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I didn't read all 14 pages, so I'm not sure if this has been pointed out yet, but PoE is available for gig networks. It uses a "phantom power" to send power over the signal lines.
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Originally Posted By ceverett:
I didn't read all 14 pages, so I'm not sure if this has been pointed out yet, but PoE is available for gig networks. It uses a "phantom power" to send power over the signal lines. I have heard of that... but haven't yet used it myself. I use a Cisco 24-port PoE gigabit switch for my home backbone, and it carries the various datastreams without a hiccup. One of these: |
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Is that power supply in your pictures, are those 12 volt power supplies? searching ebay am I just looking for "12 V power supply"? I get computer power supplies....
never mind! found em! btw: this dang thing is more expensive than guns! dang I can't believe how much these freaking cameras are! Why is a tiny camera, in a plastic mount, 600+ bucks? I don't get it? you can get GOOD DSLRS for less than these things. I am going to apply to med school and get a job so I can afford these things |
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Originally Posted By crashburnrepeat:
Is that power supply in your pictures, are those 12 volt power supplies? searching ebay am I just looking for "12 V power supply"? I get computer power supplies.... never mind! found em! btw: this dang thing is more expensive than guns! dang I can't believe how much these freaking cameras are! Why is a tiny camera, in a plastic mount, 600+ bucks? I don't get it? you can get GOOD DSLRS for less than these things. I am going to apply to med school and get a job so I can afford these things What analog camera is costing you that kind of scratch? ETA: You can get a quality IP camera for that kind of money... that's the absolute TOP of the analog price range (barring something exotic). |
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Originally Posted By crashburnrepeat:
They weren't analogs, they were PoE IP cameras at first, and a couple megapixel cameras. I had this dream that I would put one good megapixel camera on PoE on the corner of the garage, and see most of the street side activity with that camera. Then I realized I'd have to sell a kidney, or put a noticeable dent in the gun fund to do so. I don't want to commit too much cash till I see what the damage on my other thread is going to wind up being . these were what I was looking at mostly: http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x229/crashburnrepeat/Screenshot2009-11-05at25356PM.png then I was looking at the analogs but I still have to get a camera server. I am looking at Axis but am wondering if I should try one of these at 100 bucks or if they would just suck... http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x229/crashburnrepeat/Screenshot2009-11-05at25923PM.png those axis servers are $$$. I may just get an Acti and call it good. I need at least 4 channels to cover the area I need to hit. I will post a picture of what i need to cover later so you can see my challenge. AVOID that server on the bottom. One of the participants earlier in this thread tried one of those, and it died. AVOID. As for those prices... that's waaay too high. The last WV-NW484S I bought on Ebay cost me about half of what they're asking on that page... ditto for the 302 model they listed (which is NOT weatherproof, BTW). About the best deal I've found in weatherproof IP megapixel cameras is Acti... their bullets and domes are pretty good (That's what Sharky is getting for his home) |
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Excellent video, those things are *bright*. I want one for the main part of the end of my driveway. you said earlier that they weren't really eye safe though. if I put one of them up under and eave and pointed it at my driveway, and some kid getting a coke looked up at it, would it damage his eyes? It would be maybe 8-12 feet away depending on where i would mount it.
maybe I should just get two or three of those dome IR illuminators you have been demoing. I just bought a 16 place 12 volt PS so I can put them almost anywhere.... |
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Originally Posted By crashburnrepeat:
Excellent video, those things are *bright*. I want one for the main part of the end of my driveway. you said earlier that they weren't really eye safe though. if I put one of them up under and eave and pointed it at my driveway, and some kid getting a coke looked up at it, would it damage his eyes? It would be maybe 8-12 feet away depending on where i would mount it. maybe I should just get two or three of those dome IR illuminators you have been demoing. I just bought a 16 place 12 volt PS so I can put them almost anywhere.... I don't know where you'd find the American Dynamics illuminators. They're actually discontinued, and I picked mine up as milsurp on Ebay a few months ago. Past about 5ft, they're considered eye-safe... so up under an eave is fine. |
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If I were looking for a cheap door annunciator type camera, anybody found any deals? I just want basically a remote door peephole, so I know who's there before I go to the door at night.
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Originally Posted By radio_jumper:
Just tosing it out there, but...... what about using something like entryvue or aiphone? Other than that you could mount a camera off to the side of your front door to capture the door/ porch. The aiphone is one that's been mentioned before... and Mobotix has a door-camera solution as well. I rolled my own, but you could go with a pre-built unit if you wanted to save yourself some headaches. |
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The fiance needs/wants me to install security cameras at her house...dang, looks like I'm in for a bit of research. |
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Originally Posted By Schmoopy:
Mobotix M22 Any thoughts on this camera ? Or any other pan , tilt , zoomers? Mobotix cameras are considered top-end... very full-featured. I have one in my current installation. ETA: I'm working on adding an I/O module to it, to make it into an IP-enabled two-way system. |
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Just saw this thread, good reads! Glad you enjoyed it. Feel free to grab any of those NVG videos if you want to use them. Several of them were shot with one of your Gen2-SHP MUMs. |
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Just picked up an Acti 8201 with flush mount kit and a Dlink PoE adapter.
First impressions coming from a system with 8 crappy old analog 320x240 cameras: WOW!! Setup so far has been incredibly easy: 1) plug power and ethernet cables into PoE adapter (adapter indicates it has power) 2) run ethernet cable from PoE adapter to camera (camera indicates it has power and goes through a test of the pan-tilt) 3) log into my wireless router and see what IP address was assigned 4) enter that IP address into internet explorer ( ), enter default username and password, and picture from camera is displayed I've played around with the web interface and it is very good, I can adjust the picture quality and sensitivity, setup motion tracker zones, setup preset points and a tour, it has dynamic dns built in, pan tilt zoom are easy to operate, etc etc. Next step is to mount it properly, fish some ethernet cable through the wall and down to the basement router, adjust the picture for it's new home, setup dynamic dns, find an iphone app that allows viewing, buy more cameras etc. |
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Port forwarding is a pain in the you know what but I will beat this.
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Originally Posted By MarkNH:
Port forwarding is a pain in the you know what but I will beat this. Try forwarding a high random port (of your choice... 20,000 or so) to port 80 at the IP address of the camera. Then all you have to do is connect to your router's external IP address, colon, port number: Example: http://123.234.345.456:20000 That should take you to your camera. To find your external IP address, click this web link. ETA: this will all be in your router's configuration. What kind of router are you using? ETA2: just FYI, there may be a second port you'll have to forward in order to operate the PTZ function... that varies by camera make and model (for instance, it's port 1025 for Dedicated Micros DVRs with PTZ) |
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Need some help too...
Getting my feet wet with IP cams, installed two in the mtns and am trying to figure out how to access the second one from a friends ISP. I can access them from my LAN OK but am having problems setting up the IP addys for the second cam so it can be accessed from the WWW, I can access the first camera and my router remotely just fine. So, the Static/Dynamic IP of my network isn't an issue! I set the 1st cam to have an IP addy of 192.168.1.250 and set to port 80 [both were the defaults] and set my Linksys WRT54GS router in the "Gaming, etc" page so that port 80 was associated with the 1st cameras [static] IP addy of, again 192.168.1.250. Everything works great, I can drive down the road and see the camera using a Verizon hi speed connection. Now the problem comes in when I try to access the second camera. I've set the second one to an IP of 192.168.1.231 and have assigned port 1024 for example, [have tried lots of different port numbers] to it. When I try to log into the 2nd camera, having verified my connection is good by logging into the first sucessfully, I get the Windoz XP msg not found or something like that. I've tried every combo I can think of and still can't get to the 2nd cam. I also have some Tranzeo wireless bridges to the mountain and when I set up one of the radio's IP to port 80 in the router, I connect fine and can manage them, but cannot connect using any other port number. Do you have any idea how I can set up the WRT54GS router for 2 or more cameras for access over the WWW? |
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Originally Posted By MarkNH:
Just picked up an Acti 8201 with flush mount kit and a Dlink PoE adapter. First impressions coming from a system with 8 crappy old analog 320x240 cameras: WOW!! Setup so far has been incredibly easy: 1) plug power and ethernet cables into PoE adapter (adapter indicates it has power) 2) run ethernet cable from PoE adapter to camera (camera indicates it has power and goes through a test of the pan-tilt) 3) log into my wireless router and see what IP address was assigned 4) enter that IP address into internet explorer (), enter default username and password, and picture from camera is displayed I've played around with the web interface and it is very good, I can adjust the picture quality and sensitivity, setup motion tracker zones, setup preset points and a tour, it has dynamic dns built in, pan tilt zoom are easy to operate, etc etc. Next step is to mount it properly, fish some ethernet cable through the wall and down to the basement router, adjust the picture for it's new home, setup dynamic dns, find an iphone app that allows viewing, buy more cameras etc. http://data:image/png;base64,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%3D</img> Megapixel is impressive, isn't it? Compared to analog, you really get spoiled once you're into that higher-resolution stuff. BTW, your linked picture didn't attach. |
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Thank you, GM, for taking time to post the above.
My problem is I'm doing exactly what the manual describes and I've researched the issue to death today. Still can't make what I first described work. I think there is some little piece I'm missing and I haven't been able to find it. "In your case, you want to forward one port per camera... so when the Linksys router prompts you for a port range, simply put the same port number in both fields... that will give you a range of ONE port. Then forward that port to the address of the camera, and you should be done. Just append the specific port number, separated by a colon, to the end of your external WWW IP address when you connect to it." I've done exactly what you state / As long as the IP addy is associated with Port 80 the device works. When I assign the other cam or device onto the next line and assign another Port number range and the appropriate IP of the device and check enable, and browse to it using the public IP with a colon and the port number, it doesn't work. I can then test and use the IP that didn't work and put it on the line with Port 80 and it works. Only can get Port 80 to work, there's something else that needs to be done and I haven't found it. |
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Originally Posted By EXPY37:
Thank you, GM, for taking time to post the above. My problem is I'm doing exactly what the manual describes and I've researched the issue to death today. Still can't make what I first described work. I think there is some little piece I'm missing and I haven't been able to find it. "In your case, you want to forward one port per camera... so when the Linksys router prompts you for a port range, simply put the same port number in both fields... that will give you a range of ONE port. Then forward that port to the address of the camera, and you should be done. Just append the specific port number, separated by a colon, to the end of your external WWW IP address when you connect to it." I've done exactly what you state / As long as the IP addy is associated with Port 80 the device works. When I assign the other cam or device onto the next line and assign another Port number range and the appropriate IP of the device and check enable, and browse to it using the public IP with a colon and the port number, it doesn't work. I can then test and use the IP that didn't work and put it on the line with Port 80 and it works. Only can get Port 80 to work, there's something else that needs to be done and I haven't found it. The PDF is a little blurry, but now that I'm looking at it again, it doesn't seem to allow you to specify a specific receiving port on the LAN computer... only a port on the external IP address. If that's the case, that's your problem. You need to find in your router where it allows you to forward a specific external port to a specific DIFFERENT internal port. Right now, it looks like that page forwards the same port your specified on the external WWW IP to the LAN IP. in other words, it's forwarding port 12001 to port 12001 on the LAN IP address... and that won't work. It needs to let you forward port 12001 on the external IP address to port 80 on the LAN IP address. ETA: does that make sense to you? I'm not sure I'm explaining this very well. |
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Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
Originally Posted By EXPY37:
Thank you, GM, for taking time to post the above. My problem is I'm doing exactly what the manual describes and I've researched the issue to death today. Still can't make what I first described work. I think there is some little piece I'm missing and I haven't been able to find it. "In your case, you want to forward one port per camera... so when the Linksys router prompts you for a port range, simply put the same port number in both fields... that will give you a range of ONE port. Then forward that port to the address of the camera, and you should be done. Just append the specific port number, separated by a colon, to the end of your external WWW IP address when you connect to it." I've done exactly what you state / As long as the IP addy is associated with Port 80 the device works. When I assign the other cam or device onto the next line and assign another Port number range and the appropriate IP of the device and check enable, and browse to it using the public IP with a colon and the port number, it doesn't work. I can then test and use the IP that didn't work and put it on the line with Port 80 and it works. Only can get Port 80 to work, there's something else that needs to be done and I haven't found it. The PDF is a little blurry, but now that I'm looking at it again, it doesn't seem to allow you to specify a specific receiving port on the LAN computer... only a port on the external IP address. If that's the case, that's your problem. You need to find in your router where it allows you to forward a specific external port to a specific DIFFERENT internal port. Right now, it looks like that page forwards the same port your specified on the external WWW IP to the LAN IP. in other words, it's forwarding port 12001 to port 12001 on the LAN IP address... and that won't work. It needs to let you forward port 12001 on the external IP address to port 80 on the LAN IP address. ETA: does that make sense to you? I'm not sure I'm explaining this very well. Yes a little, having been reading about NAT and PAT address translation. I don't know how to associate the 'other' ports to port 80. |
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Originally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
Originally Posted By EXPY37:
Thank you, GM, for taking time to post the above. My problem is I'm doing exactly what the manual describes and I've researched the issue to death today. Still can't make what I first described work. I think there is some little piece I'm missing and I haven't been able to find it. "In your case, you want to forward one port per camera... so when the Linksys router prompts you for a port range, simply put the same port number in both fields... that will give you a range of ONE port. Then forward that port to the address of the camera, and you should be done. Just append the specific port number, separated by a colon, to the end of your external WWW IP address when you connect to it." I've done exactly what you state / As long as the IP addy is associated with Port 80 the device works. When I assign the other cam or device onto the next line and assign another Port number range and the appropriate IP of the device and check enable, and browse to it using the public IP with a colon and the port number, it doesn't work. I can then test and use the IP that didn't work and put it on the line with Port 80 and it works. Only can get Port 80 to work, there's something else that needs to be done and I haven't found it. The PDF is a little blurry, but now that I'm looking at it again, it doesn't seem to allow you to specify a specific receiving port on the LAN computer... only a port on the external IP address. If that's the case, that's your problem. You need to find in your router where it allows you to forward a specific external port to a specific DIFFERENT internal port. Right now, it looks like that page forwards the same port your specified on the external WWW IP to the LAN IP. in other words, it's forwarding port 12001 to port 12001 on the LAN IP address... and that won't work. It needs to let you forward port 12001 on the external IP address to port 80 on the LAN IP address. ETA: does that make sense to you? I'm not sure I'm explaining this very well. Yes a little, having been reading about NAT and PAT address translation. I don't know how to associate the 'other' ports to port 80. I've read through the user's guide for your router... and I'm wondering if that capability is absent from that model... unless they want you to do it with the "port triggering" function... but that's for LAN services that send packets out to the internet, and the router subsequently opens specific ports for return data. Hmmm... your router might not let you do it... unless you simply want to port-forward for one camera, and then put the other one in the DMZ. That should work, but you're screwed if you want to add a third camera. |
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Found the problem.
I had a typo in the camera setup for the gateway (router) ip address. Can connect to it now from my iphone plus internally both via a DDNS address. |
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Originally Posted By MarkNH:
Found the problem. I had a typo in the camera setup for the gateway (router) ip address. Can connect to it now from my iphone plus internally both via a DDNS address. Don't you just hate that? Enjoy the high-resolution camera... once you've gone to the dark side (megapixel), it hurts to go back to analog. |
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Now I have the fun of installing the software and finding out their software wont work on 64-bit versions of windows. Time for a break.
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Originally Posted By MarkNH:
Now I have the fun of installing the software and finding out their software wont work on 64-bit versions of windows. Time for a break. If you're recording megapixel cameras, you probably want that on a dedicated box anyway. |
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Originally Posted By TheGrayMan: Originally Posted By MarkNH: Now I have the fun of installing the software and finding out their software wont work on 64-bit versions of windows. Time for a break. If you're recording megapixel cameras, you probably want that on a dedicated box anyway. It was going on a dedicated box - 64-bit windows 7 and 3TB of storage. Looks like I need to reinstall with 32-bit windows 7. |
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Originally Posted By MarkNH:
Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
Originally Posted By MarkNH:
Now I have the fun of installing the software and finding out their software wont work on 64-bit versions of windows. Time for a break. If you're recording megapixel cameras, you probably want that on a dedicated box anyway. It was going on a dedicated box - 64-bit windows 7 and 3TB of storage. Looks like I need to reinstall with 32-bit windows 7. Good thinking. I've not used Acti's included software (it's a nice bonus if you're using an all-Acti installation), but I messed around with it a little bit to try to help out Sharky. Unfortunately, my spare DVR box ended up going to a relative after his computer blew up. If you get tired of wrestling with it, give Luxriot a try. Adding and removing cameras with it is dead-easy. |
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Mark, what model router are you using?
Any idea if it has more advanced features different from a Linksys WRT54GS? |
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Originally Posted By EXPY37: Mark, what model router are you using? Any idea if it has more advanced features different from a Linksys WRT54GS? I am using a D-Link DGL-4300, it is about 2 years old and is designed for fast online gaming, it replaced a linksys that kept dropping connections (needed to be rebooted every couple of days and/or IP address released/renewed) and I have been very happy with it (only time it gets rebooted is if Comcast has a problem and I reboot everything on my end to troubleshoot before calling them). I wouldn't recommend it these days though as it is only wireless G and 10/100 ethernet. I run gigabit ethernet through the house and if I upgrade to a faster cable connection I will replace the router and cable modem with more modern ones. Back to cameras: If anyone buys an acti camera make sure you check the firmware, mine was two updates out of date and the web interface for the camera failed every time I tried updating the firmware. I downloaded Acti's "IP Utility" software and that successfully updated both the firmware and the camera profile (changes to how the picture is processed resulting in a much better quality picture). |
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"(got a high range port mapped to port 80 on the camera)"
Mark, would you briefly explain how you did that? |
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Originally Posted By EXPY37: "(got a high range port mapped to port 80 on the camera)" Mark, would you briefly explain how you did that? That is specific to each model of router and it appears yours doesn't allow this. Here is the port forwarding guide I would use for your router and it doesn't mention port mapping: http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/Linksys/WRT54GS/HTTP.htm Does your camera config page have an option where you can tell it to use a port other than 80 for HTTP? if so you could give each camera a different high port number, open those ports on the router, and connect to each camera that way. |
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