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Posted: 9/30/2001 4:19:28 PM EDT
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Personally, I'm really disappointed with the behavior of the moderators on this board. In fact, the problem seems to be that we have too many and they lack the experience and maturity to moderate. On AR15.com, moderator status is not awarded to those who have the common sense to moderate, but rather as a little reward to people who neither have the skills or experience to perform the job.
I've seen them regularly censor line by line, word by word, and many times it's not "hate speech" or pornography, but merely topics they disagree with. So instead of engaging in intelligent discussion, they show their disapproval by locking or censoring. In my recent post www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=56507 I intentionally put in that little blurb at the end as a troll to see what would happen, and sure enough, Sweep took the bait, hook, line, and sinker. I had a feeling that any criticism of the moderators would cause an quick reprisal. And I was right. So Goatboy - why don't you reign in these "slash & burn" moderators and appoint those who are actually capable of moderating in an even handed manner, instead to the iron fisted bunch you have in place now. |
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Posted: 9/30/2001 4:22:13 PM EDT
[#2]
ditto.
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Posted: 9/30/2001 4:28:52 PM EDT
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At least there isn't an Ex-Army Tanker.....Treadhead Ted (LOL) with an itchy move topic, lock finger.
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Posted: 9/30/2001 4:33:53 PM EDT
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We already discussed this: to refresh your memory:
Quoted: Quoted:Personally, I'm really disappointed with the behavior of the moderators on this board. In fact, the problem seems to be that we have too many and they lack the experience and maturity to moderate. On AR15.com, moderator status is not awarded to those who have the common sense to moderate, but rather as a little reward to people who neither have the skills or experience to perform the job. You can have any opinion you want. I've seen them regularly censor line by line, word by word, and many times it's not "hate speech" or pornography, but merely topics they disagree with. So instead of engaging in intelligent discussion, they show their disapproval by locking or censoring. I can't speak for other mods, but I do NOT do that. that would most certainly be abuse of power, and you are right to dislike that. In my recent post [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=56507[/url] I intentionally put in that little blurb at the end as a troll to see what would happen, and sure enough, Sweep took the bait, hook, line, and sinker. I had a feeling that any criticism of the moderators would cause an quick reprisal. And I was right. When you post here, you agree to the forum conduct code. Check #6 under there: --- (added by goatboy - 07/07/2001) 6) Pure trolling. Either to piss someone off or simply for your personal enjoyment. If you're here to cause trouble, it will be a very short stay. --- That kind of stuff will not be tolerated. So Goatboy - why don't you reign in these "slash & burn" moderators and appoint those who are actually capable of moderating in an even handed manner, instead to the iron fisted bunch you have in place now. I have yet to see any iron fisted tactics. But you might want to check the Forum conduct code, specifically #7: bashing of mods will not be tolerated. If you have a grievance, please feel free to contact the offending mod. |
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Posted: 9/30/2001 4:35:24 PM EDT
[#5]
hey liberty of 76,
how old are you kiddo? |
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Posted: 9/30/2001 4:36:58 PM EDT
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Quoted:hey liberty of 76, how old are you kiddo? 20 |
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Posted: 9/30/2001 4:39:41 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted:hey liberty of 76, how old are you kiddo? 20 Oh brother, not even old enough to purchase weapons....scary that a child would have such a big ego. |
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Posted: 9/30/2001 4:40:26 PM EDT
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Fully agree with the initial premise of this thread. My 2 cents and I discussed this in brief fashion last night with Goatboy over on AK-47.net.
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Posted: 9/30/2001 4:41:11 PM EDT
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Quoted: In my recent post www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=56507 I intentionally put in that little blurb at the end [red]as a troll[/red] to see what would happen, and sure enough, Sweep took the bait, hook, line, and sinker. I had a feeling that any criticism of the moderators would cause an quick reprisal. And I was right. ...and we should do what with a troll? |
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Posted: 9/30/2001 4:42:59 PM EDT
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Smeghead, his age has nothing to do with this. So far his only fault that I have with him is his defense of other Mods, only on the basis of their status as Mods. I have been personally insulted in the chat room by mods but have not taken it personally. But when the shoe is on the other foot it seems we do not get the benefit of the doubt.
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Posted: 9/30/2001 4:43:12 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted:hey liberty of 76, how old are you kiddo? 20 Oh brother, not even old enough to purchase weapons....scary that a child would have such a big ego. AAAHHEEEMMM, I dont let my kids tell me whats what and I sure aint gonna start now !!! |
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Posted: 9/30/2001 4:44:58 PM EDT
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I don't think age really has anyhting to do with it. I want to know who is going to be a mod though, so post count definetly matters. We just have too many mods on this board who don't do much to add to the quality of life here on the GD board.
2-3 mods is all we really need. Frankly I think we also should have some input into who becomes a mod because it looks more like a popularity contest than anything else to me. There should be votes for mods, not appointments, especially since their behavior directly affects us. If we were able to vote for our mods we would have a lot less to bitch about because they would be our problem. "Do what you will, but enough of the clique shit." |
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Posted: 9/30/2001 4:54:05 PM EDT
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BTW can i be moderator. Is 29 old enough for you fellas? i would enforce party doctrine in such a manor that chairman Mao would surely approve. [:X*] hail ming |
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Posted: 9/30/2001 4:56:37 PM EDT
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Before anyone is given the job of moderating it is discussed between staff and existing mods first. It isn't a popularity contest. Some people are recommended based on an existing mod or staff members personal experience with that person. As for post count being a selection tool. I can run up my post count by BTTing threads all night. Does that make me an informed,impartial,knowledgeable person?
No. Does posting informative,non-biased or derogatory threads based on subjects of interest help? Yes. Does maintaining a level head when verbally attacked or bashed by other members help? Yes Does being able to express your opinion of a subject without insulting,belittling,bashing or swearing at a member with a different opinion help? Yes. Hope this helps. |
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Posted: 9/30/2001 5:07:57 PM EDT
[#15]
Then why was the other "moderator thread" [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=56536[/url] totally deleted?
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Posted: 9/30/2001 5:09:02 PM EDT
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Quoted: We also have mods who appear to take out there personal problems with certain posters at every oppurtunity (ahem, ARLady). got a little something caught in your throat there? not exactly sure what you're referring to as my "personal problems". if you mean my little go 'round with blondie, you're way off base. i was just having a little fun feeding the trolls. it's been such a long time since i've done that. just for old time's sake, ya know... i have only 2 issues with her. the first being that i have very little respect for women who have to flaunt their sexuality because they have nothing else to bring to the table. and i was really getting irked at her behavior and attitude towards gun ownership: ignorant (with no real intent on changing it) and apparent irresponsibility. i have no personal problems with her. hell, i don't even know her. and i don't really have any other personal problems to speak of that seem to be pervading my life such that i am always bringing them to this board and spreading them around for all to share. if you'd be so kind as to back up your statement with some evidence of some sort, i'll be glad to eat my words. otherwise, zip it. and finally, this is not your house. if you don't like the rules, you are free to visit someone else's house. however, if you choose to stay here, you will abide by the rules or suffer the consequences. |
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Posted: 9/30/2001 5:09:49 PM EDT
[#17]
I would be willing to bet raf deleted it himself. He was talking about it in the last post he made.
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Posted: 9/30/2001 5:10:22 PM EDT
[#18]
Are you talking about my moderator thread? I deleted it myself.
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Posted: 9/30/2001 5:11:41 PM EDT
[#19]
Quoted: Quoted: We also have mods who appear to take out there personal problems with certain posters at every oppurtunity (ahem, ARLady). got a little something caught in your throat there? not exactly sure what you're referring to as my "personal problems". if you mean my little go 'round with blondie, you're way off base. i was just having a little fun feeding the trolls. it's been such a long time since i've done that. just for old time's sake, ya know... i have only 2 issues with her. the first being that i have very little respect for women who have to flaunt their sexuality because they have nothing else to bring to the table. and i was really getting irked at her behavior and attitude towards gun ownership: ignorant (with no real intent on changing it) and apparent irresponsibility. i have no personal problems with her. hell, i don't even know her. and i don't really have any other personal problems to speak of that seem to be pervading my life such that i am always bringing them to this board and spreading them around for all to share. if you'd be so kind as to back up your statement with some evidence of some sort, i'll be glad to eat my words. otherwise, zip it. and finally, this is not your house. if you don't like the rules, you are free to visit someone else's house. however, if you choose to stay here, you will abide by the rules or suffer the consequences. Love to but as the other mod stated,"mods can change the rules as they see fit", so kinda hard to obey rules that haven't been made up yet. |
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Posted: 9/30/2001 5:16:04 PM EDT
[#20]
Quoted:Oh brother, not even old enough to purchase weapons....scary that a child would have such a big ego. Not old enough to purchase weapons? Hmmm, then how did I get that AR15 over by the wall there, huh? My gun dealer didn't care either. Hmmm... Child? I have to disagree with that assessment. |
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Posted: 9/30/2001 5:19:40 PM EDT
[#21]
Quoted: In my recent post [url]www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=56507[/url] I intentionally put in that little blurb at the end as a troll to see what would happen, and sure enough, Sweep took the bait, hook, line, and sinker. I had a feeling that any criticism of the moderators would cause an quick reprisal. And I was right. So, you are disappointed because when you challenge authority in a disrespectful, confrontational, insulting manner, that very same authority is exercised? I bet that you get disappointed quite a bit. That post was a good one, funny, until that last line, which shot the humor all to hell. |
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Posted: 9/30/2001 5:20:38 PM EDT
[#22]
Quoted:Love to but as the other mod stated,"mods can change the rules as they see fit", so kinda hard to obey rules that haven't been made up yet. Yes, we can change the rules, but it happens rarely. And of course GB has the final say in anything that we change. But I would think that any rule change would be made know way before it was enforced. At least that's the way I'm handling my rule change. |
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Posted: 9/30/2001 5:20:43 PM EDT
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Way to many Moderators---hell we have over 7 in GD alone. Age is important because it denotes maturity, those that think otherwise are still kids themselves. I have always been very supportive of the mods before, but lately things have really got out of hand.
Sure do miss Ed Sr. sgtar15 |
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Posted: 9/30/2001 5:21:34 PM EDT
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Quoted: [red] i have only 2 issues with her. the first being that i have very little respect for women who have to flaunt their sexuality because they have nothing else to bring to the table. and i was really getting irked at her behavior and attitude towards gun ownership: ignorant (with no real intent on changing it) and apparent irresponsibility.[/red] [blue]i have no personal problems with her. hell, i don't even know her. [/blue] and i don't really have any other personal problems to speak of that seem to be pervading my life such that i am always bringing them to this board and spreading them around for all to share. if you'd be so kind as to back up your statement with some evidence of some sort, i'll be glad to eat my words. otherwise, zip it. and finally, this is not your house. if you don't like the rules, you are free to visit someone else's house. however, if you choose to stay here, you will abide by the rules or suffer the consequences. Aren't these two statements contradictory??? |
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Posted: 9/30/2001 5:23:41 PM EDT
[#25]
Quoted: Quoted: We also have mods who appear to take out there personal problems with certain posters at every oppurtunity (ahem, ARLady). got a little something caught in your throat there? not exactly sure what you're referring to as my "personal problems". if you mean my little go 'round with blondie, you're way off base. i was just having a little fun feeding the trolls. it's been such a long time since i've done that. just for old time's sake, ya know... i have only 2 issues with her. the first being that i have very little respect for women who have to flaunt their sexuality because they have nothing else to bring to the table. and i was really getting irked at her behavior and attitude towards gun ownership: ignorant (with no real intent on changing it) and apparent irresponsibility. i have no personal problems with her. hell, i don't even know her. and i don't really have any other personal problems to speak of that seem to be pervading my life such that i am always bringing them to this board and spreading them around for all to share. if you'd be so kind as to back up your statement with some evidence of some sort, i'll be glad to eat my words. otherwise, zip it. and finally, this is not your house. if you don't like the rules, you are free to visit someone else's house. however, if you choose to stay here, you will abide by the rules or suffer the consequences. Your entire above statement sums it up and provides all the "proof" I need. I treat you with respect (but question your responsibility as a mod, which is allowed) and you return it with pendantic bullshit. So do us a favor, zip it. "Do what you will, just grow up before arguing with an adult." |
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Posted: 9/30/2001 5:25:44 PM EDT
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and YES! like sgtar15,
[size=3]I too miss Ed Avila Sr.[/size=3] He has the wit and maturity which I and a lot of the members here respect and look up to. |
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Posted: 9/30/2001 5:26:41 PM EDT
[#27]
Quoted: Quoted:Oh brother, not even old enough to purchase weapons....scary that a child would have such a big ego. Not old enough to purchase weapons? Hmmm, then how did I get that AR15 over by the wall there, huh? My gun dealer didn't care either. Hmmm... Child? I have to disagree with that assessment. THEN YOU ARE IGNORANT TO THE FACT THAT IT IS ILLEGAL FOR PERSONS UNDER 21 TO POSSESS AND PURCHASE FIREARMS, MAYBE YOU SHOULD LET YOUR MOMMY OR DADDY HOLD ON TO THAT FOR YOU UNTIL YOU ARE OF LEGAL AGE. |
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Posted: 9/30/2001 5:27:15 PM EDT
[#28]
Quoted: Quoted:Oh brother, not even old enough to purchase weapons....scary that a child would have such a big ego. Not old enough to purchase weapons? Hmmm, then how did I get that AR15 over by the wall there, huh? My gun dealer didn't care either. Hmmm... Child? I have to disagree with that assessment. SEE I do got a ar-15 !!! SEE its over by my toy box next to the crib !!! AND I am not a child !!! I'm not, I'm not, I,m not, I'm not !!!! age does matter. |
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Posted: 9/30/2001 5:31:21 PM EDT
[#29]
Quoted:THEN YOU ARE IGNORANT TO THE FACT THAT IT IS ILLEGAL FOR PERSONS UNDER 21 TO POSSESS AND PURCHASE FIREARMS, MAYBE YOU SHOULD LET YOUR MOMMY OR DADDY HOLD ON TO THAT FOR YOU UNTIL YOU ARE OF LEGAL AGE. Uhh, no. It is legal to purchase rifles at teh age of 18, handguns at the age of 21. You are the one who is ignorant. Please check the law if you don't believe me. Edited to add: If any of you don't believe I own an AR15, ask Grin or Anti. They can verify that I did indeed purchase an LEGP. |
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Posted: 9/30/2001 5:37:22 PM EDT
[#30]
Now I have a question. Can I say F*** You to a regular member, but not say F*** You to a moderator?? Can I say this to a moderator:[-!-!-], or will that get my account locked??
I really just want to know. sgtar15 |
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Posted: 9/30/2001 5:37:24 PM EDT
[#31]
WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE? HAS THE SERVER AND MODS SUDDENLY MOVED TO AFGHANISTAN? WHAT'S UP WITH THE LOCKING AND UNLOCKING. MAKES IT SEEM LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE. WHAT IS THE PUNISHMENT OR CONSEQUENCES AGAIN FOR SPEAKING OUR MINDS?
L OF 86, I don't give a flying fart how old you are or what the age to own one is. You're not of enough mental maturity to handle the responsibility of owning a firearm or preaching to those who do. |
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Posted: 9/30/2001 5:38:39 PM EDT
[#32]
Alright everybody, stop throwing insults at the mods our anybody else. This thread has a legitimate purpose and I don't want it to be lost because some people feel the need to have a temper tantrum on my thread.
**(MODS)**As somebody stated before, speak up when you are going to do something. It really pissed me off to have my thread locked with no explanation. I think whoever did it needs to get off the board for a while and cool off. "Do what you will, just stop locking threads that are legitimate." |
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Posted: 9/30/2001 5:39:09 PM EDT
[#33]
Edited to add: If any of you don't believe I own an AR15, ask Grin or Anti. They can verify that I did indeed purchase an LEGP. hah! hah! hah! Spoken like a kid! [b][i]"if you don't believe me, ask my mommy"[/i][/b] grow up kid! |
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Posted: 9/30/2001 5:41:07 PM EDT
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hell kiddo who cares if you got an LEGP? im sure youre proud of that accomplishment. the other guys were goofing on you about your maturity to handle the responsibility of gun ownership (and being a moderator in a roomfull of adults; some of whom have been to actual SHTF situations).
time is the only true teacher, old age and wisdom are the lessons learned. |
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Posted: 9/30/2001 5:41:29 PM EDT
[#35]
Quoted: Edited to add: If any of you don't believe I own an AR15, ask Grin or Anti. They can verify that I did indeed purchase an LEGP. hah! hah! hah! Spoken like a kid! [b][i]"if you don't believe me, ask my mommy"[/i][/b] grow up kid! [size=6]BINGO !!![/size=6] |
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Posted: 9/30/2001 5:41:40 PM EDT
[#36]
I think my question is legit. If I can flip off memebers and treat them with disrespect than I should be able to do the same to mods....why should I have to treat them any different??
sgtar15 |
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Posted: 9/30/2001 5:43:41 PM EDT
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The federal law is 18 long, 21 hand...
my state law is 18 both (so non-FFL sales can be to 18), but then the 18-19-20 YO can't buy ammo for his handgun. My father bought me my first handgun when I was 18 when I got home from boot camp, but then after MOS school I went to the rock for a year, and loved the far east so much I stayed an extra year (I was one of the crazies who even liked korea, and of course thailand rocked)...by the time I was at a stateside base I could have bought one the FFL way anyway ;-) |
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Posted: 9/30/2001 5:44:13 PM EDT
[#38]
Quoted: I think my question is legit. If I can flip off memebers and treat them with disrespect than I should be able to do the same to mods....why should I have to treat them any different?? sgtar15 Obviously, they are too good to be talked down to like that. ZEE CONZEQUENZES FUR SCHPEEKING DE MIND IST EINE HUNDERT LASHES. |
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Posted: 9/30/2001 5:48:29 PM EDT
[#39]
rg00red. I agree with you that your original post was good and asked legitimate questions. However as I posted in another thread..people are taking this thread in a direction other then you intended.
If anyone has a problem with the actions of a mod..e-mail them. Don't try and solve it here as that just adds fuel to the flame and turns the thread into a waste of time. If you and said mod can't resolve your differences then forward the entire content of your e-mails to GB for his opinion. BTW..I locked this thread because it is resolving nothing. |
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Posted: 9/30/2001 5:49:45 PM EDT
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I personally think these type of threads are very healthy; they make us think about moderating and let members air gripes. I started one about two years ago right before I became a mod- it was a doozy.
With that said, I think the subjective nature of [i]voluntary[/i] moderating will always be rife with calls that don't sit well with ppl. However, the alternative is unacceptable. Rigid moderating based on detailed rules of procedure would stifle, not expand, the discussions on this board. I will tell you this, we talk a lot in the mod forum, on the phone, and via email about decisions we make. We're not rogue mods, we work as a team. Unfortunately, we will never please everyone. So far as ArLady, she was not moderating in the BB thread and so I think the comments made about her are irrelevant and misplaced in this thread. When we are not moderating, we're just members. If you have a problem, email a mod with whom the problem exists; we will listen and try and respond reasonably. |
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Posted: 9/30/2001 6:08:50 PM EDT
[#41]
Quoted: Sure do miss Ed Sr. sgtar15 WHAT HE SAID ! [:)] |
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Posted: 9/30/2001 6:11:56 PM EDT
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This is pointless... if you got a gripe... im in CHAT RIGHT NOW...
Did I miss the riddlin confescation? ]=) |
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