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Posted: 3/4/2006 4:57:47 AM EDT
[#1]
you have to register weapons in MI?
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Posted: 3/4/2006 5:08:37 AM EDT
[#2]
God Bless Angel Shamaya!
He has made himself a target protecting our rights and we all owe him big. |
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Posted: 3/4/2006 5:09:47 AM EDT
[#3]
Yeah, WTF??? We don't do that here in GA!! |
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Posted: 3/4/2006 5:28:08 AM EDT
[#4]
Unregistered pistol i bet.
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Posted: 3/4/2006 5:32:44 AM EDT
[#5]
I live in Texas and don't know what an "unregistered pistol" is. 
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Posted: 3/4/2006 5:32:51 AM EDT
[#6]
I don't get it. Does he live in Michigan? If so, it is retardedly easy to get a greensheet on your pistols, and he should know that. If he is not a Michigan resident, he is not required to get a greensheet on his pistols.
Nobody seems to know the actual charges yet. I really doubt that this only has to do with the pistol registrations. We'll see... |
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Posted: 3/4/2006 5:34:24 AM EDT
[#7]
If you're going to be an outspoken proponent of firearms, you best have all your ducks in a row. If you're a quiet nobody, that's one thing... but he should have known he was on everyone's radar.
That's a shame. |
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Posted: 3/4/2006 8:31:15 AM EDT
[#8]
Just because complying with their edicts is "retardedly easy" doesn't mean someone as committed to KABA freedoms as Mr. Shamaya would do it. It was "retardedly easy" to register "assault weapons" in 1999 in California. Many did not ... ON PRINCIPLE. |
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Posted: 3/4/2006 8:50:26 AM EDT
[#9]
Good for you! But are you going to be suprised when you get hauled off for not registering that chrome-plated Mini-14? Pointless gestures are just that: pointless. Again, unless Mr.Shamaya was a resident of Michigan, I don't believe that he was not under any legal obligation to 'register' any firearms with the MSP. Also, Michigan grants full reciprocity to any CPL/CCW from any state, so assumming he had a CCW, he was OK to carry. We'll see. No useful information is out there yet. |
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Posted: 3/4/2006 8:58:23 AM EDT
[#10]
No. And I won't be surprised to see many gun owners ask what the big deal about "registering" guns is. Some people in the fight understand that we can't continue to give in to their incrementalism. Some do not. My line has long since been crossed. Your line is apparently in a different place. |
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Posted: 3/4/2006 9:02:04 AM EDT
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Someple people understand the difference between 'pointless posturing' and 'productive campaigning'. In the past decade, 'incrementalism' has gained me: 1) The end of the AWB. 2) Shall-issue CCW. 3) Transferrable machineguns. What has your position gained you and yours in California? |
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Posted: 3/4/2006 9:02:18 AM EDT
[#12]
That's what pisses me off about the patchwork of state gun laws. You can be totally legal, drive 20 minutes across the border, and all of a sudden be committing a felony, all without knowing it.
Hell, it takes a lot of study to be up on every nuance of every gun law in the lower 48. In fact, I do believe I know someone who has recently traveled to Michigan, knowing that his/her concealed carry permit was honored there, who didn't register anyhthing because they didn't know anything about it. And no, it was not me. This is disgusting. Hell I know one good ole boy (a different one, and a little bit naive, but nevertheless) who had a gun under his car seat when driving from NY State into Canada for a day trip and he got thrown in jail for tryingi to "smuggle" guns into Canada :-/ Granted, poor judgement, but wouldn't some consistency be nice... |
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Posted: 3/4/2006 9:04:00 AM EDT
[#13]
I imagine he'll have a tough time getting any help from the NRA.
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Posted: 3/4/2006 9:04:15 AM EDT
[#14]
There is nothing to register if you are in MI with a CPL from another state. All you need is your CPL. |
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Posted: 3/4/2006 9:05:44 AM EDT
[#15]
There are different lines for different parts of the country. It's one thing not to register an AW that you hide in the back of your closet for a SHTF scenario it's a completely different thing to not register your pistol in Michigan when you carry it on your person on a daily basis. If you can be busted for failure to comply with the law on a daily basis you better believe the line is drawn in a different place. |
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Posted: 3/4/2006 9:08:38 AM EDT
[#16]
I like to camp in MI, and last year I brought my AR and my 9mm, so I could shoot at the campsite range.......do I need to register them somehow because I am travelling on MI roads? |
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Posted: 3/4/2006 9:08:52 AM EDT
[#17]
Tomislav,
You should know where their position has gotten them in California. No where. However, is that all their fault. What have members of other states done to help those in California? My guess would be that 8 out of 10 on this site have done nothing for anyone outside of their state. |
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Posted: 3/4/2006 9:11:32 AM EDT
[#18]
Well when they make comments like "While National Rifle Association officials were busy denying that they'd been orchestrating a sellout in the U.S. Senate" it's not suprising. The NRA should stay away from tin foil nut jobs. It's amazing how many people trash the NRA and then when they go and get themselves in trouble they expect the NRA to come in on a white horse to save them. |
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Posted: 3/4/2006 9:17:30 AM EDT
[#19]
Nope. Just remember to keep the rifles unloaded while in the vehicle. |
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Posted: 3/4/2006 9:18:16 AM EDT
[#20]
That was my point dude ... he's been an NRA hater for a long time. |
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Posted: 3/4/2006 9:33:40 AM EDT
[#21]
No. As a resident of another state, you don't have to register anything. In Michigan, the greensheet is a proof of legal ownership. If you don't have a carry permit, you have to have it unloaded and locked in a box either in the trunk or in a place where it is not readily accessible. |
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Posted: 3/4/2006 11:47:32 AM EDT
[#22]
Those who actually believe the right to keep and bear arms is inalienable and are offended by permits, licenses, and other restrictions are "tin foil nut jobs?" I haven't heard Angel clamoring for help from the NRA. Please point me to such requests. |
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Posted: 3/4/2006 11:49:19 AM EDT
[#23]
God bless your benevolent masters. |
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Posted: 3/4/2006 1:36:19 PM EDT
[#24]
"What are you worried about? Just wear your fucking Yellow Star you stupid Jew. " What is the difference? So what if it is a blatant infringement on a protected Right. So what if it goes against all principle. Just do as your told and don't expect any help from people like you when the Government decides they've had enough of you... Is that what you are saying? "None but an armed nation can dispense with a standing army. To keep ours armed and disciplined is therefore at all times important." --Thomas Jefferson to -----, 1803. ME 10:365 First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me. Pastor Martin Niemöller Now they are coming for the gun owners. Those who don't submit to asking permission to exercise a Right. Those who may have forgot, or were not even required to grease the right plam of some government flunky or another. But that isn't you... so go back to sleep until simple registered and licensed possession is outlawed. Hopefully there will still be someone left that will come to your aid as well... |
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Posted: 3/4/2006 1:37:33 PM EDT
[#25]
Move to Hawaii like me and you learn what registration means really quick. Its very un-Texas like here. |
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Posted: 3/4/2006 1:45:44 PM EDT
[#26]
What victories with RKBA can you and yours claim? Because the NRA, and a 'incremental' approach, has been pretty darned effective at restoring RKBA around the country. You're just sore because you live in a lost-cause of a state. (Even if there are some great restaurants out there!) |
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Posted: 3/4/2006 1:48:34 PM EDT
[#27]
To put it politely, you are nuts. |
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Posted: 3/4/2006 2:11:20 PM EDT
[#28]
You are not the first to think so. However, I'm also right. If the government is allowed to hang on to the power it has stolen, how long before people start getting loaded into box cars? Don't say it can't happen here. It can. It can happen anywhere the people fall asleep at the wheel and let the government get too big for its britches. And it starts with shit like this.... |
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Posted: 3/4/2006 4:37:38 PM EDT
[#29]
You think "shall-issue CCW" is an expansion of a right? That's not the case at all. The very requirement to go to the government for permission to carry means you have fully acknowledged that carrying a weapon is a government-granted privilege, currently granted, but rescindable at their whim. Get a "green sheet" for a pistol? Same thing. All they have to do is stop issuing green sheets. Where are you then? You're right. California is a lost cause. But I'm not sore about it. What hurts is good Americans and gun owners without a clue as to the onerous nature of their so-called "good" gun control laws. I don't seek government permission to exercise a right. |
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Posted: 3/4/2006 5:29:59 PM EDT
[#30]
I specifically stated 'restoring' our RKBA, not 'expanding'. |
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Posted: 3/4/2006 5:44:32 PM EDT
[#31]
Oh. Okay. Asking for permission to keep and carry is not expansion of a right or restoration of a right or whatever you want to call it, because we're not talking about rights when licenses or permits or registrations are involved. If you had to get a license or permit to have a child, yould you get one? If you had to get a license or permit to buy food, would you get one? If you had to get a license or permit to buy land would you get one? If you had to get a license or permit to post to AR-15.COM's forums would you get one? |
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Posted: 3/4/2006 7:07:08 PM EDT
[#32]
David Codrea says:
I just got off the phone with Angel Shamaya. He's out. He's charged with 4 counts misdemeanor possession of unregistered firearms and 1 frivolous, unwarranted, vindictive count of misdemeanor menacing. I know we all want more, especially with the last charge, but for now, we must defer to Angel's need to protect his legal rights. I know the background of the circumstances, but my advice to Angel is to not make a public statement about that without advice of counsel. Those who know me will trust me when I say that I am convinced Angel has been made a victim here. Here is a statement from Angel that I can release at this time: To all the people expressing support or concern, just knowing that you are aware of my situation made it easier to bear. I do have legal representation thanks to the Second Amendment Foundation, to whom I am grateful. Alan Gottlieb and his team moved swiftly and deftly to secure counsel for me, the result of which got me out much sooner than I would have been able to do on my own. |
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Posted: 3/5/2006 5:07:29 AM EDT
[#33]
Good news that they let him out. Utter bullshit charges. Criminalizing the simple possession of a firearm is no part of a free country. The only crime being committed here is by government agents. |
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Posted: 3/5/2006 5:13:00 AM EDT
[#34]
keepandbeararms.com/news/nl/read_comments.asp?nl=55265605632933&tmpD=03%2F04%2F2006
Comment by: Angel Shamaya (3/4/2006) "not even a hint about what this is all about." Need rest first. "What you say can and will be used against you in a court of law." Patience, please? Just spent too much time in mini hell. OK? "...but now I know that he is a convicted felon..." Who said I am a convicted felon? Where? (Not!) More later. Need sleep. Much is happening. If justice exists in Michigan, I shall prevail. This legal battle was brought to my doorstep, literally. I didn't go looking for this. But I will have my say in court before it's done. Vindictive, dishonest, disturbed people risked having me killed by local machinegunners in Kevlar who looked like part of the ground assault team at Waco. If that makes you happy, don't help me. --AS |
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Posted: 3/5/2006 5:48:12 AM EDT
[#35]
tag
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Posted: 3/5/2006 2:50:11 PM EDT
[#36]
He is out.
He was charged with four counts of misdemeanor possession of unregistered firearms and one count of misdemeanor menacing. |
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Posted: 3/5/2006 2:56:31 PM EDT
[#37]
Screw him. He must have done something wrong....
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Posted: 3/5/2006 3:02:35 PM EDT
[#38]
And....
....Siberian prison camps for all of 'em.  |
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Posted: 3/5/2006 3:06:18 PM EDT
[#39]
Ex-wife is the one that phoned in the complaint. |
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Posted: 3/5/2006 3:18:20 PM EDT
[#40]
Another reason not to get married.....or divorced. |
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Posted: 3/5/2006 3:23:59 PM EDT
[#41]
Yeah... from Keepandbeararms.com thread on this, Angel said he moved to Michigan to be closer to his son. The Ex found out and called the cops on him. Bogus charges followed. Not guilty plea filed on all counts. I've already sent $50 to the SAF folks with a note to Allen to put it towards Angels defense fund. |
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Posted: 3/6/2006 12:13:21 AM EDT
[#42]
Not registered where? |
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Posted: 3/6/2006 12:37:49 AM EDT
[#43]
California. |
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Posted: 3/6/2006 12:48:39 AM EDT
[#44]
Tag for info
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Posted: 3/6/2006 3:24:15 AM EDT
[#45]
Same here except VA |
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Posted: 3/6/2006 7:06:30 AM EDT
[#46]
A mini-14 has to be registered? I thought the lack of a pistol grip meant it wasn't one that required it. (not talking about the 4473) |
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Posted: 3/6/2006 7:27:09 AM EDT
[#47]
You sound a little like the friends of Job . "Musta done something wrong ." brought it all on himself I suppose . Throw away the key . 
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Posted: 3/6/2006 12:59:43 PM EDT
[#48]
I dunno. I was just poking fun at whatshisname, who saw fit to comment on Michigan gun laws. The CA law has something to do with accepting a 10+round mag and maybe having another 'evil' component? |
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Posted: 3/7/2006 8:32:27 PM EDT
[#49]
Yep. The whole collection of laws here on firearms will get your head spinning.
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