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Posted: 8/5/2006 11:29:53 PM EDT
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IBTD!
In before the disappearance! |
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Posted: 8/5/2006 11:35:07 PM EDT
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Damn, the same topic thread was trashed an hour ago.
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Posted: 8/5/2006 11:36:24 PM EDT
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Why was it trashed? This is the coolest thing i've seen in awhile.
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Posted: 8/5/2006 11:38:19 PM EDT
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4.) Posting comments or links in support of illegal activities including, but not limited to, threats against the life of any living person, doing harm to a state or federal official, or advocating the overthrow of the government.
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Posted: 8/5/2006 11:43:03 PM EDT
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now that's some cool shit.
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Posted: 8/5/2006 11:48:30 PM EDT
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The first time I heard about this was on here, and it never got locked. Its a lock pick style. Just like a slim jim to a car or a 12ga to a door. I didn't watch the whole video but I don't see how it promotes illegal activity.
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Posted: 8/5/2006 11:48:34 PM EDT
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The link doesn't support illegal activities. |
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Posted: 8/5/2006 11:48:42 PM EDT
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It was my thread, and that's pretty sad. The video is not advocating anything, it is just information about what is going on out there: no advocacy. |
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Posted: 8/5/2006 11:51:08 PM EDT
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Cool, but completely unsettling...
I saw most of them described UK locks, are they different than ours? |
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Posted: 8/5/2006 11:51:25 PM EDT
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as why the old thread got locked? or do you think any of that is violated by this thread... yet... first thought... I want one or a few for when I lock my self out of places... Second thought... well guess it's time to invest in some other security system |
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Posted: 8/5/2006 11:54:52 PM EDT
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It can work on our locks also, I had a 2hour video that went in detail about it all and many diffrent locks. They pointed out that with only 2 types of keys they could defeat about 90% of US house door locks. ETA I found the video, it is called "whatthebump.wmv" it is 1h37m long and 472mb |
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Posted: 8/6/2006 12:05:46 AM EDT
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See the hobbyist site "lockpicking101.com". No, it isn't illegal, they take steps to ensure that they don't discuss illegal activity just like Arfcom pounces on "how do I turn it into a machinegun" threads. The interesting thing to me about bumpkeying is that the best made locks with the best quality control tend to be the most vulnerable to the attack. R.P. Feynman (physicist) picked locks as a hobby and a stress reliever. It's an interesting form of physical hacking that requires manual dexterity, concentration, and a high degree of skill. A friend of mine is very seriously into it, and spends a lot of spare cash on higher and higher security locks to play with. He gets some strange looks at the locksmith's shop. Jim |
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Posted: 8/6/2006 12:11:53 AM EDT
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What language is that?
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Posted: 8/6/2006 12:21:37 AM EDT
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Dutch I think. |
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Posted: 8/6/2006 12:23:42 AM EDT
[#15]
sounded german to me.... but what would a Chinaman know about it? 
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Posted: 8/6/2006 12:25:28 AM EDT
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The video was informational, and did not suggest or support any criminal activity. All the examples in the videos were people "breaking" into their own businesses, and locks. I think this is interesting. Perhaps it could be useful for emergency situations, though I guess any good LEO who sees one on a known burglar would be able to strap another charge onto him for possession of burglary tools. I think I'll make one to keep around for my spare key that I keep hidden outside. This way, I'll know what to do in order to get in, and if someone else finds my hide-a-key, they won't have a functional key for my home, since it won't open the lock unless they know how to bump (in which case the lock is useless anyways) |
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Posted: 8/6/2006 12:44:00 AM EDT
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Still bucking for that mod position, eh? 
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Posted: 8/6/2006 1:47:47 AM EDT
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Guess what, Dutch is a germanic language
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Posted: 8/6/2006 7:19:07 AM EDT
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There again. As I said in the trashed post. This is not a new idea.
Lock Aid Tool 'Bump-Keying' is an old technique, and is essentially a dumbed-down version of what this tool does. Or rather, this tool automates the process to some extent. |
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Posted: 8/6/2006 9:54:19 AM EDT
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I pick locks as a hobby. I am also a security specialist. When I secure something, like my house, I use known, secure locks and devices. Schlage are very nice locks for medium security and are hard, but not impossible to pick. Quickset are almost as bad as not having a lock at all. The key to security is not to make it impossible to break into, but a difficult target and one not inviting. If they need to spend time to get into it, they'll hit an easier target - unless they really want into it.
I picked the door lock of a GM vehicle last night to get a single mom into her car and her daughter home last night. I can pick a GM door lock in about 20 seconds. They are the Microsoft physical security in the auto industry. BTW, my roommate is amazed I can pick locks and wants to learn as well. He's a street cop. My boss hates the fact I can do this, but is glad that I have the talent. Lockpicking is not hard, but it is an art though. ETA: I learned to pick locks in the Army years ago. Surruptitous or clandestine entry techniques. It's not as simple as the video suggests. They are just modifying a raking technique. Also, locks in Europe are oftentimes somewhat more simple than locks in the US. But the operation is the same. The report seems to indicate that people are filing down a key to make a "masterkey" type key and brute force a lock open. The real defense would be your own "masterkey" system: 
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Posted: 8/6/2006 9:58:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/6/2006 10:06:57 AM EDT
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A single mom huh......you better of got pie for that one. 
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Posted: 8/6/2006 10:17:32 AM EDT
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Don't you have the thread title backwards?
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Posted: 8/6/2006 3:32:40 PM EDT
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It takes finesse, and the right weight and type of 'hammer'. It is similar to raking, but it is an inertial method. You're 'bouncing' the pins up. The best 'hammer' I've seen is improvised. Hacksaw blade with a rubber chemical stopper bolted to it. The blade is springy, the flask stopper is fairly massive and rubber. Gives just the right 'thwack'. It isn't anything like a 'master key' unless you're using that in the same manner someone might say "12 gauge lockpick" for a shotgun breach load. In fact, master keyed locks are more difficult to bump open than single keyed locks. Jim |
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Posted: 8/6/2006 3:37:52 PM EDT
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I didn't click it... is it Barry 'The Key'??? He's bad ass with a pick!!!
http://www.toool.nl ^^ Barry's site I have the 2 hour video from the h2K con in NYC. he has a website with a lot of info.....& IIRC MIT has a 'lock info' site. |
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Posted: 8/6/2006 3:40:15 PM EDT
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Nope, should be the same. After seeing this I cut a short key and tried it on my front door, then went to my moms, then my sisters house. All thee doors have Schlage locks and it opened every one with in 4 hits. This is scary. 
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Posted: 8/6/2006 3:51:32 PM EDT
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go to the video, then go to their site www.toool.nl. From there download a 1.5+ hour video. its 400 megs or more. the video goes into great detail about making various bump keys. has a demo of a machine that can mimmic supposeld special keys (see the video). at the end there is a discussion of locks that cannot be picked, raked, bumped or cylinder popped. some of these locks actually jam with the bump key in the lock on purpose. some of the test they did were to finally attempt to insert a screw into the keyway so that the cylinder could be popped out. and this failed too. so in the end it demonstrates a number of companies that have met the challenge of picking, raking and bumping locks and it exposes companies and lock types that fail. so in a way it is similar to computer hackers that find security flaws in software and then put the info out about what works and what doesn't. the discussion of the unpickable locks was VERY interesting. |
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Posted: 8/6/2006 4:05:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/6/2006 4:21:32 PM EDT
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To expand on this, Schlage, Baldwin, and others uses the SC1, 6 pin keyway. Kwikset lines use a 5 pin keyway. Maybe we should all buy the Kwikset Powerbolt instead (eletric keypad deadbolt). |
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Posted: 8/6/2006 4:32:06 PM EDT
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Do they use a magnet?? I've seen Barry beat them in 10 seconds w/ a $20 magnet from ebay. |
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Posted: 8/9/2006 11:21:19 AM EDT
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Yeah, they are. They're make in the UK. Other than that, no difference. We're just as vulnerable to this as them, if not moreso. What you saw there in that video is possible with nearly all tumbler locks. |
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Posted: 8/9/2006 11:36:00 AM EDT
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The kwickset KW1 uses 5 pins, but there are quickset models with 6 pins |
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