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Posted: 3/17/2006 8:38:50 PM EDT

Just saw this flick tonight. I thought it was awesome. I know there was a previous thread speculating about it and people saying it's about terrorism and all. That's really in the eye of the beholder I guess, but the point is about a revolution against a fascist Orwellian government and not killing innocent people or anything like that.

Anyways I don't want to give too much away but I wondered if anyone else had seen it and what their impressions were.

Posted: 3/17/2006 8:46:22 PM EDT

[#1]

The ad I just saw on TV immediately reminded me of both 1984 and Equilibrium. This movie has chosen mighty big shoes to try and fill. I hope it has done that.

Posted: 3/17/2006 8:48:41 PM EDT

[#2]

I really want to see it too. I'd love to see it with my leftist, paranoid Bush-hater friends, but they aren't in town.

Posted: 3/17/2006 8:49:05 PM EDT

[#3]

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Posted: 3/17/2006 9:11:58 PM EDT

[#4]

I just got back from seeing this movie. And the Wachowski Brothers make up for the less than great Matrix sequels. It definitely has parallels to Equilibrium and 1984 (Heck, the Chancellor is played by the same guy who played Winston Smith in the 1984 movie). And its just as good as them.

As for the argument that this movie "supports" terrorism, is anti-American, and takes shots at the Bush Administration, it could be, and it might not. The current regime isn't as bad as the government in this movie, but it is getting that way. But its all in context.

I see the movie as projecting the American Revolution into the future. The government is oppressive, and violence or terrorism is the only way. But I think there is a difference from, say AlQueda terrorism, and the terrorism used in the movie. AlQueda kills innocent civilians- indiscriminately - while V kills only those who deserve it. I think that is the major difference.

Revolution, even violent, is not only the right of a people, but their duty, when a government has only one end- to reduce the people to absolute despotism. Its all in the Declaration of Independence. Whether that applies to the current regime, I leave that question up to you.

Posted: 3/17/2006 9:53:40 PM EDT

[#5]

I think it looks cool, I wanna see it too.

Posted: 3/17/2006 9:59:19 PM EDT

[#6]

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Reminds me of the Burger King.....Scary!

Posted: 3/17/2006 10:01:09 PM EDT

[#7]

I just got back from seeing it with my seventeen year old daughter. It provided some good opportunies to discuss oppressive and totalitarian governments, Constitutional rights, how despots get to positions of power, the role of a country's citizens in regaining their rights, and how those rights were lost in the first place. I can't say I've seen a movie lately that touched on those issues, and that's not an all inclusive list of topics this movie raises.

Go see it.

Posted: 3/17/2006 10:02:51 PM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:
I just got back from seeing this movie. And the Wachowski Brothers make up for the less than great Matrix sequels. It definitely has parallels to Equilibrium and 1984 (Heck, the Chancellor is played by the same guy who played Winston Smith in the 1984 movie). And its just as good as them.

As for the argument that this movie "supports" terrorism, is anti-American, and takes shots at the Bush Administration, it could be, and it might not. The current regime isn't as bad as the government in this movie, but it is getting that way. But its all in context.

I see the movie as projecting the American Revolution into the future. The government is oppressive, and violence or terrorism is the only way. But I think there is a difference from, say AlQueda terrorism, and the terrorism used in the movie. AlQueda kills innocent civilians- indiscriminately - while V kills only those who deserve it. I think that is the major difference.

Revolution, even violent, is not only the right of a people, but their duty, when a government has only one end- to reduce the people to absolute despotism. Its all in the Declaration of Independence. Whether that applies to the current regime, I leave that question up to you.

The definition of "terrorism" is killing innocent people to cause terror among a population. Using violence to overthrow a government and only targeting those who deserve it is a revolution. The people involved would be "revolutionaries" or "insurgents" (not in the sense as it is currently being used as a euphemism for terrorist).

Just my thoughts... I could elaborate further but....

Posted: 3/17/2006 10:15:09 PM EDT

[#9]

I saw it. I knew nothing it about it going in, hadn't even seen trailers yet. Definitely hadn't read the graphic novel. In my group, one guy didn't like it, said it deviated from the comic too much.

But, I thought it was great. I also don't want to spoil it, so I'll say say I was very pleased with the ending.

Highly Recommended.

I think V's actor (don't want to spoil that either for people that don't know. I don't know if they advertised who's playing him) should get somekind of award along with David Prowse (Original Darth Vader) for being able to act so well with just a mask and body language. Well, V talks too, but still, that can't be easy to come off as that Intimidating without facial expressions...

Posted: 3/17/2006 10:32:48 PM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:
I just got back from seeing this movie. And the Wachowski Brothers make up for the less than great Matrix sequels. It definitely has parallels to Equilibrium and 1984 (Heck, the Chancellor is played by the same guy who played Winston Smith in the 1984 movie). And its just as good as them.

As for the argument that this movie "supports" terrorism, is anti-American, and takes shots at the Bush Administration, it could be, and it might not. The current regime isn't as bad as the government in this movie, but it is getting that way. But its all in context.

I see the movie as projecting the American Revolution into the future. The government is oppressive, and violence or terrorism is the only way. But I think there is a difference from, say AlQueda terrorism, and the terrorism used in the movie. AlQueda kills innocent civilians- indiscriminately - while V kills only those who deserve it. I think that is the major difference.

Revolution, even violent, is not only the right of a people, but their duty, when a government has only one end- to reduce the people to absolute despotism. Its all in the Declaration of Independence. Whether that applies to the current regime, I leave that question up to you.

Your lack of knowledge of the events of 1776 are shocking, especially given your username.

The colonials were fighting a War od Independance. In NO WAY was it a revolution.

The colonials were quite happy with the old ways; in fact they fought to keep them. They were rebelling against outside control, not against the system, which had been in place for almost 100 years already.

End thread hijack.

Yeah, that pic of the suicide vest was nice.

I'm sure it will inspire many arabs to strap bombs on themselves and head for the nearest Tel Aviv shopping mall or US military checkpoint in Iraq. Or Earth Firsters to bomb a mall right here.

And of course they will find a way to rationalize anyone they kill as an Enemy not an Innocent.

This film is poison and about what we can expect from the demented idiots in Hollywood.

Posted: 3/17/2006 10:34:17 PM EDT

[#11]

OK probably see it this weekend

Posted: 3/17/2006 11:10:59 PM EDT

[#12]

I wouldn't put even a scintilla of faith into the notion that anything in the entertainment genre would even remotely support anything other than a centrist form of gov't. The fascist gov't in this movie is reportedly flavored as "right-wing". When's the last time anyone ever saw a depiction of a fascist gov't in a movie w/ left-leaning political views? Bear in mind, the goal of the creators of the V comic series were leftist pimps who were attempting a subtle smear of Margaret Thatcher and her conservative party during her tenure as England's Prime Minister.

You'll never see a depiction of a leftist regime as presented in 1984 the book, which would get burned, banned, & protested if it was a contemporary published work; "1984" the movie would never get green-lighted for production in today's Hollywierd. John Hurt obviously didn't gain any political insight from his former role.

Someone posted here that one of the Wachowski's wants to have his tool & jewels removed, get fired up on hormones, etc, etc. & pretend he's a "sister"

. Let him do it w/ his own dime, not mine.

Posted: 3/17/2006 11:26:20 PM EDT

[#13]

control + v for vendetta!

Quoted:
I just saw the movie "V for Vendetta", it's revealing, as to what America could easily become if we don't start putting the brakes on the crap the White house is up to. There will be some here that nievely balk at the mention of the Koran in a little piece of the story line. I am, or should I say used to be a Republican (I will vote Republican in the next election only if John McCain runs). From monitoring private citizens, to detention facilities. This movie shows what WILL happen if our government is not reigned in.

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Why do you have your M16's/Ar15's? I have my MANY firearms for one reason, when the government crosses the line, me and MANY will be their with those firearms to stand against it. I guess you people just buy the toys for your AR's to just look at yourself in the mirror holding them?

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Out of Honor and Code I have to post my stupidity. I had absolutely no fucking idea that John McCain was anti gun. The thought of my making such a stupid mistake is alien to me. All I can say is that McCain is a republican, with strong views against the Bush administration, as am I. BUT you are right. Me, the dumbass, did a google just now on McCain's gun views. Something that I ASSUMED was in line with my beliefs. Hell, I met him at a function in Phoenix, he has a damn gun collection!

I do not abide by ANY of Al quaeda views, they should be anhialated, as should anyone else that tries to tear the true fabric of freedom. But I am seeing America slowly turn into a totalitarian regime, all under the guise of "we are doing it to protect you" which is the basis line in the movie "V for Vendetta".

My embarrassment nausiates me. Where's the Wild Turkey?

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Since when is opposing totalitarianism "leftist"?
AND, There sure are a lot of Bishops, priests, Mormon bishops etc being indicted for molestation.
You're obviously a socialist. Keep in mind, being a law abiding RIGHTIST, your firearms are all registered, so it will be easy for your government to find you, you applaud the Patriot Act, you approve of eavesdropping of the citizenry, you approve of invading a country, based on lies. You're a sheep pal. And as for this being off topic, don't you little fruedian wussies get tired of talking about which flashlight to mount on your shiney ALWAYS new ar15's? I have a question, with all of the batteries required to operate all the crap that will only stand out as a target in a true firefight, how long will you be able to buy batteries after the revolt comes? I sure hope NATO has flashlights on their weapons. Shooting fish in a barrel.

I guess you think that the government will allow you to keep your shiney, 100 pound firearms?

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"Outed myself" as being what? Some liberal plant? Or are you vaguely accusing me of being some agent? If it isn't fruedian, than what is it? It sure as hell isn't realistic to have battery operated devices on a weapon.

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I can tell "who you are" by the crap you spew. You're a sheep, and for you to question why the "mods" haven't banned me? You're a wuss as well. A fuckin wuss sheep.

This is going on in the AR-15 General Discussion forum right now. I guess the mods must be asleep.

Posted: 3/17/2006 11:34:25 PM EDT

[#14]

I saw the movie today, and I had mixed feelings. I think the terrorism angle that has been played up in the press was kind of overblown; as has been pointed out, V's "terrorist" attacks in the movie mostly consist of blowing up empty buildings and revenge-killing of major scumbags. (The "vendetta" part).

The movie does take a few backhanded swipes at the U.S. and the war on terror, but, hey, it's Hollywood; what do you expect. Those jabs are pretty fleeting, however, and attacking Bush and the U.S. is by no means the point of the film.

My biggest gripe is that... well... it gets a little boring at points. The beginning and end have great action sequences and special effects, but the middle section consists mostly of long, talky lectures and debates. And "relationship" stuff. i.e., BO-RINNNGGGG. This movie confirms what the Matrix 2 and 3 first indicated: the Wachowski brothers really need to get back to karate fights and car chases and leave the politics and philosophy to the deep thinkers. 'Cause it ain't their forte.

Posted: 3/17/2006 11:39:17 PM EDT

[#15]

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My biggest gripe is that... well... it gets a little boring at points. The beginning and end have great action sequences and special effects, but the middle section consists mostly of long, talky lectures and debates. And "relationship" stuff. i.e., BO-RINNNGGGG. This movie confirms what the Matrix 2 and 3 first indicated: the Wachowski brothers really need to get back to karate fights and car chases and leave the politics and philosophy to the deep thinkers. 'Cause it ain't their forte.

They suckered you into the film with the action shots, which were really only there so they could hit you with their preachy leftist lecture.

Posted: 3/17/2006 11:40:43 PM EDT

[#16]

Don't know about the mods, but he does have a point. Freedom owes itself to no political party. We must always be on guard and protective of our rights. Any party in power will always try to increase it's own power. Hell, I'll bet even the Libertarians would try to pull some shit if they ever got in power.

Sic semper tyrannus.

ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ!

Posted: 3/18/2006 1:17:01 AM EDT

[#17]

some of you are confusing Fascism &/or Marxism/Communism with Totalitarianism

most oppresive regimes in the 20th century were for all practical purposes

authoritarian dictatorships or totalitarian oligarchies , many still are today ( Cuba, China )

Posted: 3/18/2006 3:45:59 AM EDT

[#18]

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The current regime isn't as bad as the government in this movie, but it is getting that way.

Only in your paranoid delusions.

Posted: 3/18/2006 4:02:24 AM EDT

[#19]

I'm sure DU'ers who see it will think it's a powerful slap at the Bush administration. I was thinking of seeing it till I saw an interveiw with Libtard Natalie Portman the other night, stating it was making some commentary on the current administration.

Edited to add-

Sure enough-
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=689352&mesg_id=689352

Posted: 3/18/2006 4:09:45 AM EDT

[#20]

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I'm sure DU'ers who see it will think it's a powerful slap at the Bush administration. I was thinking of seeing it till I saw an interveiw with Libtard Natalie Portman the other night, stating it was making some commentary on the current administration.

Yeah, this movie is already starting to turn out a lot of DU'h freaks....case in point, that Darsus freak in the above post.

The movie looks/sounds like ass and since when has any movie been worth a damn, they are just for entertainment, not real life.

ETA: I saw your ETA/DU'h link, I have a feeling that there will be a lot of discussion about this movie for the next couple of weeks. Another MARPAT/zombie "thang" in the making.....

Posted: 3/18/2006 4:17:28 AM EDT

[#21]

I think I'll see it. Oh, and by the way, "Fascism" is right-wing and "Communism" is left-wing, generally speaking. At some point, however, if they go far enough, they will actually meet.

Posted: 3/18/2006 4:27:18 AM EDT

[#22]

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I think I'll see it. Oh, and by the way, "Fascism" is right-wing and "Communism" is left-wing, generally speaking. At some point, however, if they go far enough, they will actually meet.

???
The nazis were fascists and leftists, National Socialists Party.
Republicanism and Facsism/Communism are enemies because they are diametrically opposed. Fascism and Communism on the other hand are enemies because they are rivals.

Posted: 3/18/2006 4:39:13 AM EDT

[#23]

So what do they do unarm the Americans first? Seems logical.

Posted: 3/18/2006 4:43:38 AM EDT

[#24]

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I think I'll see it. Oh, and by the way, "Fascism" is right-wing and "Communism" is left-wing, generally speaking. At some point, however, if they go far enough, they will actually meet.

???
The nazis were fascists and leftists, National Socialists Party.
Republicanism and Facsism/Communism are enemies because they are diametrically opposed. Fascism and Communism on the other hand are enemies because they are rivals.

Fascism still allows for private ownership of economy, Communism doesn't. Therein lies your difference.

Posted: 3/18/2006 4:59:15 AM EDT

[#25]

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I think I'll see it. Oh, and by the way, "Fascism" is right-wing and "Communism" is left-wing, generally speaking. At some point, however, if they go far enough, they will actually meet.

???
The nazis were fascists and leftists, National Socialists Party.
Republicanism and Facsism/Communism are enemies because they are diametrically opposed. Fascism and Communism on the other hand are enemies because they are rivals.

Fascism still allows for private ownership of economy, Communism doesn't. Therein lies your difference.

I did not say that there was no difference. Of course there is a difference, but they are still both leftist.

Posted: 3/18/2006 5:06:08 AM EDT

[#26]

Don't worry Blair, it's only a film…

…for now…

ANdy

Posted: 3/18/2006 5:19:22 AM EDT

[#27]

Posted: 3/18/2006 5:26:21 AM EDT

[#28]

There were many bows to Orwell's 1984 in this movie. Obviously, the selection of John Hurt as Adam Sutler, since Hurt played Winston Smith in 1984. Also, the rat in Evey's cell was an allusion to the rats that broke Winston Smith in 1984. Lastly, the omnipresent plasma TV's were the "telescreens" of the V world.

I also liked the incorporation of some of the elephants of Pink Floyd's The Wall, including the chocie of colors for the state and the logos/marching etc.

Overall, a great movie, very entertaining even if a little pro gay.

Posted: 3/18/2006 5:26:56 AM EDT

[#29]

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Reminds me of the Burger King.....Scary!

The suicide bomber thing made uncomfortable, but the Burger King adds a new level of creepy.

Seriously though, my first thought was, "Yikes, I'll pass." I know the projection of anti-Americanism is in the eye of the beholder, but what I keep seeing is enough to make me pass.

Posted: 3/18/2006 5:29:29 AM EDT

[#30]

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Fascism still allows for private ownership of economy, Communism doesn't. Therein lies your difference.

I did not say that there was no difference. Of course there is a difference, but they are still both leftist.

You can't be "Leftist" and have private ownership of economy, friend.

Posted: 3/18/2006 5:47:02 AM EDT

[#31]

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upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4c/Pournelle_chart_color.gif

That's the most retarded chart I have ever seen. It's a twisted perversion of another political attitudes graph I've seen. I'm rational, and nationalistic. That makes me a communist? According to that chart, yes.

Posted: 3/18/2006 5:49:37 AM EDT

[#32]

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upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4c/Pournelle_chart_color.gif

That's the most retarded chart I have ever seen. It's a twisted perversion of another political attitudes graph I've seen. I'm rational, and nationalistic. That makes me a communist? According to that chart, yes.

I think it would make a lot more sense if they actually defined "rational."

Posted: 3/18/2006 6:17:04 AM EDT

[#33]

more

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Nice poem, it's to bad that the "OLD lazy sheep" didn't do more on their watch. The real SCARY question is why aren't you angry?

Your use of the username "NYPatriot" and the use of Jefferson's picture is a fucking insult. You are an example of the stupidity assumed by a government that PASSED an act that is ANYTHING but PATRIOTIC. You do know that the used the name "Patriot Act" for a reason. It was so sheep like you would rally around it, elluding that if you dissagreed with it, you'd be UNpatriotic. Tell me asshole, how much money did you spend in lobbying against the Patriot act? Or are you for it? You fucking sheep. You're no patriot. You're just another closet patriot wannabe poser. As for my not making friends here? Is that supposed to hurt my feelings? Big deal, 6 guys on some message board that have no clue as to the real world.

Oh, I am quite sure the "mods" as you put it, will take my registration for having the odasity to express my views. It's kind'a ironic that I innitially came here to find some common views. My Class III gets me all the deals/toys I need. There is no honor here, no code. The real funny thing is that I was referred here by VERY senior officials of the NRA. I'm not impressed.

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Here is an example of my favorite poster, a sheep with "DELTA" in their username, as if they have any affiliation to Delta-Team. Sure dude. Next you'll be saying that they recruited you from the SEALS. Or better yet, you "could tell me, but then you'd have to kill me"...So DeltaPOSER, how much does your AR weigh? Based on Delta team training, how many times can you drink your own piss before the hydration qualities cease? Delta didn't fair very well in the botched IRAN Hostage mission. Reminds me of the ATF idiot that shot herself in the leg as she was climbing the ladder at the Davidian compound in WACO.

Posted: 3/18/2006 6:22:43 AM EDT

[#34]

You guys are too hung up on the left/right thing, just go see it. There are a lot of good one liners that people use around here all the time, like 'th e people shouldn't fear the government, the government should fear the people', etc.

Posted: 3/18/2006 6:32:00 AM EDT

[#35]

Go see it before you condemn it.

I thought it was a great take on the "tyranny of fear" both politicians & the media are constantly pushing. And I loved the Rush Limbaugh character.

I liked the movie even better than the book.

As noted above, I think the actor who played "V" did an aweosme job acting without using any facial expressions.

Just by the way he held the mask, he could convey any emotion. Seeing the trailer, I was worried that the mask would distract from the movie but it worked.

Posted: 3/18/2006 7:06:39 AM EDT

[#36]

I'm looking forward to seeing it.

ANY government or political party can become corrupt and become a Totalitarian Regime. It really would NOT matter if it was Facist or Communist. They both suck. The GOP woshipers should get their heads out of their asses. Who cares if a Republican or a Democrat or a Pink Fluffy Bunny Rabbit takes your freedom? Either way it is wrong and the end result is the same. Personally I like movies that broach this subject.

Like in most things the truth is someplace in between. Trusting any politician is INSANE. The Bush Administration has done quite a bit to curb freedom in this country. So did the Clinton Administration. They both blatantly IGNORE the constitution. Though I am ceratinly happier with Bush than I would have been with Gore or Kerry. Bush is evil, but Gore and Kerry were even more evil. I think the last decent pres. we had was Regean. I'm too young to remember much about him, but from what I read I wish we had another one.

But please stop making excuses for the current administration, they are NOT as bad as the previous one but they are not much better either. They are politicians therefore they want MORE power. It really doesn't matter if they lean to the right or left does it? More government power means less FREEDOM for us serfs.

I think ANY movie that gets people to think about freedom issues, and standing up to ANY oppresive government is important! I could care less if an oppresive regime is Right, Left or PURPLE. Get over the GOP woshiping, they can become authoritatian just as easilly as a liberal scumbag. I think it took some balls to make a movie like this after 911. I could care less if one of the makers wants to get his nuts cut off and be a chick. As long as my nuts stay where they are who cares?

Posted: 3/18/2006 7:18:49 AM EDT

[#37]

Quoted:
I'm looking forward to seeing it.

ANY government or political party can become corrupt and become a Totalitarian Regime. It really would NOT matter if it was Facist or Communist. They both suck. The GOP woshipers should get their heads out of their asses. Who cares if a Republican or a Democrat or a Pink Fluffy Bunny Rabbit takes your freedom? Either way it is wrong and the end result is the same. Personally I like movies that broach this subject.

Like in most things the truth is someplace in between. Trusting any politician is INSANE. The Bush Administration has done quite a bit to curb freedom in this country. So did the Clinton Administration. They both blatantly IGNORE the constitution. Though I am ceratinly happier with Bush than I would have been with Gore or Kerry. Bush is evil, but Gore and Kerry were even more evil. I think the last decent pres. we had was Regean. I'm too young to remember much about him, but from what I read I wish we had another one.

But please stop making excuses for the current administration, they are NOT as bad as the previous one but they are not much better either. They are politicians therefore they want MORE power. It really doesn't matter if they lean to the right or left does it? More government power means less FREEDOM for us serfs.

I think ANY movie that gets people to think about freedom issues, and standing up to ANY oppresive government is important! I could care less if an oppresive regime is Right, Left or PURPLE. Get over the GOP woshiping, they can become authoritatian just as easilly as a liberal scumbag. I think it took some balls to make a movie like this after 911. I could care less if one of the makers wants to get his nuts cut off and be a chick. As long as my nuts stay where they are who cares?

QFC.

Posted: 3/18/2006 7:38:11 AM EDT

[#38]

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I'm looking forward to seeing it.

ANY government or political party can become corrupt and become a Totalitarian Regime. It really would NOT matter if it was Facist or Communist. They both suck. The GOP woshipers should get their heads out of their asses. Who cares if a Republican or a Democrat or a Pink Fluffy Bunny Rabbit takes your freedom? Either way it is wrong and the end result is the same. Personally I like movies that broach this subject.

Like in most things the truth is someplace in between. Trusting any politician is INSANE. The Bush Administration has done quite a bit to curb freedom in this country. So did the Clinton Administration. They both blatantly IGNORE the constitution. Though I am ceratinly happier with Bush than I would have been with Gore or Kerry. Bush is evil, but Gore and Kerry were even more evil. I think the last decent pres. we had was Regean. I'm too young to remember much about him, but from what I read I wish we had another one.

But please stop making excuses for the current administration, they are NOT as bad as the previous one but they are not much better either. They are politicians therefore they want MORE power. It really doesn't matter if they lean to the right or left does it? More government power means less FREEDOM for us serfs.

I think ANY movie that gets people to think about freedom issues, and standing up to ANY oppresive government is important! I could care less if an oppresive regime is Right, Left or PURPLE. Get over the GOP woshiping, they can become authoritatian just as easilly as a liberal scumbag. I think it took some balls to make a movie like this after 911. I could care less if one of the makers wants to get his nuts cut off and be a chick. As long as my nuts stay where they are who cares?

QFC.

I'm having a brain fart what does QFC mean? BTW like your sig line!

Posted: 3/18/2006 7:39:32 AM EDT

[#39]

Quoted for clarity.

Posted: 3/18/2006 7:46:53 AM EDT

[#40]

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Fascism still allows for private ownership of economy, Communism doesn't. Therein lies your difference.

I did not say that there was no difference. Of course there is a difference, but they are still both leftist.

You can't be "Leftist" and have private ownership of economy, friend.

Yes you can, "friend". Socialism is leftist. Barbara Boxer is leftist. Ted Kennedy is leftist.

Posted: 3/18/2006 9:51:55 AM EDT

[#41]

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upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4c/Pournelle_chart_color.gif

That's the most retarded chart I have ever seen. It's a twisted perversion of another political attitudes graph I've seen. I'm rational, and nationalistic. That makes me a communist? According to that chart, yes.

The chart says Communists are dangerous-but-good. That tells you everything you need to know about the mindset of the chart creator.

Posted: 3/18/2006 9:54:56 AM EDT

[#42]

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upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4c/Pournelle_chart_color.gif

That's the most retarded chart I have ever seen. It's a twisted perversion of another political attitudes graph I've seen. I'm rational, and nationalistic. That makes me a communist? According to that chart, yes.

The chart says Communists are dangerous-but-good. That tells you everything you need to know about the mindset of the chart creator.

I think that was saying that the Communists think the state is dangerous but good, unless I am reading it wrong.

Posted: 3/18/2006 9:59:52 AM EDT

[#43]

Does the movie talk about Guy Fawkes at all? He's the guy who originally tried to blow up the English parliament and royal family in the 1600s, and who the mask is modeled after...

Posted: 3/18/2006 10:15:21 AM EDT

[#44]

Screw it, I'm going to see it this evening.

I'll make up my own mind I guess. You guys can't seem to agree..

...hope I'm not supporting some leftist movie

Posted: 3/18/2006 10:19:38 AM EDT

[#45]

Quoted:
Screw it, I'm going to see it this evening.

I'll make up my own mind I guess. You guys can't seem to agree..

...hope I'm not supporting some leftist movie

buy a ticket for something innocuous around the same time, like "march of the penguins." that's what i'm gonna do!

Posted: 3/18/2006 10:23:59 AM EDT

[#46]

Quoted:

Your lack of knowledge of the events of 1776 are shocking, especially given your username.

The colonials were fighting a War od Independance. In NO WAY was it a revolution.

The colonials were quite happy with the old ways; in fact they fought to keep them. They were rebelling against outside control, not against the system, which had been in place for almost 100 years already.

End thread hijack.

Yeah, that pic of the suicide vest was nice.

I'm sure it will inspire many arabs to strap bombs on themselves and head for the nearest Tel Aviv shopping mall or US military checkpoint in Iraq. Or Earth Firsters to bomb a mall right here.

And of course they will find a way to rationalize anyone they kill as an Enemy not an Innocent.

This film is poison and about what we can expect from the demented idiots in Hollywood.

YOU SIR, ARE AN IDIOT

Posted: 3/18/2006 10:29:15 AM EDT

[#47]

Quoted:
Quoted:

Your lack of knowledge of the events of 1776 are shocking, especially given your username.

The colonials were fighting a War od Independance. In NO WAY was it a revolution.

The colonials were quite happy with the old ways; in fact they fought to keep them. They were rebelling against outside control, not against the system, which had been in place for almost 100 years already.

End thread hijack.

Yeah, that pic of the suicide vest was nice.

I'm sure it will inspire many arabs to strap bombs on themselves and head for the nearest Tel Aviv shopping mall or US military checkpoint in Iraq. Or Earth Firsters to bomb a mall right here.

And of course they will find a way to rationalize anyone they kill as an Enemy not an Innocent.

This film is poison and about what we can expect from the demented idiots in Hollywood.

YOU SIR, ARE AN IDIOT

No, he's not. Not only is he mostly correct, he also knows how to deactivate his capslock key.

Posted: 3/18/2006 10:38:37 AM EDT

[#48]

Quoted:
Does the movie talk about Guy Fawkes at all? He's the guy who originally tried to blow up the English parliament and royal family in the 1600s, and who the mask is modeled after...

Yes, the main character is motivated by Fawkes failed attempt and intends to follow the plan through. However he has his own real grievances with the government.

Posted: 3/18/2006 10:42:46 AM EDT

[#49]

Guy Fawkes is quite prominently featured in the movie, although the movie inaccurately depicts Fawkes as being hanged when in fact he was hanged, drawn & quartered (ala Braveheart style).

Posted: 3/18/2006 10:45:59 AM EDT

[#50]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:

Your lack of knowledge of the events of 1776 are shocking, especially given your username.

The colonials were fighting a War od Independance. In NO WAY was it a revolution.

The colonials were quite happy with the old ways; in fact they fought to keep them. They were rebelling against outside control, not against the system, which had been in place for almost 100 years already.

End thread hijack.

Yeah, that pic of the suicide vest was nice.

I'm sure it will inspire many arabs to strap bombs on themselves and head for the nearest Tel Aviv shopping mall or US military checkpoint in Iraq. Or Earth Firsters to bomb a mall right here.

And of course they will find a way to rationalize anyone they kill as an Enemy not an Innocent.

This film is poison and about what we can expect from the demented idiots in Hollywood.

YOU SIR, ARE AN IDIOT

No, he's not. Not only is he mostly correct, he also knows how to deactivate his capslock key.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but a capslock is meant to signify a yell on the internets right? I did that intentionally you moron.

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