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Posted: 2/22/2007 11:38:33 AM EDT
[#1]
we'll see about it.
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Posted: 2/22/2007 11:39:02 AM EDT
[#2]
Well his last name is boner. |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 11:42:54 AM EDT
[#3]
Well he IS the House Republican Leader. |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 11:42:57 AM EDT
[#4]
Well, where is the bill on the schedule? When is the committee going to debate on it?
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Posted: 2/22/2007 11:48:53 AM EDT
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If it proves to be true then I'll have yet another "told ya so" on this matter. I think that'll make 4.
So the question is, who is going to get taught a lesson from this last election...the Republican party or us? 
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Posted: 2/22/2007 11:49:02 AM EDT
[#6]
My kingdom for some conservative republicans that truly fight for that agenda. |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 11:51:53 AM EDT
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This is why so many of the "call your rep" threads make me sigh. My US House rep is 100% A+ rated by NRA, and even GOA likes him. Sending emails to reps from other districts on the other hand is almost pointless. The reps require zip code tagging of emails for a reason. It's their job to reflect the views of their constituencies,and most of their constituencies are liberal. If we lose on this bill,it's for a very simple reason: too many of our fellow voters/citizens don't agree with our views on weapons (or other issues),and have elected their representatives accordingly. Change starts with taking your neighbor shooting and convincing him/her of the need for absolute 2nd amendment rights. |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 12:19:09 PM EDT
[#8]
 Get ready for a reaming.
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Posted: 2/22/2007 12:20:43 PM EDT
[#9]
I hope you are not right. |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 12:28:25 PM EDT
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I highly doubt that that is the case. The other issues is likely more true. Then there are the large percentage of people that will vote for somebody just because of their party affiliation. |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 12:33:36 PM EDT
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Well, I sent my congresswoman, Zoe Lofgren, and email asking her to vote NO. On a good day, I suspect her NRA rating might be a D+. BTW, gerrymandering pulled me from a republican to a democrat district. The Democrats heavily gerryrigged California so much that I was wondering what was their problem in Texas. |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 12:36:43 PM EDT
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yeah, but we have a bill of rights *specifically* for keeping the majority from stomping out the minority (as tends to happen in true democracies). the judges in this country who've refused to address "second amendment issues", along with the "reps" who blatantly and illegally draft and pass unconstitutional law, need to be taken to task. |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 12:40:48 PM EDT
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Fuck the Republican Party, Steve. The time to reward spaghetti spined Congress critters with votes is over. We NEED the liberal Dem's to push their agenda at full speed. Then, The People will see them for the socialists they really are and we can fix the problems later, after they are identified. Right now, we just need to stand behind Mr. McConnell 
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Posted: 2/22/2007 12:44:43 PM EDT
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tagged.
I've been spreading the news in my area. Surprisingly, many residents were well aware of it. a big question, according to my gunshop running buddy is "What's the NRA going to do about it?" I explained that the NRA didn't think it was worth worrying about. Not mentioned on their website, haven't read a press release yet... what are they waiting for? |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 12:45:08 PM EDT
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We should start threads in all the hometown forums with contact info for lazy people. Maybe we could get them stickied. We need to make it as easy as possible for everyone to contact all their peeps and keep the pressure up.
This one is actually starting to freak me out a little. I know bans come along all the time, but with 20 other things in up in the air I could see us being sold out very quickly for passes/votes on other things :( |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 12:45:51 PM EDT
[#16]
Not shit. Fricking idiots that didn't vote. 
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Posted: 2/22/2007 12:47:22 PM EDT
[#17]
Nice fucking attitude. How about helping the rest of us who are actively campaigning to bring a halt to this crap instead of sitting around saying "boy, I sure can't wait to say 'I told you so'" and pulling your meat. |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 12:49:46 PM EDT
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Because he's smarter than everyone else. |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 12:52:22 PM EDT
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Damn it stop bashing gun owners on this shit. Iraq and Abandonment of the GOP Base is why the dem's won last year. Give it a rest. Dems ran a bunch of conervatives and they won. GOP abandoned the conservatives and lost. Bitch to the GOP. ARFCOM/Gun Owners/Libertarians did not have the numbers to effect the outcome. Also many of the R's voted out were way more liberal than the D's that replaced them, bad part is this gave the D's control of Congress. Blame the GOP not your brothers in arms. |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 12:53:02 PM EDT
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Think that iit is too early in the game for the NRA to step in. If they come on too strong too early, when it really matters, people will tire when the pressue is needed the most. |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 12:54:44 PM EDT
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If the Republican congressman lay down and do not fight this thing tooth and nail via filibuster and every other tool at their disposal, I will be very pissed.
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Posted: 2/22/2007 12:57:39 PM EDT
[#22]
How about me saying I told you so while trying to do something about it. |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 12:58:02 PM EDT
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How about posting zip codes of democrates in these districts and town names so that we can spam them into thinking that their constituants are the ones writing? Sure it is playing dirty, but ALL politicians are dirt bags and lie cheat steal. They ALL trample the Constitution.
If you are not cheating you are not trying hard enough. People in these districts could help us out. My Rep is NRA and GOA rated A, so no worries there. But we could make more progress if the dems in those areas thought that their people were writting. |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 12:58:24 PM EDT
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I'll be honest. My biggest concern is if something else gets threatened that they'll roll over on this so the Dems can get a minor victory on SOMETHING. Picture if this makes it out of commitee, the Dems pull together enough votes to get it through the house. When it gets to Bush they pull some backroom bullshit and let him know they'll cut his funding in Iraq... How fast do you think he'd sign this shit? He wouldn't be able to sign it fast enough. |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 1:00:10 PM EDT
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Yeah, because pessimism will get us so far. With some of the attitudes around here, it's no wonder that the antis have such an easy time rolling over our rights. |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 1:00:53 PM EDT
[#26]
grow up..... He is on our side |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 1:01:21 PM EDT
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I'm one of the fricking idiots who didn't vote, because I had no real choices. So I guess I could have went in and not cast a full ballot. But then the Dem's would say "UNDER VOTE!!! HE MEANT (D) " pfft |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 1:04:43 PM EDT
[#28]
That is the best idea I have heard in a long time. |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 1:16:49 PM EDT
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No "pessimism" just stating one of the reasons we are in this situation. To ignore that fact means that people might let it happen again. BTW I have sent emails and letters to my Rep and Senators. |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 1:30:37 PM EDT
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Well, I've written my share of letters. I've supported my Republican representatives and I have done all that I could do to prevent the dems from owning both houses of congress. I held my nose and voted for dewine.
In the words of Chief Joseph, I shall fight no more forever. I warned, I worried about the protest vote and its inevitable outcome, and still others screamed RINO get out. They got their wish. If this law passes I'm gonna maximize my profit in the time available, and get a nice double gun.
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Posted: 2/22/2007 1:31:11 PM EDT
[#31]
This deserves a bump. When the House Minority Leader says something is coming down the pike, it is best to pay attention.
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Posted: 2/22/2007 1:34:57 PM EDT
[#32]
Show em didn't we... People were warned. |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 1:37:26 PM EDT
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Does this thing have any sponsors yet? I still don't think the sky is falling just yet. If this thing starts to gain any support, then we can start to worry and mobilize against it.
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Posted: 2/22/2007 1:37:54 PM EDT
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It's a bill of rights that has been changed due to public preference as seen through the decisions of activist judges who are quite willing to alter the constitution's meaning through their decisions. What good is the protection of the 2nd amendment if thge courts who are supposed to protect us don't take it literally? We have no means to take the judges responsible to task. Most of them are lifetime appointees of the same elected politicians whom our liberal neighbors next door elected. I think too many here overestimate the power of 2nd amendment advocates. We don't have the power that counts-mass media attention and propaganda like Hollywood pumps out. We're slowly getting media power via blogging and the net,but it may come into existence too late to save black rifles. |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 1:39:47 PM EDT
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I'll have you know that aside from being a member of the NRA and the GOA I wrote my Senator and my Representitive after this past election to congradulate them on their vicotry and to tell them what I as a voter expected from them in terms of gun rights. But facts are facts. The conservatives sat out this last election in hopes of teaching the Republicans a lesson on border security and gay marriage. Well, now the liberal agenda is steaming a head full throttle and people are mystified and disgusted that this is happening. Leapords don't change their spots. |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 1:45:08 PM EDT
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If you have no real choices, please remember high school civics and consider that even a liberal "R" is better than a "D" because the party with the majority controls the congress in ways that dwarf the impact of any singular legislator. The Womens' activists in favor of abortion figured this out the last election. They had postings on their web pages about how important it was to support even ANTI ABORTION democrats because so long as enough "d" seats were filled, their agenda would be advanced. Its a shame we in the shooting community had too many "teach em a lesson" types to think in terms of global political power issues. This isn't meant to be a criticism of YOU, just that if fucking sucks that I explained this ALL FUCKING SUMMER and there's a lot of people here who still pulled the whole "protest vote" thing. |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 1:48:24 PM EDT
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Whoever you spoke to is on crack! This bill isn't even going to have hearings held let alone pass out of commitee. As for the "leadership", Gun issues aren't even on their radar. Even IF there WAS political pressure at this time to pursue anti-gun legislation in congress right now, it would take YEARS to get such a bill anywhere close to the floor for a vote and only then as part of some kind of omnibus umbrella which doesn't exist right now. If anyone doubts what I am saying, do some research on the timeline of the 94 ban. Everyone just needs to CALM DOWN! |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 1:49:00 PM EDT
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Many of these key elections were decided by a few hunrded votes, and most of the Republicans who lost their seats were staunch pro-gun advocates. Yes, we got rid of Lincoln Chaffeme and Mike DeWiner but we also lost some of our close allies. As for these freshmen democrats being conservatives, well we'll see about that. These people are in the major leagues now and they aren't going to want to give that up. Both of the major parties cow freshmen representitives into doing what the party wants by threatening to pull support for them at election time. These dems say that they're pro-gun, but we'll see just how adverse they are to banning "assault weapons" when the Majority Whip is telling them that if they cross the party on this issue then they're on their own in 2008. No appearances from big name fund raisers, no party contributions to their election campaigns, no help from the leadership. People said "the dems remember 1994", people said that they wouldn't back gun control until they had the White House, people said that the pro-gun dems would hold the line on these issues. Well, here we are less than two months into the current session with 7 major gun control bills before the congress and a chairman of the Judicary Committee who is a devout gun grabber. Like I said, leapords don't change their spots. |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 1:49:03 PM EDT
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Yep... I wonder if those people that were assuring us a few months ago the Democrats would not dare push another AWB before 2008 still believe their own bullshit and happy thoughts. Self deception not money is the root of all evil… some folks here have been eaten up with self deception. “For they sow the wind, and they reap the whirlwind” Well we will ALL now reap the whirlwind, some of you deserve it the problem is you have brought us all down with your childish political temper tantrum. And if you bright boys think this will stop with semi-automatic rifles you are again lying to yourselves, this year semi-automatic rifles next year semi-automatic handguns… this is just the start. |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 1:52:27 PM EDT
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And how do we correct the damage that the libs do while they are in power? When was the last time a federal gun control bill was successfully repealed? When the Republicans came to power in 1994 after the first AWB was passed they tried to repeal it. They failed to get enough votes in the House to repeal the AWB even though they had a majority in the House. The liberal agenda is going to do alot of irreversible damage while we're off teaching the Republicans that they should have built a wall on the border. |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 1:54:58 PM EDT
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Nationwide, protest voters like you help bring in the Democratic Majority. They actually proved this by looking a five key elections. The amount of votes that went to the Libertarians would have given the Republicans a victory in each one. Protest Voter stupidity will help end up getting the AWB back in place. How's that for shooting yourselves in the foot, mental giant Protest Voters?
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Posted: 2/22/2007 1:55:03 PM EDT
[#42]
They DID repeal it in the House. It died in the Senate. |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 1:55:25 PM EDT
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It amazes me how you can appear so content and smug with what is going on. Absolutely amazing. |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 1:57:42 PM EDT
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There will be no coming back from this, there ain’t going to be any sunset clauses this time… this is just the beginning and it will be irreversable. Do they still think these new “conservative” Democrat value gun rights more than the Party line… do they still think Jim Webb will save them. We showed em...
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Posted: 2/22/2007 2:02:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/22/2007 2:06:22 PM EDT
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Content? No. Smug? Maybe. The fact is that myself and others urged this board to vote Republican because there was too much at stake not to. I did the same with my family and friends. Alot of people didn't listen and now we are in the position that we are in. Am I happy about it? Am I glad that they are coming after our guns because I get to say "Told you so"? Absofuckinglutely not!!! Am I going to just sit back and laugh while our rights get steam rolled? Absofuckinglutely not!!! But the fact of the matter is that our level of control and influence has been diminished, possibly to a disaterous outcome for gun owners. The Dems have the power. They have the House and they have the Senate. They have the votes to pass anything they want in the House and it'll take a hell of alot more than they need to pass an AWB in the Senate (do you think that the RINOs like McCain and his Gang of 14 are going to filibuster an AWB vote in the Senate?). If this bill passes then we are in alot of trouble and repealing it is going to be next to impossible. |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 2:07:49 PM EDT
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There will be no 'fixing the problem later'... You hold the line, or you lose it all... Folks like you & yours gave us the present problem... I wonder how many people voted 3rd-party in Virginia? Probably enough to have kept George Allen, and thus kept a (R) Senate... Fortunately, the GOP has enough seats to filibuster this... |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 2:08:37 PM EDT
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This sounds just like Pelosi's MO. If she really wants something and her fellow democrats don't back her up, she remembers it and will give the offender real grief further down the road. |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 2:09:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/22/2007 2:09:10 PM EDT
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I'd like to know what you base that assessment on. The current chairman of the Judiciary Committee was the first person to cosponsor this bill when McCarthy first submitted it in 2005. John Conyers is a devout gun grabber and has an F- rating from the GOA. I think that you are being more than slightly optomistic about this bills chances. |
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