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Posted: 2/15/2006 10:35:14 AM EDT
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Everyday, the government is telling us more and more what we can and can't do. The giant government dick is coming at our asses without lube much less a kiss on the back of the neck. Worse yet, hardly anyone is doing anything to stop it.
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Posted: 2/15/2006 10:36:09 AM EDT
[#2]
Its not over the counter is it? that would be great.
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Posted: 2/15/2006 10:37:00 AM EDT
[#3]
Good greif.
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Posted: 2/15/2006 10:38:22 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/15/2006 10:41:27 AM EDT
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Good news.
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Posted: 2/15/2006 10:41:58 AM EDT
[#6]
Over the counter? What would happen if everyone started putting abortion pills on layaway as fast as they could. The shelves would be empty for a period of time which would be good. Then just before times up and they've restocked their shelves go get your money back and stick Wal-Mart with a huge stock just waiting to expire. With their computerized inventory tracking wouldn't it appear to be a money loser and they'd no longer stock it?? Shok |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 10:42:34 AM EDT
[#7]
Morning after pill is a good idea since it would prevent abortions later on.
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Posted: 2/15/2006 10:42:47 AM EDT
[#8]
Good.
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Posted: 2/15/2006 10:43:10 AM EDT
[#9]
they are not abortion pills, you are thinking of RU486, this just prevents pregnancy like a condom or birth control pill. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 10:44:20 AM EDT
[#10]
can people try to start a fight any more?
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Posted: 2/15/2006 10:46:40 AM EDT
[#11]
I don't understand why its not everywhere.
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Posted: 2/15/2006 10:47:24 AM EDT
[#12]
so much for free enterprise for those wanting to have a business.
can't wait until Walmart is ordered to take out the Bibles they sell in the book department and replace them with pornography to enlighten the children. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 10:49:43 AM EDT
[#13]
You don't feel it there already??!! 
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Posted: 2/15/2006 10:49:46 AM EDT
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If you want to practice pharmacy in a state, you must abide by the law and directives of the board of pharmacy in that state. I am glad that states are still able to make such decisions for themselves, instead of Congress butting in (again) where it has no business.
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Posted: 2/15/2006 10:50:03 AM EDT
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No one gets it. Since when the fuck does the governement have a right to tell a private company what they can and cannot sell?
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Posted: 2/15/2006 10:50:21 AM EDT
[#16]
Doctors and pharmacies are licensed and regulated by the government...what is one more regulation requiring a pharmacy to do exactly what they are supposed to do? If Wal-Mart doesn't like the government regulations they can get rid of their pharmacy and they won't have to deal with it. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 10:51:23 AM EDT
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Exactly! What kind of precedent is this? Think about it... and it has nothing to do with your feelings on abortions or birth control or anything else... The government ordering a store to sell something.  |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 10:51:48 AM EDT
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It doesn't really matter. The company can decide who to sell to and who not to sell to. "Sorry, we are only selling this pill to people over 80." |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 10:54:39 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/15/2006 10:55:23 AM EDT
[#20]
It can, and often times does, do more than just prevent the fertilization of an egg. In many cases the embryo is prevented from attaching to the uterus. The embryo dies and in affect is an abortion. So, "abortion pill" is an accurate description. Shok |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 10:57:17 AM EDT
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Dusty....I couldnt agree with you more in your sentiment, but the fact is that because its a pharmacy, it is regulated. Grocery stores go through the same thing....they cant just sell any old meat they want, it has to be inspected. I dont agree with all the regulation but I understand that it has its place. Unfortunately, this type of thing is exactly what aclimates people to the idea of government interference in our lives...and this is how they manage to get involved in so many places they dont belong, trying to regulate our private lives. For all the good the FDA or USDA does, there is a fine line between regulation and interference. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 10:58:06 AM EDT
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Of course this puts birth control pills in the same catagory. It is a tough line to draw. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 11:01:41 AM EDT
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Doesn't the Bible say " The life is in the blood."? and since there is no blood until the fetus is 5 weeks old, no life (per the Biblical definition) is aborted? |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 11:02:01 AM EDT
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Massachussetts, where all that is not banned is compulsory.
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Posted: 2/15/2006 11:03:12 AM EDT
[#25]
Actually, I think the word abortion refers to an aborted pregnancy and since the fetizlized egg is not implanted in the uterine lining (the def of pregnancy), then nothing actually gets aborted with the morning after pill. There was another pill that caused the uterine lining to shed and that could accurately be called an abortion pill, but not what is commonly called the morning after pill that prevents implantation. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 11:07:04 AM EDT
[#26]
The thread wasn't "how do we change government controls". If you want to do that you need to form a lobbying group, get members, build up funds, and hound the legislators. Until the laws are changed someone who is licensed and regulated by the government has two choices, comply or get out of the business. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 11:09:11 AM EDT
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Sperm attach to egg
 Egg is fertilized  4 cell embryo - 2 days  8 cells - 3 days  5 days - blastocyst stage  This is what is getting "aborted" It's a microscopic bundle of cells.  Source: http://www.hsc.wvu.edu/som/obgyn/wvucrm/art.htm |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 11:15:09 AM EDT
[#28]
Which minus your amoral interference to destroy it becomes this: What's your point? |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 11:17:27 AM EDT
[#29]
The grocery store/pharmacy analogy doesn't work. It is one thing to keep a grocery store from selling old/bad meat, it is an entirely different thing to force a pharmacy to carry a drug that they would not otherwise carry. This is forcing the store to spend capital that would normally be spent elsewhere on an item that they would rather not carry. It is akin to the government ordering a grocery store owned by muslims or orthodox jews that they must sell pork. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 11:18:41 AM EDT
[#30]
"THE PILL" does the same thing do you call that the abortion pill? "sweetie did you remember to take your abortion pill today?" 
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Posted: 2/15/2006 11:20:55 AM EDT
[#31]
My point is that if i scratch my arm and some dead skin comes off, it is more complex that that embryo. Oh and minus my amoral interference, it could also become this:  Or it could simply die before birth. The embryo might just stop dividing as well. Let me ask you something: Let's say you were in a clinic and there was a bucket full of frozen embryos (let's say 400 of them) sitting nearby. The building catches fire and you only have the opportunity to save one thing. Sitting next to the bucket is a toddler, all alone. Would you save the toddler, or the 400 embyos? I really hate argueing about this. But would you rather have some woman "abort" a few cells, or wait until it's already recognizable as a human being? My point is, abortions happen all the time. In other countries, and even here, "doctors" vacuum fetuses out of women. Babies have been born more premature than some of these fetuses and survived. How is removing a few cells equatable to removing a living fetus and killing it? If there is a simple pill to prevent such horrors from happening, why not embrace it? |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 11:25:19 AM EDT
[#32]
I agree, but forcing a privately-owned store to stock it or anything else for that matter is bullshit. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 11:26:09 AM EDT
[#33]
I agree with you on that. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 11:33:55 AM EDT
[#34]
It's a specious arguement. I'd rather not have her abort anything at all. Is this like your version of the BATFE parts requirement? Is there some number and configuration of parts required before it's a real person? Are you all knowing so that we only abort the Hitlers? ETA: While I can accept the notion that this is not yet a feeling being of any kind, the logic of it's fine at 5 days but wrong at 10 days escapes me. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 11:37:46 AM EDT
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I'd also rather have her not abort anything at all. And yes, there is a certain number of "parts" before something becomes human. If you believe otherwise, that is fine. I'm not trying to convince anyone. I am a scientific person. Are you all knowing that all abortions only abort the ones that turn out as cute little babies? Do you see now that this arguement can't work? I never should have used it. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 11:48:15 AM EDT
[#36]
But when your state tells their FFLs what they can and can not sell, you would be the first one up in arms about it. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 11:50:54 AM EDT
[#37]
They are free to surrender their pharmacy licenses. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 12:04:11 PM EDT
[#38]
They're not forcing anyone to do anything. By opening a pharmacy in that state, Walmart is implicitly agreeing to adhere to state guidelines regulating pharmacies. There is nothing that requires them to run a pharmacy, and company policy has shown a willingness to exclude products from certain stores based on geographical considerations. No guns in their NJ stores for example. I've said it before, I'll say it again. Difficulty in obtaining morning after pills WILL lead to over-the-counter sales of the things in the near future. Legislation of christian morality will once again fall from favor, and the backlash may very well end up costing ground for those who disagree with contraception. That's the pendulum of politics, and anyone who expects the pendulum to stop at it's apex is chasing moonbeams. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 12:07:02 PM EDT
[#39]
No. I'll post this and then get off it though. You may follow up as you like. You try to turn that argument around and it is just silly. You see one way would be at least justifiable. If you knew with certainty who would become a terrible killer and prevented thier birth (ignoring the side effects you could never predict) that would at least be understandable. The other way is non-sense. Abortion is ok because I don't know you won't be Hitler? You can't really use that as an arguement can you? My point was not what a baby looks like, it's that the belief that it is wrong doesn't stem from what an embryo looks like today. It stems from the fact that unless you act to kill it, it will become a human child. You can bring up still brth and SIDS and murderers and they are still unrelated to the arguement. Human embryos, on whole, become human babies. The process to make that happen begins when the cells combine. Left alone they will produce a child. On the subject of this thread, forcing them to carry a certain type of drug by order of some "official" is not my idea of a good outcome. If a pharmacy wants to carry it, and the drug is legal, so be it. If I demanded they carry the kind of heart-burn pills I wanted do you think the state would wade in and force them to.... should they? |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 12:11:43 PM EDT
[#40]
This is because anyone with an agenda hires the dick to fuck their agenda into other peoples lives. The government gladly helps, even when illegal, and thus their power and influence are increased. It also gives politico's something to say they did that was "good" or "positive for the community." What NOONE seems to realise is enforcing this type of shit with federal laws or "boards" is that it just gives way to more and more control. Really though, what do politicians always want more of? |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 12:16:10 PM EDT
[#41]
Very well said. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 12:20:24 PM EDT
[#42]
Yep, but the local Spartan Store does not have to stock 14 ounce cans of green beans if they do not want to |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 12:27:07 PM EDT
[#43]
Want the license, follow the regs. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 12:45:43 PM EDT
[#44]
Do we have the regs here in front of us. She "argued" not they absolutely do. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 12:45:57 PM EDT
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The reasoning behind this forced decision is this..
When a state doctor or councilor perscribes the morning after pill to a young woman( Young Girl) or a full grown woman, and that individual becomes ill or dies do to complications from using RU486 abortion pill. Then what will happen is that Walmart or what ever chain Pharmacy is forced to sell it by the state will be held liable for the sale of the product to the patient. Lets not forget that Wally World has deep pockets.. Also a parent could legally hold Wally World or major pharmacy liable for selling that product to their underage child without their conscent.. Can't wait to see that one will turn out in court. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 12:47:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/15/2006 12:51:38 PM EDT
[#47]
What they dont make those in China?
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Posted: 2/15/2006 12:52:54 PM EDT
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OK, so you own an auto shop that does oil changes and the like. You choose to carry and sell Castrol products - Syntec, GTX, etc. You have the appropriate required government licenses for this kind of business. So you then agree that the city/state/whomever granted the license can DEMAND that you also carry Mobil, Penzoil, and Quakerstate oils also. You, the business owner don't have a choice. You HAVE to carry Mobil and the rest. You are PROHIBITED by the government from only carrying one brand of motor oil. Your brother owns a gun shop. His interest is in "hunting" guns. He isn't interested in carrying or selling "Assault weapons", or concealable "Saturday Night Specials", or SASS type six-shooters. You have no problem with the ATF DEMANDING that your brother also carry the AR-15's, AK's, and compact pistols right? - because they regulate guns and he had to get a ATF license to sell them. Walmart also has a hardware department. You don't have a problem with local code enforcement DEMANDING that they carry at least 5 different types of hammers in their hardware department. The local sporting goods store carrys Louisville Slugger brand baseball bats. No problem with the .gov DEMANDING that they also carry Easton brand bats. Tee-ball and Softball bats too, not only baseball bats. The desires of the owner don't matter. The local hair salon has a license to operate also. So the issuing agancy now has to authority to DEMAND that the hair salon stock, and use upon request of the customer, certain brands or lines of hair care products. If not, then they are in violation of the law and are fined and shut down. If you don't have a problem with this, thats fine, but I don't think most of us would agree with you. If they don't carry the product you want, then take your fucking money someplace else! If you want the morning after pill and Walmart won't carry it, then go to CVS instead!  -K |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 12:54:25 PM EDT
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Alright.... I'll answer that for you. I'd take the toddler. He\she is here right now, and can feel pain. Your contrived choose only one scenario is not proving anything except people can make choices in life and death when forced to. I could create an equally useless argument for killing elderly folks by asking would you save a 2 year old girl or an 85 year old grandmother from a burning building if you could only save one? Does that really have anything to do with euthanasia? |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 12:55:32 PM EDT
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Whatever makes women looser I am all for.
Consequence free sex. oh yeah! |
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