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Posted: 12/6/2001 12:13:14 PM EDT
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Shitbag...
It was probably one of those assault 10/22s. QS |
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Posted: 12/6/2001 12:15:45 PM EDT
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I believe he used a real automatic weapon about as much as I believe Chuckie Schumer is looking-out for my best interests. Even the local paper here has a policy of using the word automatic to describe any repeating rifle or handgun, even revolvers and lever actions.z
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Posted: 12/6/2001 12:32:06 PM EDT
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It might as well have been a full auto, it's what every gun ignorant person will think after watching the news. If he used a fintlock it would still be portrayed as one of those evil "assault flintlocks", ya know, the ones that shoot 2 rds per minute. Whoo Hoo!
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Posted: 12/6/2001 12:36:01 PM EDT
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Quoted: It might as well have been a full auto, it's what every gun ignorant person will think after watching the news. If he used a fintlock it would still be portrayed as one of those evil "assault flintlocks", ya know, the ones that shoot 2 rds per minute. Whoo Hoo! BrenLover I believe that would need 3 rounds a minute to qualify. The fully automatic 20-rounds-a-minute Welsh Longbow would fall in this category also... |
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Posted: 12/6/2001 12:44:40 PM EDT
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And those long bows fired AP projectiles that could pierce armor from a couple hundred yards away! Double evil! Today your quiver would only be able to hold 10 arrows unless you had a preban quiver that is. [;)]
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Posted: 12/6/2001 12:47:18 PM EDT
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Quoted: And those long bows fired AP projectiles that could pierce armor from a couple hundred yards away! Double evil! Today your quiver would only be able to hold 10 arrows unless you had a preban quiver that is. [;)] BrenLover Yep, and either horn tips OR forearm protecter, but not both, and overall unstrung length less than 72". Oh, yeah, the post-ban quiver would have to have an orange follower... |
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Posted: 12/6/2001 12:51:30 PM EDT
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Quoted: Oh, yeah, the post-ban quiver would have to have an orange follower... Just curious--what color followers does SteyrAUG have? LOL |
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Posted: 12/6/2001 1:08:03 PM EDT
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'after more than an hour, police had not entered the building'
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Posted: 12/6/2001 1:14:05 PM EDT
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Quoted: Well, here's another nail in our coffin. NBC reporter said he was using a shotgun and "automatic" weapon of unknown type. Why cant these psychos used clubs or ball bats or some shit other than guns???. MAN!! [pissed] BrenLover actually those psychos do use clubs and baseball bats. but thats not news. america has a high homicide rate with such weapons. higher than most other countries. im not a ball lib |
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Posted: 12/6/2001 1:34:28 PM EDT
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I heard on the radio that none of the 35 people shot died. Is this true?
How bad of a lousy shot does a guy have to be to shoot 35 people, whether he had a full-auto or not, and not be able to kill one person. Don't get me wrong. I was not hoping for this idiot to kill anyone, but geez, even with a bolt-action .22 one would expect at least a couple deaths, if not life threatening injuries. Maybe this a-hole proved that automatic weapons are NOT dangerous to society. He'd probably been better off using a baseball bat. [b]ArmaLiter[/b] |
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Posted: 12/6/2001 1:36:53 PM EDT
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Quoted: He'd probably been better off using a baseball bat. [b]ArmaLiter[/b] Or bodkin points (AKA "Knight Killers") on the ammo for the "fully automatic pre-industrial assault longbow"... |
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Posted: 12/6/2001 1:39:14 PM EDT
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Quoted: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I heard on the radio that none of the 35 people shot died. Is this true? How bad of a lousy shot does a guy have to be to shoot 35 people, whether he had a full-auto or not, and not be able to kill one person. Don't get me wrong. I was not hoping for this idiot to kill anyone, but geez, even with a bolt-action .22 one would expect at least a couple deaths, if not life threatening injuries. Maybe this a-hole proved that automatic weapons are NOT dangerous to society. He'd probably been better off using a baseball bat. [b]ArmaLiter[/b] I heard Sarah Brady was down there today... "He's not dead yet.." She wanted to make an example of 'assault weapons'... "When suddenly he felt as if he was about to recover, he felt the icy cold hand of death upon him!" |
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Posted: 12/6/2001 1:44:57 PM EDT
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So much for police being the fix-all protectors. The factory called the police about the threat the gunman made that he'd come back and shoot them. Police said they couldn't really do anything. Then he actually came back. The shepherd can't always protect the sheep.
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Posted: 12/6/2001 1:51:42 PM EDT
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The police have no duty to protect people from crime. Their only duty is to fill out accurate reports.
OTOH - The company DOES have the duty to protect it's employees. Hint Hint, if you own a business, get a shotgun to protect your employees. We do, and we had to deploy it once. |
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Posted: 12/6/2001 2:00:37 PM EDT
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Quoted: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I heard on the radio that none of the 35 people shot died. Is this true? [b]ArmaLiter[/b] Apparently, now it is being reported that at least 1 is dead. I told you, Sarah Brady is down there stuffing the wounded. |
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Posted: 12/6/2001 2:14:41 PM EDT
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The arrows must not have "fletch hiders" only "shaft brakes" and only on one arrow must fly with each pull of the string.(post ban)
BP |
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Posted: 12/6/2001 2:15:56 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I heard on the radio that none of the 35 people shot died. Is this true? [b]ArmaLiter[/b] Apparently, now it is being reported that at least 1 is dead. I told you, Sarah Brady is down there stuffing the wounded. Sorry to hear that someone did die. But that is still a remarkably low number for Sarah Brady to yap about. Maybe someone should tell her that there was more deaths by traffic accidents alone in the last 24 hours than there has been gun deaths in the last year. [b]ArmaLiter[/b] |
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Posted: 12/6/2001 2:22:36 PM EDT
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Pre- 17(68) Bows bring the biggest premium as well as catapaults (sp?) that can throw more than 10 stones in a single throw. Really though, we should keep a "death clock" that keeps count of all types of dealths as the year goes so all can see how few people really die due to guns.
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Posted: 12/6/2001 2:29:02 PM EDT
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Quoted: Pre- 17(68) Bows bring the biggest premium as well as catapaults (sp?) that can throw more than 10 stones in a single throw. Really though, we should keep a "death clock" that keeps count of all types of dealths as the year goes so all can see how few people really die due to guns. BrenLover Do we get to catagorize each non-gun death in several headings, thereby artificially inflating the total numbers??? And yes, the ultimate stone-thrower, the trebuchet, is most certainly pre-ban. Fletch hiders and shaft brakes, LOL!!! |
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Posted: 12/6/2001 2:32:02 PM EDT
[#20]
And the Knight's name
[size=3]Black Talon[/size=3] [%(] |
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Posted: 12/6/2001 2:37:49 PM EDT
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Quoted: The police have no duty to protect people from crime. Their only duty is to fill out accurate reports. I know about this, but can anyone give me a link of the actual court case which says this? |
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Posted: 12/6/2001 2:38:46 PM EDT
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I hate that they ALWAYS demonize the damn firearm. All the sheeple are getting brainwashed by our countries lame media empires. Hell they are the largest contributors to gun violence in our culture with all their total crap programming.
Absolute and total hypocrisy |
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Posted: 12/6/2001 4:14:10 PM EDT
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Sure we can fudge the numbers... its all in good play. If they can we can.
BrenLover |
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Posted: 12/6/2001 4:25:02 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: The police have no duty to protect people from crime. Their only duty is to fill out accurate reports. I know about this, but can anyone give me a link of the actual court case which says this? There are several cases that pertain, Warren v. District of Columbia being the most notable. Deshaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services, Balistreri v. Pacifica Police Department, and others all support this. I have a couple of word documents which analyze these decisions if anyone is interested. |
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Posted: 12/6/2001 4:55:28 PM EDT
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I had a roommate in college that was a journalism major. He had a book that defined the usage of words when writing a story. I flipped through it and I know that the following terms shotgun, pistol, revolver, and automatic were defined. If these reporters would do some homework they may get their facts straight.
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Posted: 12/6/2001 4:58:50 PM EDT
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GOSHEN, Ind. (AP) - A man opened fire Thursday at the simulated-wood factory where he worked, killing a co-worker and wounding several others before committing suicide, authorities said. State Police officials said one person was slain inside Nu-Wood Decorative Millwork factory. A SWAT team later found the gunman with an apparently self-inflicted gunshot wound. ``He was dead when they found him,'' Sheriff's Capt. Julie Dijkstra said. Authorities said five people were treated for gunshot wounds, but their conditions weren't immediately known. Earlier, the mayor and hospital administrators said they feared 30 to 35 people had been shot. Workers told authorities an [b]automatic weapon[/b] was used and some injuries appeared to be shotgun wounds. The shooting jolted this northern Indiana community. An elementary school kept students inside and Goshen College, a small school run by Mennonites, also told its students and faculty to stay indoors. Police and SWAT teams surrounded the factory and cordoned off the area. Twelve nearby plants were evacuated, and at least a dozen ambulances lined up near the complex in an industrial park on the edge of town. ``The place is smothered in cops,'' said Chris Barouska, a parts manager at a neighboring Ingersoll-Rand factory. ``Completely surrounded.'' By late afternoon, people could be seen leaving the building with their hands on their heads and rescue crews removed people on stretchers. Goshen, a community of 29,000 people, is about 100 miles east of Chicago. Nu-Wood makes a polyurethane-based product that resembles white pine and is used as decorative trimming by homebuilders and remodelers. Goshen High School Principal Ted Mahnensmith said the sheriff's department asked to use the school's parking lot for gathering families. Herb Stein, a Nu-Wood manufacturer's representative who works out of his home in Dayton, Ohio, said there were more than 60 employees at the factory. ``It's not like an assembly line situation,'' he said. Everyone knows each other, and everyone intermixes with each other.'' Randy Zelman, who sells Nu-Wood products to wholesalers that supply builders and developers, said he heard about the shooting as he drove home to Columbus, Ohio. ``I'm all shook up. I'm concerned for the people because they treat me like family,'' Zelman said in a telephone interview from a Dayton gas station. |
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Posted: 12/6/2001 5:13:00 PM EDT
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At least the SOB saved us some court costs by offing himself. Glad only one died, but still ANOTHER huge setback for us. One step ahead, two steps back...
BrenLover |
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Posted: 12/6/2001 6:31:41 PM EDT
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The police have no duty to protect people from crime.
Indiana's legislature has declared that governmental entities and their employees cannot be held liable for negligence in the performance of a discretionary function. The government also cannot be held liable for negligently failing to enforce the law. Indiana Code Ann. Sec.34-13-3-3(6) Indiana Code Ann. Sec 34-4-16.5-3(6) Indiana Code Ann. Sec 34-13-3-3(7) In other words... To serve and protect at our descretion. Your tax dollars at work. |
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Posted: 12/6/2001 6:34:59 PM EDT
[#29]
What an automatic knife?
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Posted: 12/6/2001 6:37:43 PM EDT
[#30]
so where do I get information on these court cases as you mentioned that sets precedent for freeing the police from responsibility to serve and protect? I would seriously like to see them.
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Posted: 12/6/2001 6:42:48 PM EDT
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Quoted: so where do I get information on these court cases as you mentioned that sets precedent for freeing the police from responsibility to serve and protect? I would seriously like to see them. As stated before, I have a couple of Word documents that explain all of the relevant decisions. If someone wants to provide a place, I can post them and people can dowload them freely. |
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Posted: 12/6/2001 6:43:47 PM EDT
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So it turns out that their were 6 people shot, one with a shotgun. Perhaps others. Way to go F(*K HEAD. EVERY TIME THEY Do THIS BULLSHIT WE ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE TO TAKE THEIR PUNISHMENT. WITH EVERY DAMN LAW THAT GETS PASSED BY LIBERALS THAT TAKE AWAY OUR GUN RIGHTS. WE ARE THE ONES WHO GET HELD IN A PRISON OF SORTS FOR THESE STUPID FUCKS ACTIONS. THEY KILL AND LAW ABIDING PEOPLE ARE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.
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Posted: 12/6/2001 6:50:29 PM EDT
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Quoted:As stated before, I have a couple of Word documents that explain all of the relevant decisions. If someone wants to provide a place, I can post them and people can dowload them freely. Send them to me. I can put them up. My email is the letter icon above. |
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Posted: 12/6/2001 6:55:29 PM EDT
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sent
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Posted: 12/6/2001 7:33:27 PM EDT
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One gun too many, or one gun short? If just one of those co-workers had a CCW, things may have been different. I don't know what the companies policy is on firearms, but if they restrict carrying, then they should carry the burden of protecting the employees. Simple
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Posted: 12/7/2001 8:45:53 PM EDT
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Here are the docs SomeGuyInAHat sent me:
[url]http://www.matthewbutch/download/policenoduty.doc[/url] and [url]http://www.matthewbutch/download/rightpoliceprotect.doc[/url] |
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Posted: 12/7/2001 9:22:49 PM EDT
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While we are talking pre-ban quivers, does anyone know the best place to buy them and also I would hope for a good price.
I have seen them for over the shoulder mount and also waist band mount at the bow shows. Not sure which I prefer. Any thoughts on this out there? [stick] |
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Posted: 12/8/2001 4:08:30 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: The police have no duty to protect people from crime. Their only duty is to fill out accurate reports. I know about this, but can anyone give me a link of the actual court case which says this? Find a book titled "Dial 911 and die" I have it and may start a mail around with it. Its scary!Not only do they NOT have an obligation to come and save your ass but you cant do anything about it legally! |
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Posted: 12/8/2001 5:52:33 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: The police have no duty to protect people from crime. Their only duty is to fill out accurate reports. I know about this, but can anyone give me a link of the actual court case which says this? No links, but here are some court decisions over the past 100 years or so on this topic. Any good large public library should have them on file or availabity thereof through interlibrary loan. It has been determined time and time again, the police have no legal responsibility to protect any individual: Bowers v. DeVito, U.S. Court of Appeals, Seventh Circuit, 686F.2d 616 (1882) Riss v. City of New York, 293 N.Y. 2d 897 (1968) Keane v. City of Chicago, 98 Ill App 2d 460 (1968) Hartzler v. City of San Jose, App., 120 Cal. Rptr 5 (1975) Reiff v. City of Philadelphia, 477F. Supp. 1262 (E.D.Pa. 1979) Warren v. District of Columbia, D.C. App., 444 A.2d 1 (1981) Morgan v. District of Columbia, 468 A2d 1306 (D.C. App. 1983) Lynch v. N.C. Dept. of Justice, 376 S.E. 2nd 247 (N.C. App. 1989) Marshall v. Winston, 389 S.E. 2nd 902 (Va. 1990) Calogrides v. City of Mobile, 475 So. 2d 560 (S.Ct. Ala. 1985) Morris v. Musser, 478 A.2d 937 (1984) Davidson v. City of Westminster, 32 C.3d 197,185 Cal. Rptr. 252,649 P.2d 894 (S.Ct. Cal. 1982) Chapman v. City of Philadelphia, 434 A.2d 753 (Sup. Ct. Penn. 1981) A typical quote: "Law enforcement agencies and personnel have no duty to protect individuals from the criminal acts of others; instead their duty is to preserve the peace and arrest law breakers for the protection of the general public." (Lynch v. NC Dept. Justice) ------------------------------------ |
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