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Posted: 4/11/2006 8:04:21 AM EDT

Sorry if this is a dupe, but it looks new to the smoking gun today, and I haven't seen any other posts.

It looks as if Mr. Professional is suing the fed.gov because the video has made him a laughingstock and quote:

"has been the "target of jokes, derision, ridicule, and disparaging comments" directed at him in restaurants, grocery stores, and airports."

Ahh, good times. Here is the link:

linky to lawsuit docs

Posted: 4/11/2006 8:10:24 AM EDT

[#1]

A former DEA firearms instructor that I know once shot himself in the leg. He screwed up, he knew it, and used it as a lesson to his people that complacency kills. I have never heard anyone rag him on it, because he was a man about it.

This guy's an asshat, and deserves the ridicule he's getting.

Posted: 4/11/2006 8:13:04 AM EDT

[#2]

He should actually sue himself for making him a laughing stock. The .gov didn't make him forgot all the gun safety instruction he received. What a dipshit. I, for one, would never want to knock a door down with him, he'd prolly shoot me in the butt.

Posted: 4/11/2006 8:13:24 AM EDT

[#3]

Quoted:

This guy's an asshat, and deserves the ridicule he's getting.

+1

Posted: 4/11/2006 8:16:05 AM EDT

[#4]

Just finished reading the entire document. One thing that bothers me a bit is that the lawsuit describes how the video, which was shot by a third party, was confiscated by the DEA and eventually returned to the owner WITHOUT the AD footage and sound.

This pins down how the "defendant" knows it was the DEA that leaked video, but it makes you wonder why (and what right) they had in altering the video.

Posted: 4/11/2006 8:17:14 AM EDT

[#5]

The GOV should be prosecuting this jackass for child endangerment.

Posted: 4/11/2006 8:21:16 AM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:
Just finished reading the entire document. One thing that bothers me a bit is that the lawsuit describes how the video, which was shot by a third party, was confiscated by the DEA and eventually returned to the owner WITHOUT the AD footage and sound.

This pins down how the "defendant" knows it was the DEA that leaked video, but it makes you wonder why (and what right) they had in altering the video.

One of his ATF agent buddies is a sleeper on ARFCOM, and wanted to take credit for posting it first. He asked that the DEA confiscate the video, so he could burn a copy, and then send it back to the original owner edited, so it couldnt be posted. If the third party got the full video and released it, any thread on ARFCOM would be a DUPE.

My tinfoil on tight enough?

Posted: 4/11/2006 8:26:25 AM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Just finished reading the entire document. One thing that bothers me a bit is that the lawsuit describes how the video, which was shot by a third party, was confiscated by the DEA and eventually returned to the owner WITHOUT the AD footage and sound.

This pins down how the "defendant" knows it was the DEA that leaked video, but it makes you wonder why (and what right) they had in altering the video.

One of his ATF agent buddies is a sleeper on ARFCOM, and wanted to take credit for posting it first. He asked that the DEA confiscate the video, so he could burn a copy, and then send it back to the original owner edited, so it couldnt be posted. If the third party got the full video and released it, any thread on ARFCOM would be a DUPE.

My tinfoil on tight enough?

I've heard crazier conspiracy theorys!

Posted: 4/11/2006 8:28:12 AM EDT

[#8]

Dumbass

Posted: 4/11/2006 8:31:54 AM EDT

[#9]

ooooo...

His address is listed on the complaint.

I'm gonna send him a letter with one page enclosed.

Centered and bolded on the page will be "LOL"

Posted: 4/11/2006 8:31:59 AM EDT

[#10]

There is no dumbass action that can't be turned into money these days. The Republic is doomed.

Posted: 4/11/2006 8:33:20 AM EDT

[#11]

Gee, maybe he should have been a little more careful in the first place? Nah, it's much easier to be a dumbass and sue someone instead.

Posted: 4/11/2006 8:48:08 AM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:
There is no dumbass action that can't be turned into money these days. The Republic is doomed.

O.k., I don't have time to do any real research, but I took a quick look at the complaint. This is one of the most horribly written complaints I have ever seen, and I don't think its going to last long in court. The suit is apparently being brought under 5 USC s 552a, which is the Freedom of Information Act, which allows a citizen to bring suit to force the government to turn over information. I don't believe, and didn't see anything in the statute which would allow a government employee to sue to prevent disclosure. Moreover, the remedy for the FOIA is to get the documents, not mental anguish and all the crap he pled, which requires a claim for infliction of emotional distress or some other tort. I think Mr. profeshunal found the biggest hack lawyer he could to write this crap. I suspect there will be a dismissal in month or so.

Edited to Add: Checked the signature block. He doesn't even have a lawyer. He's going to last about 5 minutes in court.

Posted: 4/11/2006 8:48:29 AM EDT

[#13]

Since when is an "Undercover Operative" giving PUBLIC presentations on drugs and firearm safety? While allowing himself to be videotaped?

Doesn't that blow his cover bigtime?

Another contingency fee lawsuit I'd guess.

Posted: 4/11/2006 8:50:46 AM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Just finished reading the entire document. One thing that bothers me a bit is that the lawsuit describes how the video, which was shot by a third party, was confiscated by the DEA and eventually returned to the owner WITHOUT the AD footage and sound.

This pins down how the "defendant" knows it was the DEA that leaked video, but it makes you wonder why (and what right) they had in altering the video.

One of his ATF agent buddies is a sleeper on ARFCOM, and wanted to take credit for posting it first. He asked that the DEA confiscate the video, so he could burn a copy, and then send it back to the original owner edited, so it couldnt be posted. If the third party got the full video and released it, any thread on ARFCOM would be a DUPE.

My tinfoil on tight enough?

Posted: 4/11/2006 8:53:02 AM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:
Since when is an "Undercover Operative" giving PUBLIC presentations on drugs and firearm safety? While allowing himself to be videotaped?

Doesn't that blow his cover bigtime?

Another contingency fee lawsuit I'd guess.

The same way Valerie Plame's neighbors, or most of them, knew shoe worked for CIA, yet she's still breathlessly referred to as a covert operative.

Posted: 4/11/2006 8:56:21 AM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0411061foot1.html

What a jerk. He should be grateful he isn't in jail for endangering the lives of those children and adult in the audience.

I bet its not too late to file charges.

(take from other dupe thread)

Posted: 4/11/2006 9:02:31 AM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
Since when is an "Undercover Operative" giving PUBLIC presentations on drugs and firearm safety? While allowing himself to be videotaped?

Doesn't that blow his cover bigtime?

Another contingency fee lawsuit I'd guess.

He was disciplined for that, but not for shooting himself, initially was the story.................... And when the vidoe came out there was supposedly an investigation into the ND.

Posted: 4/11/2006 9:06:21 AM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
Quoted:
There is no dumbass action that can't be turned into money these days. The Republic is doomed.

<snip>

Thanks much for the insight. I hope you are correct and his suit is dismissed with prejudice ASAP.

Posted: 4/11/2006 9:11:10 AM EDT

[#19]

I don't know why you're all giving him such a hard time; his lawsuit obviously says that the firearm discharged accidentally, which could happen to any of us

Posted: 4/11/2006 9:17:38 AM EDT

[#20]

Wheres the "LOL chopter" when you need it?

Posted: 4/11/2006 9:19:36 AM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:
Wheres the "LOL chopper" when you need it?

one more

Posted: 4/11/2006 9:29:57 AM EDT

[#22]

If the Dept. investigation shows that the weapon was not defective, and the person handling it was responsible for it's firing, he's got no case. I'd bet that is what the ND report reads also.

So, his gun works properly, he shoots himself in front of a bunch of kids by not adhering to proper handling procedures. He knows he's being taped by a civilian and does not object prior to the shooting.

The video is in the public domain if the camera owner allows it. It's the camera owner's property, not DEA's even if they did confiscate it. He's got no case against the camera owner, and none against the DEA.

Posted: 4/11/2006 9:37:25 AM EDT

[#23]

Posted: 4/11/2006 9:42:16 AM EDT

[#24]

What a fuckin' dumbass!

ETA - It's Inspector Clouseau in dreadlocks.

Posted: 4/11/2006 9:43:58 AM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Wheres the "LOL chopper" when you need it?

www.forumspile.com/LOL-ROFL_Copter.gif

one more

www.forumspile.com/LOL-Lollerskates.gif

--VT

Posted: 4/11/2006 9:52:42 AM EDT

[#26]

bumping the orignal thread to the top, above the dupe.

Posted: 4/11/2006 10:01:15 AM EDT

[#27]

"when his firearm (a Glock .40) accidentally discharged."

Bull Shit! He pulled the trigger.

Posted: 4/11/2006 10:02:29 AM EDT

[#28]

I remember that video (the copy I found elsewhere on the internet wasn't edited or anything). How the hell did this guy manage to fire his weapon anyways ? He must've pulled the trigger somehow.

Either way, it's ridiculous that he thinks he can actually sue anyone over the matter, when his actions in the first place should have him in jail, for having a negligent discharge (safety risk) and for violating DEA rules by allowing himself to be videotaped and identifying himself as an agent without being authorized to do so.

He's actually lucky he isn't dead after revealing himself to be a DEA agent. Now that his address is out there, I wonder if anybody on the wrong side of the law (perhaps someone he helped bust on drug charges ?) is going to find him.

Posted: 4/11/2006 10:04:18 AM EDT

[#29]

he deserves the humiliation of being laughed out of court. they're going to show the video to the jury, the jury will laugh, and the will be it.

you have a right to be stupid, but other people have the right to call you on it

Posted: 4/11/2006 10:08:21 AM EDT

[#30]

Glock 22: $500
Trip to the ER after your ND: $250
New pair of Nike's: $75
Trying to sue your employer, after the
world sees that you're a dumbass on tape: PRICELESS!

Posted: 4/11/2006 10:11:52 AM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:
"when his firearm (a Glock .40) accidentally discharged."

Bull Shit! He pulled the trigger.

+1

I don't know of ANY way a Glock in proper working order (none of the internal safeties/other parts screwed with/up) with good ammo (no reloads with high/soft primers) could possibly go off without the trigger being pulled.

For that matter, the same applies to "dangerous" (

) designs such as the 1911 or BHP.

Posted: 4/11/2006 10:14:54 AM EDT

[#32]

Quoted:
It looks as if Mr. Professional is suing the fed.gov because the video has made him a laughingstock and quote:

Caution...Loaded pistol may be loaded....

Posted: 4/11/2006 10:24:18 AM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:
Quoted:
"when his firearm (a Glock .40) accidentally discharged."

Bull Shit! He pulled the trigger.

+1 I don't know of ANY way a Glock in proper working order (none of the internal safeties/other parts screwed with/up) with good ammo (no reloads with high/soft primers) could possibly go off without the trigger being pulled.

For that matter, the same applies to "dangerous" () designs such as the 1911 or BHP.

My theory is that he was about to field strip the gun.

And on a Glock, as I'm sure you know, that's done by pulling the trigger.

The Dumbass still should have had ANY ammunition in the classroom though.

Posted: 4/11/2006 10:35:24 AM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:
home.triad.rr.com/txgp17/images/TAG.JPG

thats an awful big tag.

Posted: 4/11/2006 10:37:19 AM EDT

[#35]

Quoted:
Since when is an "Undercover Operative" giving PUBLIC presentations on drugs and firearm safety? While allowing himself to be videotaped?

Doesn't that blow his cover bigtime?

Another contingency fee lawsuit I'd guess.

Nope, the article states that the lawsuit is filed pro se which, as everyone knows, is latin for "nut job."

Posted: 4/11/2006 10:37:44 AM EDT

[#36]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
"when his firearm (a Glock .40) accidentally discharged."

Bull Shit! He pulled the trigger.

+1 I don't know of ANY way a Glock in proper working order (none of the internal safeties/other parts screwed with/up) with good ammo (no reloads with high/soft primers) could possibly go off without the trigger being pulled.

For that matter, the same applies to "dangerous" () designs such as the 1911 or BHP.

My theory is that he was about to field strip the gun.

And on a Glock, as I'm sure you know, that's done by pulling the trigger.

The Dumbass still should have had ANY ammunition in the classroom though.

It looked to me like he was trying to holster the pistol when it went off. I don't know about anybody else, but I always rack the slide when I'm about to disassemble any pistol. Makes sense for a number of reasons, I think another good reason (besides the obvious) for locking the slide open on a pistol prior to field-stripping is so you can inspect the extractor and breech face (might save some time if you're having malfunctions).

Posted: 4/11/2006 11:44:41 AM EDT

[#37]

Who would have thought this was coming? (scratches head)

You know that the guy is doing the lawsuit thing just so he can say it’s punitive when they fire him.

This guy needs to assigned to a desk job in the north pole office.

Posted: 4/11/2006 12:00:29 PM EDT

[#38]

Does anybody have a good downloadable copy of the incident.

It's one of the true classics of our time, and I need a copy to archive for my kids.

It has it all. Arrogance, Elitism, Incompetence.
It is a serious cautionary tale, and hilarious at the same time.

"I am the only one in this room (that I know of) professional enough to have a glock fowty"

Posted: 4/11/2006 12:02:21 PM EDT

[#39]

...He also notes that he is no longer "permitted or able to give educational motivational speeches and presentations." . . .

-Well honestly, from what I saw of it, he wasn't really that great at presentations anyway. No loss there.
~

Posted: 4/11/2006 12:04:57 PM EDT

[#40]

Dumbass could've made a comedy career outta this...

Posted: 4/11/2006 12:08:36 PM EDT

[#41]

Quoted:
It's one of the true classics of our time, and I need a copy to archive for my kids.

It has it all. Arrogance, Elitism, Incompetence.
It is a serious cautionary tale, and hilarious at the same time.

"I am the only one in this room (that I know of) professional enough to have a glock fowty"

+1

Posted: 4/11/2006 12:16:03 PM EDT

[#42]

Quoted:
Quoted:
It's one of the true classics of our time, and I need a copy to archive for my kids.

It has it all. Arrogance, Elitism, Incompetence.
It is a serious cautionary tale, and hilarious at the same time.

"I am the only one in this room (that I know of) professional enough to have a glock fowty"

+1

+2

Posted: 4/11/2006 12:19:19 PM EDT

[#43]

Yes. The firearm forced him to violate EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE FOUR PRIMARY RULES of Safe Firearms Handling.

In a room crowded with children and parents.
While being videotaped.

He hasn't suffered enough yet.