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Posted: 10/22/2008 5:48:54 AM EDT
[#1]
So?
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Posted: 10/22/2008 5:49:04 AM EDT
[#2]
First I heard of this.
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Posted: 10/22/2008 5:49:43 AM EDT
[#3]
The ATF can make their own laws, didn't you know that?
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Posted: 10/22/2008 5:50:55 AM EDT
[#4]
WHAT THE FUCK!?
I guess I have to only buy lowers FTF 
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Posted: 10/22/2008 5:51:18 AM EDT
[#5]
I wonder if it is because they could be made into pistols as well as rifles?
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Posted: 10/22/2008 5:51:40 AM EDT
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Makes sense, in a .gov way, since the receiver can be made into a pistol. If you buy a lower receiver with a stock attached that makes it a rifle. Does it still fall into this category? More regulations bring more questions.
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Posted: 10/22/2008 5:52:19 AM EDT
[#7]
Guess I'll just have my dad buy it.
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Posted: 10/22/2008 5:53:17 AM EDT
[#8]
It is because they are a firearm OTHER than a rifle or a shotgun. Furthermore, the frame connot be transferred EVEN IF it can ONLY be made into a rifle or shotgun - which probably means lowers that had buttstocks attached still may not be transfered. Hooray America! |
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Posted: 10/22/2008 5:53:20 AM EDT
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keyword stripped, if there is a stock attatched that makes it a rifle.
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Posted: 10/22/2008 5:53:33 AM EDT
[#10]
Why, they can't buy a rifle, and then make it into a pistol? 
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Posted: 10/22/2008 5:53:37 AM EDT
[#11]
It's not in effect yet is it?
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Posted: 10/22/2008 5:53:39 AM EDT
[#12]
Correct. |
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Posted: 10/22/2008 5:53:49 AM EDT
[#13]
^^^^^
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Posted: 10/22/2008 5:53:59 AM EDT
[#14]
That throws the whole rifle/pistol thing out the window concerning builds... This will bite BATFE in the butt.
Mike |
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Posted: 10/22/2008 5:54:21 AM EDT
[#15]
Incorrect. |
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Posted: 10/22/2008 5:54:40 AM EDT
[#16]
The reading is actually correct. They state only a rifle or shotgun can be sold to someone 18-21 and a lower is neither.
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Posted: 10/22/2008 5:55:16 AM EDT
[#17]
Repeated for clarity. |
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Posted: 10/22/2008 5:57:18 AM EDT
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15 Nov IIRC I wonder if multiple lower purchases will require the same paperwork as multiple pistol purchases now? |
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Posted: 10/22/2008 5:57:40 AM EDT
[#19]
Interesting.
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Posted: 10/22/2008 5:59:38 AM EDT
[#20]
That shouldn't matter. As a 19 year old, I am allowed to manufacture a handgun in this state. God damn it
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Posted: 10/22/2008 6:00:04 AM EDT
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Have you read the new yellow 4473? You might wanna take a gander at it. Since a lower receiver is now classified as "OTHER" on the form, and only a shotgun or rifle (which "OTHER" is neither) can be sold to 18-20 year olds.... Other changes on new 4473.... 5 lines for firearms. It also states in instructions that if more than 5 are sold in a single transaction, attach a separate piece of paper with the same information (mfr, sn, caliber, etc) as the ones on the 5 lines. No separate 4473 needed for more guns purchased than the form has lines. Also, FFL required to write out the number of firearms transferred (one, two, three, etc, with no numerals to be used). No more YES or NO written on the first page (now has check boxes). FFLs now only required to put 1st 3 and last 5 numbers of FFL on the form at the bottom (had to put whole number before). No more "BOTH" option. Now if you sell a handgun and a rifle, you check both boxes. That's all I can think off the top of my head... Woody |
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Posted: 10/22/2008 6:04:40 AM EDT
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Ten years in Federal pound me in the ass prison. Turning a rifle into a pistol actually makes it a short barrel rifle, analogous to a sawed-off shotgun. You need a class 3 tax stamp to possess a SBR. No, it doesn't make sense. |
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Posted: 10/22/2008 6:08:27 AM EDT
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Right, it states 21 to buy a frame/receiver. It also states no multiple disposition report even if it's to be made into a pistol.
By this logic, it seems a frame would no longer be considered the quintessential firearm. But I think what they a doing is introducing another class of weapon. Now in addition to long and handguns, we now have the third definition of "receiver/frame" to contend with. But I have no idea where the BATFE is going with this. ETA: 10 points for using "quintessential" in a post. |
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Posted: 10/22/2008 6:11:13 AM EDT
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No need to be rude with the , friend. You are applying logic to a .gov decision. That's bad juju. Just take the most illogical thing that comes to mind and that's what the .gov will decide to do. Since they added a "other" category to the form, and "other" is not a longgun or a handgun, they use the most strict requirement already in place. Now, if ya like tinfoil, it's their way to make more criminals-by-technicality. 
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Posted: 10/22/2008 6:13:48 AM EDT
[#25]
STRAW PURCHASE!!!!! STRAW PURCHASE!!!!!! 
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Posted: 10/22/2008 6:17:03 AM EDT
[#26]
from a FFL dealer that is correct. F2F its all out the window
not if its a "bona-fied gift" |
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Posted: 10/22/2008 6:21:36 AM EDT
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reciever flats (aks and hks) they are technically not a reciever till they are rolled/formed. maybe they are going to start regulating them more
idk just a thought. |
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Posted: 10/22/2008 6:22:56 AM EDT
[#28]
When I got my stripped lower, the ffl ask if it was for rifle or pistol and marked the 4473 as so. So far as .gov was concerned I bought an ar15, not a lower.
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Posted: 10/22/2008 8:13:58 AM EDT
[#29]
We have the new yellow forms, so it is in effect now since I began using them yesterday and can't just do a white form to allow someone to slip in before Nov 15.
You would have to find a dealer who has not begun using the new form yet. |
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Posted: 10/22/2008 8:24:56 AM EDT
[#30]
FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK.
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Posted: 10/22/2008 8:26:06 AM EDT
[#31]
Yep, besides CT is small, probobly could find a FTF seller around here. |
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Posted: 10/22/2008 8:27:16 AM EDT
[#32]
fu*k sticks
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Posted: 10/22/2008 8:27:45 AM EDT
[#33]
Oh relax! its going to be ok, i promise... |
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Posted: 10/22/2008 8:29:18 AM EDT
[#34]
gay, is it already in effect?
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Posted: 10/22/2008 8:33:41 AM EDT
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I'm not sure if this law is in all states,
but to own a handgun, you have to be 21. A stripped receiver can be made into a pistol... hence the reason why under 21 are not allowed to have one... I'm thinking that it should be waiver IF the receiver is listed at a rifle. It's not hard to convert a rifle into a pistol. Just change out the upper, take off the stock, mod the buffer tube and spring, and that's practically it... you have a AR15 pistol. |
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Posted: 10/22/2008 8:40:18 AM EDT
[#36]
I thought you couldn't convert a rifle into a pistol. |
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Posted: 10/22/2008 8:40:36 AM EDT
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Federal law is 18 to own a handgun. Only dealers are restricted to 21 and up. just another silly law
It doesnt matter what the lower is "listed" as. The point is that it is neither a rifle or pistol which is where this new category comes into play
Yes but then it is a short barreled rifle not a pistol.
Correct, you could not do it without paying the BATF 200 bucks for a sbr. |
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Posted: 10/22/2008 8:42:09 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/22/2008 8:48:29 AM EDT
[#39]
No, I didn't do it. I have a RRA AR15 Rifle and a OA93 Pistol... all are properly listed in their respective categories. |
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Posted: 10/22/2008 8:51:44 AM EDT
[#40]
Fuck the ATF.
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Posted: 10/22/2008 8:55:19 AM EDT
[#41]
Is there a statute that created this "other" category, or a statute authorizing ATF to create this "other" category, or a statute governing who can purchase this new and magical "other?"
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Posted: 10/22/2008 9:00:40 AM EDT
[#42]
The wasn't at you, it was at the law being proposed. If someone is hell bent on acquiring a certain weapon, another law isn't going to stop them. But we all knew that.
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Posted: 10/22/2008 9:00:43 AM EDT
[#43]
BS, cant you designate it as a rifle lower like the older one?
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Posted: 10/22/2008 9:04:24 AM EDT
[#44]
It's okay guys. The current administration will reign in the
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Posted: 10/22/2008 9:04:26 AM EDT
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Yes, it was created in 1968. As usual, it is just people not knowing the law, so they clarified it: TITLE 18--CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE PART I--CRIMES CHAPTER 44--FIREARMS Sec. 922. Unlawful acts (b) It shall be unlawful for any licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to sell or deliver-- (1) any firearm or ammunition to any individual who the licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe is less than eighteen years of age, and, if the firearm, or ammunition is other than a shotgun or rifle, or ammunition for a shotgun or rifle, to any individual who the licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe is less than twenty-one years of age; TITLE 18--CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE PART I--CRIMES CHAPTER 44--FIREARMS Sec. 921. Definitions (5) The term ``shotgun'' means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of an explosive to fire through a smooth bore either a number of ball shot or a single projectile for each single pull of the trigger. ... (7) The term ``rifle'' means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of an explosive to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger. |
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Posted: 10/22/2008 9:06:26 AM EDT
[#46]
When does a stripped lower become a rifle or pistol?
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Posted: 10/22/2008 9:10:14 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/22/2008 9:12:48 AM EDT
[#48]
My thoughts exactly |
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Posted: 10/22/2008 9:17:27 AM EDT
[#49]
Good catch, AllService. Thanks.
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Posted: 10/22/2008 9:23:58 AM EDT
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It appears that I incorrectly assumed that the ATF website would have the most up-to-date form on it. Apparently, I was wrong. I ammended my post to delete my reservations. At any rate, thanks for the info. I do wonder about the date of enaction. Is it effective immediately and they just haven't updated their site? Or is there a phase-in period where certain youths would behoove themselves to pony up $100 and buy a few receivers? |
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