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Posted: 5/19/2009 6:25:34 AM EDT
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I see every day how saddened we Virginians are that we lost that bastion of civilization now called West Virginia.
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Posted: 5/19/2009 6:27:14 AM EDT
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Are they saying that people put the targets on top of the berm (bunkers) instead of in front of it?
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Posted: 5/19/2009 6:30:56 AM EDT
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I find it unlikely that anyone is putting targets on top of the berms. That would require a lot of extra work at most ranges.
Anyone who has been to a range more than a few times has seen at least one dumbass let one get over the berm...... |
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Posted: 5/19/2009 6:31:21 AM EDT
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I'm not sure where the cutoff is exactly, but I would say that those individuals are definitely in the IQ range of people who should just opt out of ever owning firearms. (assuming they actually put targets on top of the berms)
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Posted: 5/19/2009 6:34:24 AM EDT
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DNR officials say bullets have passed over the range's bunker because shooters have put targets on top of the bunkers rather than in front of them.
 
The stupidity of our fellow shooter never cease to amaze me. Vulcan94 |
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Posted: 5/19/2009 6:34:36 AM EDT
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A guy I know who used to shoot there said the rules already were tightened due to someone being a jackass with a .50BMG.
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Posted: 5/19/2009 6:36:04 AM EDT
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I went to a public range here in Georgia last week. I'm surprised they don't shut all the damn things down. They had a nice pavilion built on a concrete pad with nice benches to shoot off of. There were literally holes blown through the roof of the pavilion. It looked like someone had been down range shooting AT the firing line. There was brass and shot shells everywhere, you couldn't step off the concrete without tramping on them. The place was trashed. People can be real dicks.
ETA: I'll have to get some pictures the next time I go there. |
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Posted: 5/19/2009 6:38:00 AM EDT
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A few bad apples ruin it for everybody
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Posted: 5/19/2009 6:45:55 AM EDT
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I find it unlikely that anyone is putting targets on top of the berms. That would require a lot of extra work at most ranges. Anyone who has been to a range more than a few times has seen at least one dumbass let one get over the berm...... It happened regularly at my old range. Guys would put clay targets on top of the berm. When you explained "uh, that means your bullets are flying waaaay downrange toward housing communities," they looked at you like  as if they had not considered that.
There are a LOT of dumbass gunowners.... |
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Posted: 5/19/2009 6:58:14 AM EDT
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I find it unlikely that anyone is putting targets on top of the berms. That would require a lot of extra work at most ranges. Anyone who has been to a range more than a few times has seen at least one dumbass let one get over the berm...... It happened regularly at my old range. Guys would put clay targets on top of the berm. When you explained "uh, that means your bullets are flying waaaay downrange toward housing communities," they looked at you like as if they had not considered that.
There are a LOT of dumbass gunowners.... Unfortunately, this is very true....last time I was at our range, these guys were firing their AKs like some mad dogs, after what seemed like 1,000 rounds they left and there were about 15 holes in their target. The worst part is that the ROs actually stood behind them and watched, didn't say much about their Rambo-styled shooting, except when a few rounds hit close to the top of the berm. I was told this was not allowed, no FA weapons, no bump-firing, but you could do a 2 or 3 round burst, but these guys were rapid firing and barely hitting the berm, much less their target. It would seem that there are a lot of dumb ass ROs out there as well, not doing their job properly which could result in someone being seriously injured or killed. |
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Posted: 5/19/2009 6:59:19 AM EDT
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Dumbass gun owners doesn't even begin to describe our local public range.
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Posted: 5/19/2009 7:01:45 AM EDT
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I find it unlikely that anyone is putting targets on top of the berms. That would require a lot of extra work at most ranges. Anyone who has been to a range more than a few times has seen at least one dumbass let one get over the berm...... I shoot there and I've seen targets on top of the berms. |
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Posted: 5/19/2009 7:04:23 AM EDT
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Until you go to a range where someone is standing 15 yards down range holding a full can of beer while his buddy takes aim and shoots it with a .22lr, any silly talk of shooting at the top of berms becomes trivial.
Months later I'm standing down range to retrieve my target when all of a sudden the whole firing line opens up.
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Posted: 5/19/2009 7:04:33 AM EDT
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At the range I shoot at EVERY member has a responsibility to stop anyone from placing a target on top of the berm.
Maybe that is why I haven't seen it. YMMV |
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Posted: 5/19/2009 7:20:30 AM EDT
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I find it unlikely that anyone is putting targets on top of the berms. That would require a lot of extra work at most ranges. Anyone who has been to a range more than a few times has seen at least one dumbass let one get over the berm...... It happened regularly at my old range. Guys would put clay targets on top of the berm. When you explained "uh, that means your bullets are flying waaaay downrange toward housing communities," they looked at you like as if they had not considered that.
There are a LOT of dumbass gunowners.... It's chronic around here. Those guys plus restrictive rules is why I now belong to a private club. These guys are some of the lowest forms of humanity possible and they are the personification of what the antis think of when they talk about irresponsibility. I used to shoot at the Amelia range, where you shoot down 20 foot concrete pipes. This controls the rounds and ensures all go into the berm as well as controlling noise at a distance. However, lots of guys don't believe it should be this way, and simply walk to the side of the positions and begin shooting. They basically don't like the setup and feel that the rules don't apply so they simply ignore them. This is the same type of crew who shows up without eye and ear protection because real men don't need that stuff. I remember once shooting my M44 near some of these idiots playing tough. They were taught a painful lesson that day... |
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Posted: 5/19/2009 7:21:33 AM EDT
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Idiots.
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Posted: 5/19/2009 7:22:46 AM EDT
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There is already a long thread in VA/WV HTF about this.
ETA: I've shot at that range in the past and while it's constantly full of trash and used-up targets, I've never seen a target placed on top of one of the berms. Doesn't mean it never happened, though. DNR does plan to open another rifle and pistol range in the WMA, but in a more safe location. The old range will probably be re-oriented a bit, and converted to a trap/skeet range. |
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Posted: 5/19/2009 7:23:59 AM EDT
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I find it unlikely that anyone is putting targets on top of the berms. That would require a lot of extra work at most ranges. Anyone who has been to a range more than a few times has seen at least one dumbass let one get over the berm...... It happened regularly at my old range. Guys would put clay targets on top of the berm. When you explained "uh, that means your bullets are flying waaaay downrange toward housing communities," they looked at you like as if they had not considered that.
There are a LOT of dumbass gunowners.... It's chronic around here. Those guys plus restrictive rules is why I now belong to a private club. These guys are some of the lowest forms of humanity possible and they are the personification of what the antis think of when they talk about irresponsibility. I used to shoot at the Amelia range, where you shoot down 20 foot concrete pipes. This controls the rounds and ensures all go into the berm as well as controlling noise at a distance. However, lots of guys don't believe it should be this way, and simply walk to the side of the positions and begin shooting. They basically don't like the setup and feel that the rules don't apply so they simply ignore them. This is the same type of crew who shows up without eye and ear protection because real men don't need that stuff. I remember once shooting my M44 near some of these idiots playing tough. They were taught a painful lesson that day... I prefer to do most of my shooting in a practical manner which involves shooting from the low ready and engaging multiple targets. I would hate to have to shot down culverts. 
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Posted: 5/19/2009 7:39:11 AM EDT
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I see every day how saddened we Virginians are that we lost that bastion of civilization now called West Virginia. Well, rejoice, because apparently it was some "city-slickers' from Winchester that did the dirty deed! 
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Posted: 5/19/2009 7:44:29 AM EDT
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I find it unlikely that anyone is putting targets on top of the berms. That would require a lot of extra work at most ranges. Anyone who has been to a range more than a few times has seen at least one dumbass let one get over the berm...... It happened regularly at my old range. Guys would put clay targets on top of the berm. When you explained "uh, that means your bullets are flying waaaay downrange toward housing communities," they looked at you like as if they had not considered that.
There are a LOT of dumbass gunowners.... It's chronic around here. Those guys plus restrictive rules is why I now belong to a private club. These guys are some of the lowest forms of humanity possible and they are the personification of what the antis think of when they talk about irresponsibility. I used to shoot at the Amelia range, where you shoot down 20 foot concrete pipes. This controls the rounds and ensures all go into the berm as well as controlling noise at a distance. However, lots of guys don't believe it should be this way, and simply walk to the side of the positions and begin shooting. They basically don't like the setup and feel that the rules don't apply so they simply ignore them. This is the same type of crew who shows up without eye and ear protection because real men don't need that stuff. I remember once shooting my M44 near some of these idiots playing tough. They were taught a painful lesson that day... I prefer to do most of my shooting in a practical manner which involves shooting from the low ready and engaging multiple targets. I would hate to have to shot down culverts. Then you probably wouldn't go to this range (I'm not even sure it's still open). Would you go, then say that the rules are bullshit, then set up beside the designated firing line? Probably not... |
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Posted: 5/19/2009 7:45:22 AM EDT
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I find it unlikely that anyone is putting targets on top of the berms. That would require a lot of extra work at most ranges. Anyone who has been to a range more than a few times has seen at least one dumbass let one get over the berm...... It happened regularly at my old range. Guys would put clay targets on top of the berm. When you explained "uh, that means your bullets are flying waaaay downrange toward housing communities," they looked at you like as if they had not considered that.
There are a LOT of dumbass gunowners.... It's chronic around here. Those guys plus restrictive rules is why I now belong to a private club. These guys are some of the lowest forms of humanity possible and they are the personification of what the antis think of when they talk about irresponsibility. I used to shoot at the Amelia range, where you shoot down 20 foot concrete pipes. This controls the rounds and ensures all go into the berm as well as controlling noise at a distance. However, lots of guys don't believe it should be this way, and simply walk to the side of the positions and begin shooting. They basically don't like the setup and feel that the rules don't apply so they simply ignore them. This is the same type of crew who shows up without eye and ear protection because real men don't need that stuff. I remember once shooting my M44 near some of these idiots playing tough. They were taught a painful lesson that day... I prefer to do most of my shooting in a practical manner which involves shooting from the low ready and engaging multiple targets. I would hate to have to shot down culverts. Then you probably wouldn't go to this range (I'm not even sure it's still open). Would you go, then say that the rules are bullshit, then set up beside the designated firing line? Probably not... Nope.......follow the rules once then never come back, unless to confirm zero on a deer gun. |
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Posted: 5/19/2009 7:55:31 AM EDT
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yea people don't understand that a bullet actually travels further than the target... go figure
problem is no one wants to stop them from being stupid about backstops and most of these type of people don't give a rats ass either way. |
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Posted: 5/19/2009 8:02:56 AM EDT
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The CO Hometown forum got together to help out in a clean up at a range down in Colorado Springs...
  2 weeks later a few members went back and the place was worse than before... |
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Posted: 5/19/2009 8:04:55 AM EDT
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Our local public range ........
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Posted: 5/19/2009 8:13:24 AM EDT
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I've seen targets on top of the berm and I've seen targets walked up to the top of berm by gun fire, with responses similar to those above; the thought never occurred to the shooter that the bullets were headed to parts unknown.
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Posted: 5/19/2009 8:16:43 AM EDT
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I went to a public range here in Georgia last week. I'm surprised they don't shut all the damn things down. They had a nice pavilion built on a concrete pad with nice benches to shoot off of. There were literally holes blown through the roof of the pavilion. It looked like someone had been down range shooting AT the firing line. There was brass and shot shells everywhere, you couldn't step off the concrete without tramping on them. The place was trashed. People can be real dicks. ETA: I'll have to get some pictures the next time I go there. I've seen that, too, at a private club that cost a boatload to join. Ever seen the power transformer behind the club house shot? That required shooting 180 degrees from the firing line. How about concrete posts for moving backers mowed level to the ground by gun fire? |
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Posted: 5/19/2009 8:20:45 AM EDT
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Our local public range ........
http://i40.tinypic.com/n6tlz6.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/2igyhqh.jpg http://i42.tinypic.com/fp455.jpg Remind me never to visit a Florida gun range without being in an APC.
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Posted: 5/19/2009 8:21:04 AM EDT
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I see every day how saddened we Virginians are that we lost that bastion of civilization now called West Virginia. Well, rejoice, because apparently it was some "city-slickers' from Winchester that did the dirty deed!
It is my duty as a native Virginian to poop on West Va every chance I get...but you knew that . I looked all over for the info on Winchester people being responsible for this to no avail. Especially when this has been happening for years and years...but it doesn't matter. We have tons of dumb-shits in Va just like everywhere else. I posted in the HTF about two of our Public Ranges being shut down for 8 months out of the year (they open them for sighting purposes for hunting season). It pisses me off something terrible, but I guess I have to find a club to join somewhere near central Va...anyone have any suggestions?
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Posted: 5/19/2009 8:22:28 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Our local public range ........ http://i40.tinypic.com/n6tlz6.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/2igyhqh.jpg http://i42.tinypic.com/fp455.jpg Remind me never to visit a Florida gun range without being in an APC. No shit...that last pic scares the hell outta me... |
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Posted: 5/19/2009 8:25:10 AM EDT
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Our local public range ........
http://i40.tinypic.com/n6tlz6.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/2igyhqh.jpg http://i42.tinypic.com/fp455.jpg uhhh wtf is wrong with people? |
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Posted: 5/19/2009 8:31:10 AM EDT
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frightening pictures there.
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Posted: 5/19/2009 8:34:50 AM EDT
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Our local public range ........
http://i40.tinypic.com/n6tlz6.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/2igyhqh.jpg http://i42.tinypic.com/fp455.jpg Remind me never to visit a Florida gun range without being in an APC.
No shit...that last pic scares the hell outta me... It's like that everywhere. Guns are not the only instruments of dumbassery either. People manage to tear up and destroy all sorts of public places with all sorts of instruments. |
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Posted: 5/19/2009 8:36:05 AM EDT
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Retards like this are the reason the only outdoor range around here has fucking metal tubes you have to shoot through.
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Posted: 5/19/2009 8:40:17 AM EDT
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Our local public range ........
http://i40.tinypic.com/n6tlz6.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/2igyhqh.jpg http://i42.tinypic.com/fp455.jpg Sweet Jesus! |
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Posted: 5/19/2009 8:41:47 AM EDT
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I shot at sleepy creek many times. This sucks
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Posted: 5/19/2009 8:48:52 AM EDT
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The saddest thing is.... I haven't met one of the dumb-fucks who do shit like this that are capable of learning otherwise. It isn't just that they're stupid... but they also just don't give a damn.
Those pictures above are off-the-chart full-retard. I wouldn't be surprised one bit by people putting targets on top of the backstops. I can only hope that when they do, their fellow idots will open fire with them downrange. |
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Posted: 5/19/2009 8:58:33 AM EDT
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Quoted: Retards like this are the reason the only outdoor range around here has fucking metal tubes you have to shoot through. ??? |
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Posted: 5/19/2009 9:05:00 AM EDT
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There's an indoor range here in Cincinnati called Target World, it's a good place to go if you like to dance, you can bet your ass you'll be doing the happy dance when someone does the daily negligent discharge into the floor or ceiling and be ready for those hot casing going down your shirt from the idiot next to you who doesn't understand why there's a booth with walls on both sides in the lane.... The roof looks like swiss cheese, you'd think they gave a bunch of 8 year olds uzi's and let them go at it....
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Posted: 5/19/2009 9:06:40 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Retards like this are the reason the only outdoor range around here has fucking metal tubes you have to shoot through. ??? Some ranges are set up so that you have to shoot through a tube ........ reduces over the berm shooting as well as sound. This is the idea.  |
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Posted: 5/19/2009 9:15:14 AM EDT
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The Indian Creek Missouri Conservation Range just outside Fenton, Missouri was shot up so badly they had to build benches out of concrete. Even still people managed to shoot the shit out of the single piece of wooden equipment on the range: a wooden box that holds free targets. The State of Missouri provides a free range and free targets and people want to shoot a wooden box. Assholes.
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Posted: 5/19/2009 9:18:29 AM EDT
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I guess I am spoiled by the public range I use here in Phoenix (Ben Avery).
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Posted: 5/19/2009 9:19:02 AM EDT
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I'm as big a supporter of personal freedom, less regulation, pro 2A, etc. as anyone...but just as some people shouldn't be able to drive, reproduce, or vote, some people should also not be allowed to have dangerous weapons. It hurts me to have to say that.
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Posted: 5/19/2009 9:25:09 AM EDT
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woops
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Posted: 5/19/2009 9:26:20 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Retards like this are the reason the only outdoor range around here has fucking metal tubes you have to shoot through. ??? Some ranges are set up so that you have to shoot through a tube ........ reduces over the berm shooting as well as sound. This is the idea. http://maryport-solway-sea-cadets.org.uk/images/range.gif WTF is that? |
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Posted: 5/19/2009 9:33:05 AM EDT
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FFUUUUUUUUUUU
That is where I will likely be shooting when I go to school next year.
Goddamned idiots. |
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Posted: 5/19/2009 9:33:43 AM EDT
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Our local public range ........
http://i40.tinypic.com/n6tlz6.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/2igyhqh.jpg http://i42.tinypic.com/fp455.jpg WTF????? |
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Posted: 5/19/2009 9:59:20 AM EDT
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Retards like this are the reason the only outdoor range around here has fucking metal tubes you have to shoot through. ??? Some ranges are set up so that you have to shoot through a tube ........ reduces over the berm shooting as well as sound. This is the idea. http://maryport-solway-sea-cadets.org.uk/images/range.gif WTF is that? That's kind of like what we have except probably not as retarded. The one around here has benches and the whole range slopes downward but nobody really bothered to check to see if all the angles match up. I guess they figured that the LOS with just the tubes was too great so they also welded flat pieces of metal onto the ends with a small rectangular cut out. The end result is that you've got to have your chin touching the bench just to see the target. looks something like this. 
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Posted: 5/19/2009 10:06:20 AM EDT
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Who in the hell shoots up the bathroom? They have a range for shooting! It must be all
the jerks that shoot up highway signs. Its unfortunate that our hobby is plagued by people with the mentality of teen graffiti artists and idiots that throw rocks through windows. |
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Posted: 5/19/2009 10:07:40 AM EDT
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Are they saying that people put the targets on top of the berm (bunkers) instead of in front of it? It's entirely possible. I think it's probably more likely that a bunch of people are out there dirt shootin' and causing problems with horrifically unsafe behavior rather than simply misunderstanding how a berm works. |
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Posted: 5/19/2009 10:10:29 AM EDT
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At the range I shoot at EVERY member has a responsibility to stop anyone from placing a target on top of the berm. Maybe that is why I haven't seen it. YMMV The range discussed here is one of the public ranges that do not require membership. Often you can get one entirely to yourself, which is awesome. What's no so awesome is when you show up to do some basic instruction and you see morons shooting at bowling balls and steel wheels with rifles...or people who don't understand the concept of not firing when someone is downrange. That's why I don't go to the range when hunting season rolls around. That kind of stupid can find its way to the range at any time, but it seems to be more confined to hunting season and holidays than at other times of the year. |
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