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Posted: 9/26/2001 3:11:54 PM EDT
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An AR-15 of any type would be my last choice on an airplane... Gimmie a Sig or a Glock and a PDW and I'd be a happy assed, well prepared, Air Marshall.
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Posted: 9/26/2001 3:45:20 PM EDT
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This is from the FAQ at [url]http://www.safetyslug.com[/url]
I wonder if that's what they were demonstrating... Q: The GLASER Safety Slug was carried by the sky marshals on planes for years, would they be safe on a commercial jetliner ... ? A: The Safety Slug was extensively tested by the sky marshal service during the 70's and 80's. They were convinced that the GLASER had the most effective stopping power at close range, with the least likely hood of structural damage. Glaser is an excellent choice for any situation where there are a large number of people; where the danger of a ricochet hitting someone is great; or when a bullet passing through interior walls is a concern. |
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Posted: 9/26/2001 3:49:03 PM EDT
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Quoted: Now, all the real Marshalls they showed training all had handguns, but I wonder why they did the demo with a 5.56 weapon rather than a .40, 10mm, 9mm or .45?? Do you think some Marshalls going to get AR-15s? Oh my.... My [b]guess[/b] is that it was purely for demonstration purposes -- trying to convey the idea that if a full-auto burst from an assault rifle won't puncture metal, then a few rounds of like ammo from a pistol aren't a danger (unless you're the highjacker). Whether that's even valid reasoning is debatable. But I'm guessing it was done to reassure the masses of the "safety" of Sky Marshalls. |
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Posted: 9/26/2001 3:52:40 PM EDT
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I thought the sky marshalls were supposed to be undercover? how could you carry an AR undercover, esp if they are banning carryons?
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Posted: 9/26/2001 3:59:20 PM EDT
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You'll never see feds using 5.56 weapons on an aircraft in flight no matter what ammo they feed it. Maybe it was a pistol caliber version.
-Dave |
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Posted: 9/26/2001 4:00:18 PM EDT
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I was watching an FAA demostration last night where the guys were practicing retaking an airliner. The agents were undercover, sitting in isle seats, and were all carrying Glocks. There MO was to let the terrorists walk by and then jump up and plug the guy's back full of holes. Works for me.
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Posted: 9/26/2001 4:04:56 PM EDT
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The AR15 demo was probably for show. I don't think it's possible to stuff an AR15 under your suit jacket and not be suspicious. They may be used for other situations like hostages on a grounded plane, or in any place that has sensitive equipment or chemical agents.
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Posted: 9/26/2001 4:39:01 PM EDT
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9mm MP5's would be more efficient. They also have the bad-ass factor going for them.
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Posted: 9/26/2001 4:42:03 PM EDT
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Quoted: I thought the sky marshalls were supposed to be undercover? how could you carry an AR undercover, esp if they are banning carryons? Give them the ultra compact DOE Colt 9mm SMG! Uh Oh! I just created a new category for AR15's! Lawmakers forget about what you read. |
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Posted: 9/26/2001 5:52:01 PM EDT
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Saw the same thing and I think the AR demo was by a manufacturers rep. He made a big deal that the ammo would not leave anything behind but "dust". What he was wiping looked something like
what's left after burning a welding rod. Dust? Glasers would certainly go through the aluminum skin of an airliner, wouldn't they? and you'd have found some copper jackets in the box. |
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Posted: 9/26/2001 6:01:14 PM EDT
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Even is the 5.56mm round didn't penetrate the skin of an airliner, have fun bleeding out of your ears or at least suffering permanent hearing damage. Either case you won't be hearing someone come up from behind you after one shot.
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Posted: 9/26/2001 6:07:04 PM EDT
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Quoted: You'll never see feds using 5.56 weapons on an aircraft in flight no matter what ammo they feed it. Maybe it was a pistol caliber version. -Dave Good thought Dave, this certainly could have been the case. Like most of you all, I too question the practicality of any AR on an airplane. However, I think that if the feds really wanted the AR on the airplane, the AR would get on the airplane. It had a collapsible stock and a short barrel; it could easily go in a carry-on. Penguin |
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Posted: 9/26/2001 10:34:48 PM EDT
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I saw that same piece. If first started with "they'll be using hollow-point bullets that can not penetrate the skin of the aircraft". I don't buy that horseshit for a minute.
Then the showed an AR firing full-auto into a metal box. No holes and there was nothing but dust on the bottom. My guess is that it was some sort of frangible round. |
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Posted: 9/26/2001 10:50:41 PM EDT
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Who cares what kind of damn ammo they use. Either we kill the terrorists or they kill us. This nonsense about shooting the plane down is driving me nuts!
I for one don't want to be hit with a stray Glaser round anywhere. I would rather get hit with a richocheting .45. |
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Posted: 9/26/2001 11:14:33 PM EDT
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Maybe i'm drunk or sumthing but what in the hell are they using full-auto 4 ?The military don't even use full-auto in that style gun!
Burst maybe but not full-auto................ |
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Posted: 9/27/2001 3:15:15 AM EDT
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maybe it was using non letal ammo as the IDF uses sometimes.
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Posted: 9/27/2001 5:17:39 AM EDT
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A couple of issues- is response to being deaf after you shoot someone in a plane, what about dying in a firey crash? which would you rather have?
2. The demo WAS a AR-15 full auto into the STEEL box-unfortunatley, most(all) airplanes are not made out of 1/8" steel. I think the point was that the bullets would fragment on their way through things like: the overhead compartments sound barriers, terrorists, other compartment trimmings before they went through: control lines/hydraulics/ other important stuff. |
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Posted: 9/27/2001 6:18:24 AM EDT
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Quoted: Then the showed an AR firing full-auto into a metal box. No holes and there was nothing but dust on the bottom. My guess is that it was some sort of frangible round. Another [b]guess[/b] here but it may have been something like Longbow ammo. There's a range near me that let's you shoot 5.56mm indoors if you but this particular ammo precisely because it disintigrates on impact with solid surfaces (like the range backstop or, I suppose, a metal box). |
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Posted: 9/27/2001 6:26:19 AM EDT
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Glaser even makes this stuff in 7.62x39 for your "urban assault" AK-47. [:d]
The down side -- it's 75 cents a round. OUCH! [:)] - CD |
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