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Posted: 12/14/2008 11:15:49 AM EDT
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That is a mount for an NT4 and you can get them if you know the right people.
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Yeah that is the Inconel brake is very hard to get. I don't know how many of they they make but from people who own some serious KAC stuff they are very expensive and rare.
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i'd love to get that "ball mill lightened barrel" as well...
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Since I’m not in the know, what makes it so superior. Nothing. It's rare so people want it to be cool. |
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Since I’m not in the know, what makes it so superior. Nothing. It's rare so people want it to be cool. It does an excellent job of killing night time muzzle flash. |
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Since I’m not in the know, what makes it so superior. Nothing. It's rare so people want it to be cool. That and it reduces recoil on 5.56 to that of a .22. I did a full auto dump at 50 yards on a 2'x2' plate with all rounds 30 impacting. I was impressed. |
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Well in that case I'll have to actually shoot the one I was playing around with...
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Since I’m not in the know, what makes it so superior. Nothing. It's rare so people want it to be cool. That and it reduces recoil on 5.56 to that of a .22. I did a full auto dump at 50 yards on a 2'x2' plate with all rounds 30 impacting. I was impressed. Ok I’m sold, so when can I expect Magpul to release their own... Edit: I forgot... "As for now we are not releasing any information on products that may or may not be in the works. We're always looking for new ways to improve on existing products and explore the boundaries of new ideas. Thanks." |
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Since I’m not in the know, what makes it so superior. Nothing. It's rare so people want it to be cool. That and it reduces recoil on 5.56 to that of a .22. I did a full auto dump at 50 yards on a 2'x2' plate with all rounds 30 impacting. I was impressed. Ok I’m sold, so when can I expect Magpul to release their own... Edit: I forgot... "As for now we are not releasing any information on products that may or may not be in the works. We're always looking for new ways to improve on existing products and explore the boundaries of new ideas. Thanks." It's not a Magpul product. It's made by Knight's Armament but Costa is using it on one of his SBRs for the magpul dynamics stuff. I don't even want to know how much it costs to buy one if you can even buy one. From what I heard it is a bitch to make since it's made of Inconel. It looks like it takes a lot of machining for it to get that unique design. I would love to play around with one in person to see how it is actually designed though. |
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Since I’m not in the know, what makes it so superior. Nothing. It's rare so people want it to be cool. That and it reduces recoil on 5.56 to that of a .22. I did a full auto dump at 50 yards on a 2'x2' plate with all rounds 30 impacting. I was impressed. Ok I’m sold, so when can I expect Magpul to release their own... Edit: I forgot... "As for now we are not releasing any information on products that may or may not be in the works. We're always looking for new ways to improve on existing products and explore the boundaries of new ideas. Thanks." It's not a Magpul product. It's made by Knight's Armament but Costa is using it on one of his SBRs for the magpul dynamics stuff. I don't even want to know how much it costs to buy one if you can even buy one. From what I heard it is a bitch to make since it's made of Inconel. It looks like it takes a lot of machining for it to get that unique design. I would love to play around with one in person to see how it is actually designed though. Reading is fundamental Here’s what I could find on the break. http://www.silencertalk.com/silencer-forum/viewtopic.php?p=199313&sid=c8229c72f17b7e37dfe40e2c147173e0 This is the KAC mb we have used it on the PDW, SR-16, and SR-25 Carbine (which it was designed for). The problem is the part is designed to work with our suppressors and has to be built from inconel to survive. The inconel has to be electronically machined due to the design and the cost of the part is very high. The part if we sold it would be close to $500. We are currently working on a way to reduce the costs by making one that is not compatible with our suppressors or producing them in very high numbers. This is a KAC part we (KAC) would really like to bring to market. We estimate a 40% reduction in felt recoil on some weapons. Everyone who uses one gets very spoiled shooting with them and can reduce there follow-up shot time. A good analogy for this would be the type of brakes you might see on a race car: too expensive to put on your family car but someday the technology might find it's way into commercial applications. For customers that can justify the high cost we are working on a run and making some availible.
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Since I’m not in the know, what makes it so superior. Nothing. It's rare so people want it to be cool. That and it reduces recoil on 5.56 to that of a .22. I did a full auto dump at 50 yards on a 2'x2' plate with all rounds 30 impacting. I was impressed. Ok I’m sold, so when can I expect Magpul to release their own... Edit: I forgot... "As for now we are not releasing any information on products that may or may not be in the works. We're always looking for new ways to improve on existing products and explore the boundaries of new ideas. Thanks." It's not a Magpul product. It's made by Knight's Armament but Costa is using it on one of his SBRs for the magpul dynamics stuff. I don't even want to know how much it costs to buy one if you can even buy one. From what I heard it is a bitch to make since it's made of Inconel. It looks like it takes a lot of machining for it to get that unique design. I would love to play around with one in person to see how it is actually designed though. That's right, this is a Knight's product. I've heard the cost of materials and machining is around $500 alone. |
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Is this brake any easier on other nearby shooters compared to some of the other compensators on the market?
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I have to admit, for $500, it better offer more than just a decrease in felt recoil.
I understand Inconel is hard to machine, but good grief. |
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We have no plans to release something like this... this is Knights game... So if you want one send requests to Knights to make them out of Steel for commercial sales.
The inconel is so it can be used with a suppressor. |
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Since I’m not in the know, what makes it so superior. Nothing. It's rare so people want it to be cool. That and it reduces recoil on 5.56 to that of a .22. I did a full auto dump at 50 yards on a 2'x2' plate with all rounds 30 impacting. I was impressed. now that is pretty damm impressive.not sure if 600$+ impressive.but still pretty damm impressive |
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We have no plans to release something like this... this is Knights game... So if you want one send requests to Knights to make them out of Steel for commercial sales. The inconel is so it can be used with a suppressor. I would be 100% OK with this. |
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I have wanted one for a very long time! I think that they are pretty much impossible to get unless you have very good inside connections with the owner. I am gonna wait till I can get an inconel brake before I get an NT4, that's how much I have wanted one.
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Quoted: We have no plans to release something like this... this is Knights game... So if you want one send requests to Knights to make them out of Steel for commercial sales. The inconel is so it can be used with a suppressor. So what about all the other flash suppressors that work with cans? How do they hold up? |
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We have no plans to release something like this... this is Knights game... So if you want one send requests to Knights to make them out of Steel for commercial sales. The inconel is so it can be used with a suppressor. So what about all the other flash suppressors that work with cans? How do they hold up? The KAC brake itself acts as a blast baffle, taking the brunt of the initial gas exiting the muzzle, versus a baffle in the can itself. This prolongs the life of the suppressor under a heavy firing schedule, as they say. K |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: We have no plans to release something like this... this is Knights game... So if you want one send requests to Knights to make them out of Steel for commercial sales. The inconel is so it can be used with a suppressor. So what about all the other flash suppressors that work with cans? How do they hold up? The KAC brake itself acts as a blast baffle, taking the brunt of the initial gas exiting the muzzle, versus a baffle in the can itself. This prolongs the life of the suppressor under a heavy firing schedule, as they say. K Is that unique to the KAC brake's design, or would any muzzle brake wear like that if contained in a can due to the high heat combined with the splitting effect of a brake's design? |
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Honestly, I don't know.
My guess is it is unique to KAC's design, as I've never heard of another muzzle brake acting as a blast baffle for suppressor usage, nor one made of inconel. That I've never heard of another brake that functions like the KAC brake, does not mean there are not others out there though, obviously. Surefire does offer a brake that can be used in conjunction with one of their cans as does PWS with their FCS brake for use with another brand of suppressor, and it would be interesting to see how they hold up under heavy suppressor use. I would also guess that any sort of muzzle device that has an enclosed front with only an opening large enough for the projectile to pass through would show signs of wear under heavy FA suppressor usage like what the KAC brake was designed for. K |
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Since I’m not in the know, what makes it so superior. Nothing. It's rare so people want it to be cool. That and it reduces recoil on 5.56 to that of a .22. I did a full auto dump at 50 yards on a 2'x2' plate with all rounds 30 impacting. I was impressed. edit*further reading answered my question. |
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the brake does extend the life of the can due to the design and the material. down side is that the brake itself will not last forever with use of the can. this brake is best used alone just as costa does.
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the brake does extend the life of the can due to the design and the material. down side is that the brake itself will not last forever with use of the can. this brake is best used alone just as costa does. Now, if only we could buy them...I take pm's |
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How about with regards to dB? How loud is a rifle with this type of brake on?
I accidently shot an M4 with a muzzlerbrake once while forgetting to put on my hearing protection. I literally was stagerring (while pointing the rifle still downrange of course) because my left ear felt like somebody gave it the pimp hand. |
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Well in that case I'll have to actually shoot the one I was playing around with... Most people do form opinions by using things, but what ever....... I'd really like to see KAC offer a steel one if they're as good as people say. |
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Well in that case I'll have to actually shoot the one I was playing around with... Most people do form opinions by using things, but what ever....... I'd really like to see KAC offer a steel one if they're as good as people say. Id pay for the Inconel, in a few months I may be close enough to pick it up in person. |
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Well in that case I'll have to actually shoot the one I was playing around with... Most people do form opinions by using things, but what ever....... I'd really like to see KAC offer a steel one if they're as good as people say. My opinion of muzzlebrakes was generated from experience. |
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For those who have tried this how does it compare to say the FSC in terms of reducing muzzle rise and flash suppression?
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We have no plans to release something like this... this is Knights game... So if you want one send requests to Knights to make them out of Steel for commercial sales. The inconel is so it can be used with a suppressor. I have heard about them being done in steel. Heard is the key word. |
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Well in that case I'll have to actually shoot the one I was playing around with... Most people do form opinions by using things, but what ever....... I'd really like to see KAC offer a steel one if they're as good as people say. My opinion of muzzlebrakes was generated from experience. But you claimed it does nothing, and people (like Costa) only use it because it's rare and makes them feel cool. That's a pretty bold statement for any product, and that goes double for one you've never used. JMO, but I guess it doesn't matter. |
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Well in that case I'll have to actually shoot the one I was playing around with... Most people do form opinions by using things, but what ever....... I'd really like to see KAC offer a steel one if they're as good as people say. My opinion of muzzlebrakes was generated from experience. But you claimed it does nothing, and people (like Costa) only use it because it's rare and makes them feel cool. That's a pretty bold statement for any product, and that goes double for one you've never used. JMO, but I guess it doesn't matter. +1 |
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Well in that case I'll have to actually shoot the one I was playing around with... Most people do form opinions by using things, but what ever....... I'd really like to see KAC offer a steel one if they're as good as people say. My opinion of muzzlebrakes was generated from experience. I'm sorry, I don't mean to start a pissing match, I am just curious. I see you pipe in about alot of things and speak of your experience, now I seem to recall you're a fairly young guy and i'm curious what your experience level is? Who did you serve with etc... Not trying to shit on you, but I like to know where your experience comes from in order to better judge how I should weigh your opinions. Thanks Steve |
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It looks like its hollow with small cuts running along the top and solid along the bottom(kind of like an A2).
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I'd sure be interested to know what led to Inconel as the material. There are a lot of other choices out there...
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The KAC brake itself acts as a blast baffle, taking the brunt of the initial gas exiting the muzzle, versus a baffle in the can itself. This prolongs the life of the suppressor under a heavy firing schedule, as they say. K Inconel is used as the primary material for blast baffles on many suppressors as well. K |
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I'd sure be interested to know what led to Inconel as the material. There are a lot of other choices out there... Inconel is used for the blast baffles on most high budget modern cans, and the can they intended to mount on this is all inconel. I imagine they didn't want the brake to fail before the can. |
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Anyone have more pics of that SBR?
And since I can't have suppressor in Ia, I'd be happy to buy one in steel. |
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Anyone have more pics of that SBR? And since I can't have suppressor in Ia, I'd be happy to buy one in steel. one of the 16 and one of the 11.5 http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm118/magpuldynamics08/DSC_0692.jpg http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm118/magpuldynamics08/2752434320_5a0e014bab.jpg |
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