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Posted: 6/6/2006 5:44:00 PM EDT
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Point taken. Wow.
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Posted: 6/6/2006 5:48:23 PM EDT
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POINT TAKEN.
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Posted: 6/6/2006 5:49:40 PM EDT
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The camera doesn't lie, it just might not show all.
How many rounds did he take before he fell? Damn. |
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Posted: 6/6/2006 6:09:48 PM EDT
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Saw these last week in an email.
Most of us know from first hand experience that cameras can catch part of the story or might not always put things in context. Quite an eye opener. Should be shown to all recruits. |
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Posted: 6/6/2006 6:25:01 PM EDT
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Saw that a couple years ago. IIRC the perp had a cell phone in his hand, not a firearm. But serves him right for pretending he had one. Or maybe I'm thinking of a different video...
Either way, don't bring a cell phone to a gunfight. |
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Posted: 6/6/2006 6:30:38 PM EDT
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WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That bastard took some hits before going down!!!!!
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Posted: 6/6/2006 6:56:58 PM EDT
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That'll teach him to "show his ass"!
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Posted: 6/6/2006 7:17:21 PM EDT
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Tagged to show FTO.
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Posted: 6/6/2006 7:54:15 PM EDT
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Anyone know the story behind this?
You can bet that video 1 would be used by libs to show how "evil" cops are... |
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Posted: 6/6/2006 8:02:06 PM EDT
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There was a third camera as well.
I have all three views and I use them in training classes. I also have the video of the gun that looks like a cell phone that I show after they have seen the dash-cam vids. It changes perspectives. |
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Posted: 6/6/2006 8:02:19 PM EDT
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Great post, thanks for posting this TLD.
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Posted: 6/6/2006 8:12:17 PM EDT
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I still have mixed emotions about cameras, but they seem to help more than hurt. I guess I should rephrase that, as long as you follow the rules they help more than they hurt.
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Posted: 6/6/2006 8:14:54 PM EDT
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thank you
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Posted: 6/6/2006 8:20:37 PM EDT
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Wow!
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Posted: 6/6/2006 8:20:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/6/2006 8:21:43 PM EDT
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DAMN! He deserved that. I'm shocked he was shot sooner when the initial arresting officer went for the take down. Good shoot.
IBTMMQ (In Before The Monday Morning Quarterback) -MEI 
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Posted: 6/6/2006 8:30:24 PM EDT
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WOW!!! That's is amazing! It's like watching two different videos! I'm glad for those officers that the second dashcam got the true view of the situation.
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Posted: 6/6/2006 8:34:45 PM EDT
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One video, career ender, possibly jail time.
Two video, Grand Jury clear. ETA: Is there an article or dispostion of the case to add to the video? |
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Posted: 6/6/2006 8:37:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/6/2006 8:41:21 PM EDT
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Do you have them so we can "save file as" to our computer? And the third to do the same?
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Posted: 6/6/2006 9:03:32 PM EDT
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uploadfile.putfile.com/videos/15621234314.wmv uploadfile.putfile.com/videos/15621255252.wmv Excellent videos, they make the point quite clearly, thank you for sharing them. |
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Posted: 6/6/2006 9:26:07 PM EDT
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Holy crap! What a difference 15 degrees of angle in point of view makes....
Woody |
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Posted: 6/6/2006 9:29:18 PM EDT
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Thanks! |
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Posted: 6/6/2006 9:36:22 PM EDT
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One. 
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Posted: 6/6/2006 9:38:25 PM EDT
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Exactly. |
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Posted: 6/6/2006 10:26:53 PM EDT
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Damn! I'm kinda curious what Caliber and type of rounds they were using and if drugs were involved, more than likely.
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Posted: 6/7/2006 2:54:43 AM EDT
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For those not counting, that a minimum of eight round I saw, more likely ten. It looks like at least one went high into the triangle or the lower head, probably the real fight ender.
I think I'd have shot him the first time the object was point at the other officer, not the second time, but I'm not there. Thankfully. |
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Posted: 6/7/2006 3:13:50 AM EDT
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So it was a cell phone he was waving around?!? Damn! Looked like a small caliber chrome plated gun to me. |
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Posted: 6/7/2006 3:26:56 AM EDT
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Did the first cop take a shot when he had his gun to the perp's forehead?
Looks like he just missed. |
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Posted: 6/7/2006 3:30:21 AM EDT
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So what we are saying is...
It's ok to shoot someone in the back who has a cell phone, who is walking away and no longer posing a threat  Yes I did watch both clips.  I'm gonna pay for this one I think. Taffy  advocate |
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Posted: 6/7/2006 3:37:15 AM EDT
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No, what we are saying is it is OK to take that shot when the subject has an unknown object in his hand (BTW, there is no confirmation at this point that it was a cell phone), which he has pointed at officers in a threatening manner. It could well have been a gun, and the guy was trying to figure out a safety, or resolve a failure. He certainly acted like a threat. Or do you think the officers should let a suspect get off a few shots first to make things more sporting? Matt |
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Posted: 6/7/2006 3:38:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/7/2006 3:45:00 AM EDT
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tag for home (where there are no stinking filters)
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Posted: 6/7/2006 3:46:23 AM EDT
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so anyone know what the verdict on that shooting was?
My View on Camera's: They can either be really good or really bad. We use they to solve citizen complaints against officers on traffic stops and other events when they complain the officer was rude and what not. I use mine faithfully, but not all of our officers do and it isnt policy that we use them, but it is highly recommended. I really like to use them for OUI arrest. |
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Posted: 6/7/2006 3:56:22 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/7/2006 5:36:57 AM EDT
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Really? It is optional? I would think that that might be a problem if an officer was involved in a shooting and he/she either was one of those who doesn't normally use the camera or who does but forgot to turn it on. |
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Posted: 6/7/2006 5:51:28 AM EDT
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interesting
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Posted: 6/7/2006 6:08:42 AM EDT
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Tagaroo for my continuing education later today.
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Posted: 6/7/2006 6:34:27 AM EDT
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I think when we do our annual SOP review its going to be changed. Chief is ordering use cases to wear on our belts for the mics and i think that is why guys arent using them, but i bought my own so i can use it. I havent lost an OUI case since i have been using it. |
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Posted: 6/7/2006 7:44:18 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/7/2006 10:55:42 AM EDT
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It was a cell phone, but it was presented as if it were a weapon. The third video shows the suspect walking away and pointing the cellphone/apparent gun behind him at the responding officers. The third video really provides some clarification. Unfortunately, I cant remember where I got them from and I can't post them. Sorry. |
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Posted: 6/7/2006 10:56:22 AM EDT
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[doubletap]
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Posted: 6/7/2006 11:20:06 PM EDT
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As the site states, the shooting could have been avoided if the guy had:
1. Stopped for the first police car. 2. Stopped at any time during the chase. 3. Stayed in his stopped car until ordered out. 4. Got out of his car with nothing in his hands. 5. Not pointed the cell phone like a gun. 6. Not resisted the officer trying to stop him. 7. Stopped and raised his hands when he saw the officer's gun in his face. 8. Stopped and raised his hands when the first shots were fired. 9. Not turned around pointing the cell phone again while being chased. 10. Dropped to the ground at any time. |
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Posted: 6/7/2006 11:34:04 PM EDT
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It was a low budget flick. They couldnt afford that cord thingy yanks stunt men backwards through the air. |
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Posted: 6/8/2006 12:08:12 AM EDT
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I live in Shreveport and I remember this , the guy did have a cell phone not a gun, the officers were cleared as a justified shoot. It caused a big shit storm here in the black community for awhile.
ETA: The police here carry 9MM, obviously that was the problem
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Posted: 6/8/2006 12:38:55 PM EDT
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Officers should verify their policies. some still read "immediate" threatened use of deadly force before being able to use deadly force in return. They should read imminent fear of deadly force. that can cause issues....
Though I am not a large fan of the 9mm either, i recognize that the issue is often selection of the projectile not just its diameter. As well as shot placement. We have had several one shot stops with 9mm Speer 124 gr +P GDHP. Suspects pronouned DRT on scene. |
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Posted: 6/8/2006 5:53:40 PM EDT
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gonna agree- 1 camera= bad outcome for cop. 2 cameras =whole story, justified shooting.IMO
Roy |
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Posted: 6/8/2006 8:21:29 PM EDT
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check
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Posted: 6/8/2006 8:29:14 PM EDT
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AGNTSA
DUPE for like the eleventybillionth time. |
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Posted: 6/10/2006 3:25:17 AM EDT
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The man did point the cell phone directly at the officer, holding it like one would hold a handgun. The officer on the left in Video 2 believed he had a weapon because he ducked for a moment just as the man swung it past his head, and fired his weapon instinctively. Nice shooting on his part. Not enough time to decide if it's a weapon or not, so to me the shoot was justified...at least from what I saw on the tape. Some may argue that the officer(s) were close enough to clearly identify the item, but to do that they would have to take their eyes of the sights of their weapon...not a good idea in this case, the man was moving about erratically and taking your eyes off the sights for a second is long enough to get yourself shot if he had a pistol in his hand. |
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