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Posted: 3/18/2009 6:14:33 PM EDT
Ok so I turn 21 in about a week. I will be getting a pistol from my parents for my birthday but I havent fully decided which one yet. I really love the S&W M&P9 and M&P9c. I have shot them a few times and really like them, however I always hear people rave about glocks. So what model glocks are similar to the previous mentioned S&W's. With everything I hear about glocks, I would like to atleast grip one and see how it feels and hopefully shoot one, before I make my decision. Also as far as he M&P series go, how would you guys rate them compared to glocks?
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Do yourself a favor... google "Glock kb"
Then, ask for a SIG Sauer. Mike |
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Glock 19. All the pistol you will ever need. If you want more features or feel uncomfortable with the safety mechanisms, try the XD series or MnP. In the end, they are all better than a kel-tec.
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You might want to change your Avatar, I thought you were N_T for a minute.
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You know, for a second I thought you were that Napoleon_Tannerite dude.
You should think about getting a new avatar. |
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G26, although that 9mm MP w/3.5 barrel is pretty cool.
Here's the deal: 20X more 'stuff' for the Glock. 33 rd mags!, Threaded barrels!, Compensated barrels (why one would need this on a '9' is beyond me). |
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You might want to change your Avatar, I thought you were N_T for a minute. This. Also, like above mentioned, G19 is good. As far as the Glock exploding like also mentioned above... Dont let that sway you, it is highly unlikely that it will happen if you properly check your cases if you reload. |
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You might want to change your Avatar, I thought you were N_T for a minute. I guess I could consider that, even though I have had this avatar since I joined |
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You know, for a second I thought you were that Napoleon_Tannerite dude. You should think about getting a new avatar. lol |
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You might want to change your Avatar, I thought you were N_T for a minute. Yeah, don't piss him off. He might throw you down a driveway or something. |
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You might want to change your Avatar, I thought you were N_T for a minute. +1 and G19 or either of the M&P 9's |
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Quoted: +1 You know, for a second I thought you were that Napoleon_Tannerite dude. You should think about getting a new avatar. and go see how the G19 feels in your hands edit: pay special attention to the way the gun points in your hand..some don't like the grip angle, but I find the glocks to be quite comfortable and ergonomic for me. |
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You might want to change your Avatar, I thought you were N_T for a minute. I guess I could consider that, even though I have had this avatar since I joined He's not the guy you want to be mistaken for, unless you like constant harrassment about throwing things down the driveway or being called Sir. |
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You know, for a second I thought you were that Napoleon_Tannerite dude. You should think about getting a new avatar. lol Ya beat me to it. |
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You might want to change your Avatar, I thought you were N_T for a minute. Thats N_T's troll account...I mean asking about glocks in GD??? The plus on the M&P is the changable grip. They shoot good too. I'm not to fond of the trigger. The plus on the glock is reliability, they shoot good too. The downside is the trigger. |
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Quoted: GLOCK.........great pistol or greatest pistol? well it's GLOCK Perfection™ of course! |
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I have a G19 for carry purposes and like it. I've had it for a long time.
But, I've heard good things about the S&W products. There are a lot of nice, high quality pistols out now. Pick one that you like. |
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alot of people are saying the Glock 19. Have any of you guys shot an M&P? If so, could you compare the two. anything about one or the other that kinda annoyed you? Also one thing I like about the M&P is that it has steel novak sights. I dont think that the Glocks do, but I might be mistaken
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You can get them with steel trijcon night sights, or many other aftermarket sights much better than the plastic that comes on them.
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M&P has a crap trigger & IIRC a Mag disconnect= awe hell no
Glock has a plethora of aftermarket doodads including trigger kits. |
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Go hold both, and if you can, rent both and shoot first. You'll be able to tell which you like better. They are very similar, for me, I like the glock better. A 17 would be the closest to the MP9, and the 26 would be close to the MP9C. The 19 is in between. I love my 19, it is my fav range gun.
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G26 is the way to go...much more gear, threaded barrels, 33 rd mags...
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The M&P9 and 9c would be like a 17 or 17c. If you wanted a slightly smaller gun, then get a 19 or 19c.
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M&P feels better in the hand, particularly for a 1911 fan (which I am). However, the trigger of the Glock is FAR superior IMHO. I chose to modify the grip of a Glock to give me the feel I need rather than put up with the piss-poor M&P trigger. By the way, I do own both, and the M&P9 has been relegated to use by my son only because its adjustable to fit his small hand.
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GLOCK.........great pistol or greatest pistol? neither |
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Your parents are going to give you a Glock?
Do they not love you or something? |
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I own a 21 and a 34. Instead of the 21 I wish I would hav epicked up a 30, yeah the 45 is lil more expensive to shoot but the 30 is such an amzing little package
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Ok so I turn 21 in about a week. I will be getting a pistol from my parents for my birthday but I havent fully decided which one yet. I really love the S&W M&P9 and M&P9c. I have shot them a few times and really like them, however I always hear people rave about glocks. So what model glocks are similar to the previous mentioned S&W's. With everything I hear about glocks, I would like to atleast grip one and see how it feels and hopefully shoot one, before I make my decision. Also as far as he M&P series go, how would you guys rate them compared to glocks? My first reaction was "WTF is N_T's malfunction this time?" That avatar is gonna cause you some problems around here Having said that, I was just contemplating what a piece of awesomeness my G17 is. I prefer it to the 19 but that's just me; I'll prolly get a 19 too eventually. I've held a few M&Ps, and while they aren't bad, I don't think they do anything that Glocks don't. Just for the record, I have a few USPs from when I was a H&K fan, a whole lot of time on the Beretta M9, good familiarity with the XD, and have tried a whole bunch of other crap. If I could only have one gun, I'd keep my Glock 20. That's about all I can say. Fuck the haters and forget the koolaid drinkers on either side. Most importantly, THE FACT THAT GLOCKS ARE GOOD FOR ME DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE RIGHT FOR YOU. |
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You might want to change your Avatar, I thought you were N_T for a minute. this oh and if you like the M&P stay with it, I think the Glock is a step down. Although I think the XD series is worth a look. |
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Your parents are going to give you a Glock? Do they not love you or something? They are going to buy me a pistol, I get to pick which one |
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What's your primary use for it? If you plan to carry it that's one tihng. Just a range gun, might be a different choice.
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I say this in a helpful way. I am not bashing Glocks.
Glocks, and pistols with Glock-like triggers, are disproportionately susceptible to accidents when the finger accidentally rests on the trigger. You said you are 21, so I'm guessing you have not been handling guns for 30 years. There are a lot of people out there who swear they never put their fingers on the trigger, but they do it without realizing it. They get offended and indignant if somebody says "Keep your finger off the trigger." They say "Do you think I'm an idiot? How dare you remind me of a basic thing like that?" They never realize it until they shoot themselves in the leg. Please, become fanatical about keep your trigger finger straight alongside the frame, all the time. |
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You might want to change your Avatar, I thought you were N_T for a minute. this oh and if you like the M&P stay with it, I think the Glock is a step down. Although I think the XD series is worth a look. What about the glock makes you consider it a step down? Oh and just so everyone knows, I understand what feels right to one person, wont necessarily feel right to another. I am just asking about things that you wont necessarily notice from just picking up the gun for a couple minutes. Maybe things that have a tendency to malfunction or things that at first you didnt notice, but after some time of carrying it, it started to bother you |
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What's your primary use for it? If you plan to carry it that's one tihng. Just a range gun, might be a different choice. I plan on carrying it. It will be my only carry piece for the time being bc it will be the first pistol I will own |
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Ok so I turn 21 in about a week. I will be getting a pistol from my parents for my birthday but I havent fully decided which one yet. I really love the S&W M&P9 and M&P9c. I have shot them a few times and really like them, however I always hear people rave about glocks. So what model glocks are similar to the previous mentioned S&W's. With everything I hear about glocks, I would like to atleast grip one and see how it feels and hopefully shoot one, before I make my decision. Also as far as he M&P series go, how would you guys rate them compared to glocks? Glocks in 9mm are good guns. S&W M&P's in all the calibers are pretty good guns too. Glock Pros: * Relatively cheap * Tons of parts out there for them * Easy to replace the crappy factory sights with good sights like Warren Tactical sights * Plentiful supply of relatively inexpensive high-capacity magazines Glock cons: * The ergonomics of the Glock aren't ideal for everybody but there's not a lot you can do about it. * Glock is backordered by some insane number of units right now so they might be hard to find on gunstore shelves * Non 9mm Glocks tend to have a lot more issues than the 9mm versions * Nobody makes a truly good laser system for the Glock yet * Crappy factory sights * You have to pull the trigger to take it apart...which has lead to a lot of people having ND's due to lack of attention to proper safety procedures M&P Pros: * Adjustable grip makes it fit lots of people better than the Glock * Does not require a trigger pull to disassemble * Can be had with a manual safety...there are certain drawbacks to a weapon with a 5-6 pound trigger and no manual safety that this helps limit * Tend to be very accurate, especially for a polymer framed handgun * Interchangeable grip allows the best integration of a laser unit yet seen on a handgun M&P Cons: * MUST use snapcaps when dryfiring * Magazines are more expensive than Glock mags and can be hard to come by at times * MUST use the proper sight tool to replace sights * A bit more complicated than Glocks * The trigger reset on M&P's is extremely weak without a Massachusets trigger bar and trigger spring. (Most M&P's do not have those parts) The Glocks most similar to the M&P's you've fired would be the G17, G19, and G26. The G17 is slightly larger than a full-sized M&P. The Glock 19 is slightly smaller than the full sized M&P, slightly larger than the M&P 9C. The Glock 26 is smaller than the M&P 9C. You should absolutely shoot both, preferably side by side to see which works best for you. When someone asks about a first handgun my default answer is a Glock 19. They are concealable, capable, reliable, and easy to use. Weapons with a consistent trigger pull from shot to shot are often better for individuals who are new and/or do not have sufficient time and resources to train to master the DA/SA transition. How do the M&P's compare to the Glocks? That's subjective. There are a number of police agencies who replaced Glocks with M&P's and are extremely happy with them. As a whole the LE agencies I know of that adopted the M&P have very positive things to say about the weapon. Glocks in 9mm are also very good handguns by any standard and a number of departments who issue them are very happy with them as well. Both platforms can be considered duty quality weapons. You should pick the platform that you shoot the best and that makes the most sense for you. |
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Buy what you like and what feels best to you . Glock does have a proven track record, only time will tell with the M&P.
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I say this in a helpful way. I am not bashing Glocks. Glocks, and pistols with Glock-like triggers, are disproportionately susceptible to accidents when the finger accidentally rests on the trigger. You said you are 21, so I'm guessing you have not been handling guns for 30 years. There are a lot of people out there who swear they never put their fingers on the trigger, but they do it without realizing it. They get offended and indignant if somebody says "Keep your finger off the trigger." They say "Do you think I'm an idiot? How dare you remind me of a basic thing like that?" They never realize it until they shoot themselves in the leg. Please, become fanatical about keep your trigger finger straight alongside the frame, all the time. Thats exactly the type of info I was looking for. See I have been around all sorts of guns including pistols since I was very young, however never glock type pistols. My dad is a big ruger fan, so its always been ruger P90's and P89's and such and a few makarov's as far as semi-autos go in my upbringing. |
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I say this in a helpful way. I am not bashing Glocks. Glocks, and pistols with Glock-like triggers, are disproportionately susceptible to accidents when the finger accidentally rests on the trigger. You said you are 21, so I'm guessing you have not been handling guns for 30 years. There are a lot of people out there who swear they never put their fingers on the trigger, but they do it without realizing it. They get offended and indignant if somebody says "Keep your finger off the trigger." They say "Do you think I'm an idiot? How dare you remind me of a basic thing like that?" They never realize it until they shoot themselves in the leg. Please, become fanatical about keep your trigger finger straight alongside the frame, all the time. Thats exactly the type of info I was looking for. See I have been around all sorts of guns including pistols since I was very young, however never glock type pistols. My dad is a big ruger fan, so its always been ruger P90's and P89's and such and a few makarov's as far as semi-autos go in my upbringing. Don't listen to that bullshit. Of course a gun will shoot if you pull the trigger. ANY gun will. Resting your finger on the Glock trigger will not make it fire. You have to pull the trigger. Saying it is more likely to happen with a Glock is asinine. My first gun was a Glock 36. I had no experience with any other handguns. It was the first handgun I had ever touched. I've never had a ND or AD. Go to the range, rent a few guns, find out which one feels best and buy it. You are asking a question that can't be answered. You must answer it. As far as quality and reliability goes, you CAN'T beat a Glock 19. |
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alot of people are saying the Glock 19. Have any of you guys shot an M&P? Yowsers.....for such a young dude you know exactly the right questions to ask! Congrats. I own 4 M&P's (including the FS 9 and the 9C) and 3 Glocks (including the G17, G19, and G26) at the moment. I have more M&P's on order, specifically two of the special edition PistolTraining.com M&P 9mm's that you can find out more about here: http://pistol-training.com/ If so, could you compare the two. anything about one or the other that kinda annoyed you? Personally I prefer the M&P because I suffer from Glock slide bite and because in general I find that I shoot the M&P better than the Glock. I can shoot both well, but the M&P is more effortless for me than the Glock. Feel is a subjective thing, but the M&P handles recoil better than the Glock does, at least in my hands. The front sight settles back into the notch more easily than the Glock. With FMJ target ammo you don't feel the difference in the recoil impulse as much, but once you transition to duty quality ammo like +P hollowpoints you notice that the M&P has a more controllable recoil. (Talking about the full sized, here...) Also one thing I like about the M&P is that it has steel novak sights. I dont think that the Glocks do, but I might be mistaken Correct. The M&P's come with Novak sights standard. Personally I don't like the Novaks because it makes one handed manipulations more difficult. I replaced all my M&P sights with sights from Warren Tactical. The Warren 2 dot and 3 dot night sights are, in my opinion, the best sights on the market. Glocks come standard with crappy polymer sights that suck. I've seen them come off of the weapons in training several times. If you get night sights from the factory with Glocks you're getting quality steel sights. Personally I'm not a fan of the standard 3 dot night sight setup, though. Still, it is a vast improvement over the factory slot fillers. The nice thing about Glocks is that it's very easy to replace the awful plastic factory sights with decent aftermarkets like Heinies, Warrens, or even Novaks. It's much more difficult to replace M&P sights because they are installed by a hydraulic ram that essentially crush fits them into the dovetails of the slide. To replace them you need the special MGW M&P sight tool. Because I own so many M&P's (and I'm buying more) I invested in the sight tool and it's been a god-send for me. |
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M&P has a crap trigger The trigger depends on the individual specimen. All the ones I've handled lately have pretty decent triggers before any breakin. & IIRC a Mag disconnect= awe hell no Mag disconnects can be installed in M&P's, but the majority of them on the market do not have mag safeties. It's easy to see which have the mag safeties and which do not, as the models without mag safeties have a warning label on the slide indicating that they will fire without a magazine in the weapon. Glock has a plethora of aftermarket doodads including trigger kits. True...just like the AR. ...and like the AR, a lot of the aftermarket parts for the Glock are a bad idea. |
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Glock 19 would be my first choice. I ve been through hell with mine and never had any KB.
Glock 26 if you want something a little smaller, but IMO, its not worth the ammo sacrifice and other factors. I like the M&P 9c also, running a close second, I think if you got the Glock, you wouldnt go wrong. AS far as shooting goes, the Glock feels, points and shoots much better for me, I am very accurate with my 19, some may tell you they "Are not accurate" I beg to differ. If you do your part, you can punch the same hole, and double taps keep extremely close also after practice. The reason I love the 19 vs the M&P, Parts availability, Glock warranty and CS. I can call and get whatever parts i need like springs if ever needed no questions asked, no charge, free swag too. Upgrades, I love the sandpaper grips vs anything else. The Tungsten guide rods make a huge difference in felt recoil and muzzle flip. After your spring wears, they will just send you a free one and you install it. Night sight choices, and many others. Besides these, all you need is lots of ammo and lots of mags, a good holster, and a local range. Obviously, I am partial to the Glock, I own 5, 2 have been through motorcycle accidents, sand, freezers, swamp water, job site tool boxes and tool bag carry, and never failed to go bang. I own a M&P 9sc also, but I still carry a Glock Daily for CPL |
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Thats exactly the type of info I was looking for. See I have been around all sorts of guns including pistols since I was very young, however never glock type pistols. My dad is a big ruger fan, so its always been ruger P90's and P89's and such and a few makarov's as far as semi-autos go in my upbringing. Weapons with a 5-6 pound trigger and no manual safety are very sensitive to trigger finger issues. Unfortunately lots of people have trigger finger issues. You also need to consider gear. A lot of AD's have happened because people had various bits of gear (flashlight lanyards, holster thumbsnaps, drawstrings on jackets, etc...) get inside the trigger guard of a striker fired weapon (like a Glock or an M&P) while reholstering. When you have such a weapon it's critical that you: 1. Ingrain proper safety procedures into your subconscious through deliberate practice and perfect repetition 2. Make equipment selections that minimize the chances of something getting inside the trigger guard (Not using jackets with drawstrings, etc...) |
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Here's a couple of writeups I've done that might be useful:
Learning to live with the Glock Fighting in low light: The Essentials |
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