get my upper back from ADCO to order. No harm in getting them early. If this is true can we get a legal fund set up to help Magpul fight these losers? I follow the Magpul forum pretty closely, but very rarely do a Quote/Reply combo. However, this one I just couldn't overlook or pass up. Are you actually serious with your suggestion to help out by setting up a legal fund for Magpul? Maybe it's just me, but I would think that a multi-million dollar (perhaps billion-dollar by now) company that's involved in designing, manufacturing, and distributing innovative and highly sought after firearm accessories, not to mention a few hundred AR15 lower receivers and a completely in-house designed and protyped rifle formerly known as the Masada, may already have an established legal team and legal fund in place to handle and finance these types of legal situations. I highly doubt they need us to set up a donation account at our local neighborhood banks. If you really want to help out, just buy a couple more PMags. |
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Quoted: Glad I ordered 87 MBUS before the shit storm. At least you didn't order 17 of them. Then you'd be in real trouble. |
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Glad I ordered 87 MBUS before the shit storm. At least you didn't order 17 of them. Then you'd be in real trouble. |
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I think the fund we need to set up is for ARMS.
Like sending them over a case of tampons so maybe they could stop the hemorrhaging,,, |
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ARMS should copywrite the word "shitty" if they haven't already
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Whew! Got my MBUS order in just now ........... threw in 3 PCLIPs as well. lol he called the mags "CLIPS" !!!!!!!!!!!!111BBQ!11 |
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Whew! Got my MBUS order in just now ........... threw in 3 PCLIPs as well. |
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Lol, what a joke. "Lawyers, guns, and money". - Warren Zevon |
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Dick Swan can go suck a Swan's Dick.
I'm honestly not sure why they can't get over the fact that they make absolute GARBAGE! |
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Lol, what a joke. "Lawyers, guns, and money". - Warren Zevon Send lawyers, guns, and money. The shit has hit the fan. Best song ever! |
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I suppose if I want to find an innovative new company that is putting out quality products and ideas, I'll just look for the defendant in the next lawsuit by ARMS.
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Funny, the only companies I would get gear from and put on my rifle are the ones that they sue. LaRue, Magpul, Troy, and Custom made stuff by me are the only things on my rifles... And they call me a fanboy Pfft!
Oh yeah, and even before this I was never planning on getting ARMS anything, but now I know I never will. |
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