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Posted: 1/18/2009 12:36:04 PM EDT
From the NRA:



Brady Sends Obama Its Pre-Inauguration Wish List
 
Friday, January 16, 2009
 
No one, including the Brady Campaign, seriously believes that Barack Obama was elected president because of his support for gun control. But Brady is pretending that it provided Obama the margin of victory in November, and has provided him with a very long list of gun bans and other restrictions that it expects from him in return.

If for no other reason, Obama might want to tell Brady "no," because if he were to do their bidding, they would be sure to demand that he do even more.  That's demonstrated by Brady's statement that their current request "is not intended to present an exhaustive list . . . but does provide a starting point." It includes:

A California-style "assault weapons" ban. For several years, Brady has referred to California's ban––which is far more restrictive than the federal ban of 1994-2004––as the "model" for the rest of the nation. Brady doesn't say so, but it clearly supports––as does the Violence Policy Center––the California––like ban that Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.) has proposed in Congress since before the 1994 semi-automatic firearm ban expired. Among its differences from the 1994 ban, the McCarthy bill would ban rifles like the AR-15, even if they do not have a flash suppressor, bayonet mount, or adjustable-position stock. It would ban the M1, the M1 Carbine, the Ruger Mini-14 series, the SKS, and many other semi-automatic rifles not previously labeled as "assault weapons." And it would ban every semi-automatic shotgun, by banning its receiver. Brady wants .50 caliber rifles banned as well.

A ban on standard magazines designed for self-defense.  Brady calls them "high-capacity," but magazines that hold more than 10 rounds are designed for self-defense, as demonstrated by the fact that most guns that use standard defensive magazines (those holding more than 10 rounds) are handguns designed for self-defense, and used for that purpose by private citizens, law enforcement officers, and military personnel alike.

Now's as good a time as any to dispel one blatant lie that Brady includes with its wish list. Brady says, "Beginning with the Brady Law in 1993, the assault weapon ban in 1994, and other Clinton Administration policies, our nation experienced an historic decline in gun crime and violence," adding, "during the Bush years, gun crime increased as the Administration and Congress . . . allowed the assault weapons ban to expire [and] gave the gun industry special legal protection."

The truth is, violent crime began declining in 1991, three years before the Brady Act and the semi-automatic firearm ban, and more than a year before Bill Clinton took office. And, the nation's violent crime rate has declined another eight percent since President Bush took office.

Moreover, in 1998, the Brady Act's waiting period on gun sales ceased, because it was replaced by the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), which the Brady Campaign has always opposed (though they try to take credit for it today, inappropriately referring to NICS checks as "Brady checks.") And, contrary to Brady's prediction that crime rates would soar if the semi-automatic firearm ban expired, the ban expired in 2004, and since then violent crime rates have been lower than anytime in the last 31 years.

Repeal the recent Department of the Interior rule allowing state law to determine how firearms may be carried in National Parks and wildlife refuges.  Brady offers no evidence to support its hunch that allowing permit-holders to carry concealed firearms "would increase the risk of gun crime, injury and death in the parks and wildlife refuges." But as for Brady's hunches, for the last 20 years it has predicted that allowing people to carry guns for protection will cause murder rates to soar, but people now carry guns for protection in 40 states and since 1999, murder rates have been lower than anytime since the mid-1960s.

Repeal the Tiahrt Amendment and the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA). Brady complains that the Tiahrt Amendment "restricts disclosure of the data to law enforcement," and prevents the BATFE from disclosing firearm-tracing data to the public. The first claim is a lie. The amendment allows BATFE to provide the data to any law enforcement agency involved in a bona fide investigation related to a traced firearm.

Tracing data is not released to the public so that, among other reasons, criminals won't know that the police are investigating them. Brady should just tell the truth, for once: even though the BATFE and Congressional Research Service repeatedly state that tracing data are not reliable enough to draw conclusions about the criminal use of guns generally, Brady wants the data so it can concoct bogus claims to use in lawsuits against firearm manufacturers who comply with every applicable firearm law.  These lawsuits are currently prohibited by the PLCAA, which Brady hopes to overturn.

Require all firearm sales to go through NICS (advocated by Mr. Obama's choice for Attorney General, Eric Holder), and allow the FBI to retain the records of all NICS-approved firearm transfers.  It used to be that Brady claimed that the only private transfers that it wanted run through NICS were those taking place at gun shows. Now, it's all private transfers, including gifts between family members and sales or trades between friends. And, it wants the FBI to record all transfers. Translation:  Gun and gun owner registration, no two ways about it.

Allow a NICS check to reject someone whose name is on an FBI watch list. This is yet another idea recommended by prospective Attorney General Holder and Obama adviser Rahm Emanuel. The obvious problem with it is that you can get on one of these lists by having the same name as a suspected criminal or terrorist, and if you are on a list, you may not be able to determine which one you are on, much less get yourself removed.  Sen. Ted Kennedy even ended up on a "no fly" list, for reasons that have not been made public.

Prohibit the sale of more than one handgun to a single individual in a 30-day period, in order to thwart "large-volume" illegal gun traffickers.  Federal law already requires a dealer to report to law enforcement authorities whenever a person buys more than one handgun in a five-day period.  This proposal amounts to the rationing of a constitutional right with no crime-reduction benefit.

Require all new guns to micro-stamp ammunition with serial numbers linking the owner in a federal gun-owner registration database.  Most crimes are solved by other means, not by ammunition markings, and criminals could easily deface the firearm parts that would bear the serial numbers. Brady's agenda isn't about solving crimes; for them micro-stamping is another way of achieving gun and gun owner registration.

Require consumer safety standards for firearms.  Even the vehemently anti-gun Violence Policy Center has said this would lead to standards too difficult for firearm manufacturers to achieve, thus ending firearm production.

We close with yet another Brady lie, "These proposals are clearly constitutional under the U.S. Supreme Court's recent Second Amendment decision in District of Columbia v. Heller and they pose no threat to the interests of law-abiding gun owners." Heller clearly said that laws cannot deprive people of the Right to Keep and Bear Arms for defensive purposes. As for "the interests of gun owners," we'll follow the Supreme Court's example, and let gun owners speak for themselves. The Court declared D.C.'s handgun ban unconstitutional because gun owners consider handguns to be the type of firearm best suited for self-defense.


 

 
Link Posted: 1/18/2009 12:40:29 PM EDT
[#1]
Obama might be a lot of things, but stupid isn't one of them.
Link Posted: 1/18/2009 12:45:16 PM EDT
[#3]
yup.

figures.

Link Posted: 1/18/2009 12:46:09 PM EDT
[#4]
Everyone says Obama "Owes" the Brady Campaign

But what?

Gun control wasn't an issue in this election at all. So what is owed?
Link Posted: 1/18/2009 12:46:49 PM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
Obama might be a lot of things, but stupid isn't one of them.


Oh Yeah , Check out his record on the second amendment while he was in IL which by the way has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country..

When will some of you idiots wake up and realise he is nofriend to the second amendment.

I mean are you gonna believe it after they pass a new AWB or are some of you still going to be making excuses for him.

Give me a break for fucks sake. You probably think John Kerry is an avid goose hunter too , Right???

Link Posted: 1/18/2009 12:49:33 PM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
Obama might be a lot of things, but stupid isn't one of them.


We'll see.

Danny
Link Posted: 1/18/2009 12:49:33 PM EDT
[#7]
So what is the NRA going to do about it except ask for more money and mail out more junk?  If the NRA was actually leading a charge to repeal anti-gun laws instead of waiting to only defend/compromise to the attacks from anti-gun groups, then I'd rejoin the organization.  

The NRA should be using the Heller decision to mount a full scale national campaign to restore the 2nd to what it was prior to 1934.
Link Posted: 1/18/2009 12:51:45 PM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Obama might be a lot of things, but stupid isn't one of them.


We'll see.

Danny



Yes we will, I'm going into hiding.
Link Posted: 1/18/2009 12:52:44 PM EDT
[#9]



Quoted:

Obama might be a lot of things, but stupid isn't one of them.


He is surrounding himself (cabinet picks) with far left wing clinton cronies.  All he will hear from them is call for more gun control.

Link Posted: 1/18/2009 12:59:19 PM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
So what is the NRA going to do about it except ask for more money and mail out more junk?  If the NRA was actually leading a charge to repeal anti-gun laws instead of waiting to only defend/compromise to the attacks from anti-gun groups, then I'd rejoin the organization.  

The NRA should be using the Heller decision to mount a full scale national campaign to restore the 2nd to what it was prior to 1934.


+1, couldn't have said it better
Link Posted: 1/18/2009 1:03:53 PM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
Quoted:
So what is the NRA going to do about it except ask for more money and mail out more junk?  If the NRA was actually leading a charge to repeal anti-gun laws instead of waiting to only defend/compromise to the attacks from anti-gun groups, then I'd rejoin the organization.  

The NRA should be using the Heller decision to mount a full scale national campaign to restore the 2nd to what it was prior to 1934.


+1, couldn't have said it better


...ending women's suffrage is also a must. Females voting (Ladies Of Arfcom are excluded, of course) are responsible for about 50% of the State Of The Union.

Link Posted: 1/18/2009 1:05:44 PM EDT
[#12]
Quoted:
Obama might be a lot of things, but stupid isn't one of them.


Yeah, heaven forbid he risk losing the arfcom vote.
Link Posted: 1/18/2009 1:16:46 PM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:
So what is the NRA going to do about it except ask for more money and mail out more junk?  If the NRA was actually leading a charge to repeal anti-gun laws instead of waiting to only defend/compromise to the attacks from anti-gun groups, then I'd rejoin the organization.  

The NRA should be using the Heller decision to mount a full scale national campaign to restore the 2nd to what it was prior to 1934.


Well said
Link Posted: 1/18/2009 1:21:15 PM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
Quoted:
So what is the NRA going to do about it except ask for more money and mail out more junk?  If the NRA was actually leading a charge to repeal anti-gun laws instead of waiting to only defend/compromise to the attacks from anti-gun groups, then I'd rejoin the organization.  

The NRA should be using the Heller decision to mount a full scale national campaign to restore the 2nd to what it was prior to 1934.


Well said

My thoughts exactly.
Link Posted: 1/18/2009 1:22:24 PM EDT
[#15]
The Black Panthers sent him a list too!

1. WE WANT FREEDOM. WE WANT POWER TO DETERMINE THE DESTINY OF OUR BLACK AND OPPRESSED COMMUNITIES.
We believe that Black and oppressed people will not be free until we are able to determine our destinies in our own communities ourselves, by fully controlling all the institutions which exist in our communities.

2. WE WANT FULL EMPLOYMENT FOR OUR PEOPLE.
We believe that the federal government is responsible and obligated to give every person employment or a guaranteed income. We believe that if the American businessmen will not give full employment, then the technology and means of production should be taken from the businessmen and placed in the community so that the people of the community can organize and employ all of its people and give a high standard of living.

3. WE WANT AN END TO THE ROBBERY BY THE CAPITALISTS OF OUR BLACK AND OPPRESSED COMMUNITIES.
We believe that this racist government has robbed us and now we are demanding the overdue debt of forty acres and two mules. Forty acres and two mules were promised 100 years ago as restitution for slave labor and mass murder of Black people. We will accept the payment in currency which will be distributed to our many communities. The American racist has taken part in the slaughter of our fifty million Black people. Therefore, we feel this is a modest demand that we make.

4. WE WANT DECENT HOUSING, FIT FOR THE SHELTER OF HUMAN BEINGS.
We believe that if the landlords will not give decent housing to our Black and oppressed communities, then housing and the land should be made into cooperatives so that the people in our communities, with government aid, can build and make decent housing for the people.

5. WE WANT DECENT EDUCATION FOR OUR PEOPLE THAT EXPOSES THE TRUE NATURE OF THIS DECADENT AMERICAN SOCIETY. WE WANT EDUCATION THAT TEACHES US OUR TRUE HISTORY AND OUR ROLE IN THE PRESENT-DAY SOCIETY.
We believe in an educational system that will give to our people a knowledge of the self. If you do not have knowledge of yourself and your position in the society and in the world, then you will have little chance to know anything else.

6. WE WANT COMPLETELY FREE HEALTH CARE FOR All BLACK AND OPPRESSED PEOPLE.
We believe that the government must provide, free of charge, for the people, health facilities which will not only treat our illnesses, most of which have come about as a result of our oppression, but which will also develop preventive medical programs to guarantee our future survival. We believe that mass health education and research programs must be developed to give all Black and oppressed people access to advanced scientific and medical information, so we may provide our selves with proper medical attention and care.

7. WE WANT AN IMMEDIATE END TO POLICE BRUTALITY AND MURDER OF BLACK PEOPLE, OTHER PEOPLE OF COLOR, All OPPRESSED PEOPLE INSIDE THE UNITED STATES.
We believe that the racist and fascist government of the United States uses its domestic enforcement agencies to carry out its program of oppression against black people, other people of color and poor people inside the united States. We believe it is our right, therefore, to defend ourselves against such armed forces and that all Black and oppressed people should be armed for self defense of our homes and communities against these fascist police forces.

8. WE WANT AN IMMEDIATE END TO ALL WARS OF AGGRESSION.
We believe that the various conflicts which exist around the world stem directly from the aggressive desire of the United States ruling circle and government to force its domination upon the oppressed people of the world. We believe that if the United States government or its lackeys do not cease these aggressive wars it is the right of the people to defend themselves by any means necessary against their aggressors.

9. WE WANT FREEDOM FOR ALL BLACK AND OPPRESSED PEOPLE NOW HELD IN U. S. FEDERAL, STATE, COUNTY, CITY AND MILITARY PRISONS AND JAILS. WE WANT TRIALS BY A JURY OF PEERS FOR All PERSONS CHARGED WITH SO-CALLED CRIMES UNDER THE LAWS OF THIS COUNTRY.
We believe that the many Black and poor oppressed people now held in United States prisons and jails have not received fair and impartial trials under a racist and fascist judicial system and should be free from incarceration. We believe in the ultimate elimination of all wretched, inhuman penal institutions, because the masses of men and women imprisoned inside the United States or by the United States military are the victims of oppressive conditions which are the real cause of their imprisonment. We believe that when persons are brought to trial they must be guaranteed, by the United States, juries of their peers, attorneys of their choice and freedom from imprisonment while awaiting trial.

10. WE WANT LAND, BREAD, HOUSING, EDUCATION, CLOTHING, JUSTICE, PEACE AND PEOPLE'S COMMUNITY CONTROL OF MODERN TECHNOLOGY.
When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume, among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that, whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and, accordingly, all experience hath shown that mankind are most disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But, when a long train of abuses and usurpation, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.
Link Posted: 1/18/2009 1:29:07 PM EDT
[#16]
Is Obama the new government version of Santa now?

I can see the little urban youths now....


Dear black Government Santa....

Link Posted: 1/18/2009 1:35:32 PM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
So what is the NRA going to do about it except ask for more money and mail out more junk?  If the NRA was actually leading a charge to repeal anti-gun laws instead of waiting to only defend/compromise to the attacks from anti-gun groups, then I'd rejoin the organization.  

The NRA should be using the Heller decision to mount a full scale national campaign to restore the 2nd to what it was prior to 1934.


Well said

My thoughts exactly.


I'm going to join. I'm also going to enclose a letter with my application that'll state something to the effect of, "When can we expect definitive action from your organization not only in combatting any proposed or forthcoming anti-gun legislation but also with regards to the attempted repeal of onerous anti-gun laws now on the books? My subsequent membership renewals may very well hinge on your actions - or the lack thereof."

Not holding my breath but it's worth a shot.

Link Posted: 1/18/2009 1:43:40 PM EDT
[#18]
oh boy
Link Posted: 1/18/2009 1:57:40 PM EDT
[#19]
Quoted:
Obama might be a lot of things, but stupid isn't one of them.




Ri-i-i-ight.
Link Posted: 1/18/2009 2:02:15 PM EDT
[#20]
All those things are already available.............with some self determination and effort..........and trusting Obama to spare us the lefty BS is like spitting into the wind


Quoted:
The Black Panthers sent him a list too!

1. WE WANT FREEDOM. WE WANT POWER TO DETERMINE THE DESTINY OF OUR BLACK AND OPPRESSED COMMUNITIES.
We believe that Black and oppressed people will not be free until we are able to determine our destinies in our own communities ourselves, by fully controlling all the institutions which exist in our communities.

2. WE WANT FULL EMPLOYMENT FOR OUR PEOPLE.
We believe that the federal government is responsible and obligated to give every person employment or a guaranteed income. We believe that if the American businessmen will not give full employment, then the technology and means of production should be taken from the businessmen and placed in the community so that the people of the community can organize and employ all of its people and give a high standard of living.

3. WE WANT AN END TO THE ROBBERY BY THE CAPITALISTS OF OUR BLACK AND OPPRESSED COMMUNITIES.
We believe that this racist government has robbed us and now we are demanding the overdue debt of forty acres and two mules. Forty acres and two mules were promised 100 years ago as restitution for slave labor and mass murder of Black people. We will accept the payment in currency which will be distributed to our many communities. The American racist has taken part in the slaughter of our fifty million Black people. Therefore, we feel this is a modest demand that we make.

4. WE WANT DECENT HOUSING, FIT FOR THE SHELTER OF HUMAN BEINGS.
We believe that if the landlords will not give decent housing to our Black and oppressed communities, then housing and the land should be made into cooperatives so that the people in our communities, with government aid, can build and make decent housing for the people.

5. WE WANT DECENT EDUCATION FOR OUR PEOPLE THAT EXPOSES THE TRUE NATURE OF THIS DECADENT AMERICAN SOCIETY. WE WANT EDUCATION THAT TEACHES US OUR TRUE HISTORY AND OUR ROLE IN THE PRESENT-DAY SOCIETY.
We believe in an educational system that will give to our people a knowledge of the self. If you do not have knowledge of yourself and your position in the society and in the world, then you will have little chance to know anything else.

6. WE WANT COMPLETELY FREE HEALTH CARE FOR All BLACK AND OPPRESSED PEOPLE.
We believe that the government must provide, free of charge, for the people, health facilities which will not only treat our illnesses, most of which have come about as a result of our oppression, but which will also develop preventive medical programs to guarantee our future survival. We believe that mass health education and research programs must be developed to give all Black and oppressed people access to advanced scientific and medical information, so we may provide our selves with proper medical attention and care.

7. WE WANT AN IMMEDIATE END TO POLICE BRUTALITY AND MURDER OF BLACK PEOPLE, OTHER PEOPLE OF COLOR, All OPPRESSED PEOPLE INSIDE THE UNITED STATES.
We believe that the racist and fascist government of the United States uses its domestic enforcement agencies to carry out its program of oppression against black people, other people of color and poor people inside the united States. We believe it is our right, therefore, to defend ourselves against such armed forces and that all Black and oppressed people should be armed for self defense of our homes and communities against these fascist police forces.

8. WE WANT AN IMMEDIATE END TO ALL WARS OF AGGRESSION.
We believe that the various conflicts which exist around the world stem directly from the aggressive desire of the United States ruling circle and government to force its domination upon the oppressed people of the world. We believe that if the United States government or its lackeys do not cease these aggressive wars it is the right of the people to defend themselves by any means necessary against their aggressors.

9. WE WANT FREEDOM FOR ALL BLACK AND OPPRESSED PEOPLE NOW HELD IN U. S. FEDERAL, STATE, COUNTY, CITY AND MILITARY PRISONS AND JAILS. WE WANT TRIALS BY A JURY OF PEERS FOR All PERSONS CHARGED WITH SO-CALLED CRIMES UNDER THE LAWS OF THIS COUNTRY.
We believe that the many Black and poor oppressed people now held in United States prisons and jails have not received fair and impartial trials under a racist and fascist judicial system and should be free from incarceration. We believe in the ultimate elimination of all wretched, inhuman penal institutions, because the masses of men and women imprisoned inside the United States or by the United States military are the victims of oppressive conditions which are the real cause of their imprisonment. We believe that when persons are brought to trial they must be guaranteed, by the United States, juries of their peers, attorneys of their choice and freedom from imprisonment while awaiting trial.

10. WE WANT LAND, BREAD, HOUSING, EDUCATION, CLOTHING, JUSTICE, PEACE AND PEOPLE'S COMMUNITY CONTROL OF MODERN TECHNOLOGY.
When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume, among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that, whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and, accordingly, all experience hath shown that mankind are most disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But, when a long train of abuses and usurpation, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.


Link Posted: 1/18/2009 2:04:59 PM EDT
[#21]
Quoted:
So what is the NRA going to do about it except ask for more money and mail out more junk?  If the NRA was actually leading a charge to repeal anti-gun laws instead of waiting to only defend/compromise to the attacks from anti-gun groups, then I'd rejoin the organization.  

The NRA should be using the Heller decision to mount a full scale national campaign to restore the 2nd to what it was prior to 1934.



You do realize that right after the Heller decision was announced they began working on lawsuits in Ca and around Chicago right?


Link Posted: 1/18/2009 2:06:54 PM EDT
[#22]
Quoted:
So what is the NRA going to do about it except ask for more money and mail out more junk?  If the NRA was actually leading a charge to repeal anti-gun laws instead of waiting to only defend/compromise to the attacks from anti-gun groups, then I'd rejoin the organization.  

The NRA should be using the Heller decision to mount a full scale national campaign to restore the 2nd to what it was prior to 1934
.



+1
Link Posted: 1/18/2009 2:12:40 PM EDT
[#23]
Oops!
Link Posted: 1/18/2009 2:26:19 PM EDT
[#24]
Quoted:
Quoted:
So what is the NRA going to do about it except ask for more money and mail out more junk?  If the NRA was actually leading a charge to repeal anti-gun laws instead of waiting to only defend/compromise to the attacks from anti-gun groups, then I'd rejoin the organization.  

The NRA should be using the Heller decision to mount a full scale national campaign to restore the 2nd to what it was prior to 1934.



You do realize that right after the Heller decision was announced they began working on lawsuits in Ca and around Chicago right?





No, I got off of their junk mail list.  You do realize that the NRA tried to prevent Heller from even going to the USSC, right?

So, what are the NRA's plans to restore the 2nd to pre 1934 status?  Does the NRA have a 2, 5, 10, 20, 50 year plan to restore my rights?  If they can't articulate how they plan to WIN all of the marbles, then they can't have my money.  I'm tired of buying losing stocks.  I paid dues for over 20 years and watched the NRA bend me over as they reached out to compromise away my rights, aka death by a thousand cuts.  I'm OK with VICTORY by a thousand cuts, but show me a plan.
Link Posted: 1/18/2009 2:31:57 PM EDT
[#25]
Obama will do whatever the people that bought him his office tells him to do.
His office had to be bought, there's not that many stooped people in america to elect him.
Link Posted: 1/18/2009 2:37:06 PM EDT
[#26]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Obama might be a lot of things, but stupid isn't one of them.


Oh Yeah , Check out his record on the second amendment while he was in IL which by the way has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country..

When will some of you idiots wake up and realise he is nofriend to the second amendment.

I mean are you gonna believe it after they pass a new AWB or are some of you still going to be making excuses for him.


It'a a lot like the chicago cubs way of thinking , There is always next year. Some people wont buy it til the feds are knocking on the door to pick up the guns
Give me a break for fucks sake. You probably think John Kerry is an avid goose hunter too , Right???



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