Had some Mil Police from Green Hills today bring in a Glock 17T, 'cause they could not strip it for cleaning. It was clogged up with gold gotcha grease, and general shit, after going a long way between general maintenance.

A wierd gun, I had read about them, but did not even know they were in 'the system'. The RAAF use the Glock 17 as a JAP for aircrew etc.

The plastic lower is blue in colour, the slide is metal, and marked for FX ammo only. Special mags too.

For those of you, who don't know what I am gobbing off about, the 17T uses a special 9mm ctg, for trg purposes only. Its a paint ball gun, more or less. Gives a splat of dye on the 'enemy' for trg purposes.

I had a look down the bore (smaller than 9mm), and it was rifled, in the 'Glock' fashion. I am told its an excellent training aid for our Military Police.

Anyone know of any Agencies that use 'em in the USA or elsewhere.

These are used all over, but usually Departments have a conversion kit that converts normal duty weapons to fire the 9mm FX ammo. For pistols, the kit usually consists of a 9mm FX barrel, and sometimes other parts, like recoil springs or feed ramp extensions. The kits are designed so that they cannot chamber normal 9mm ammo as a safety measure. Long gun kits for MP5s (as I understand it) have replacement barrels. AR15 series kits have a complete 9mm upper (the Olympic system, I think) and plastic 9mm magazines.

It is a great training tool and it hurts a lot to take a hit. Teaches you how to do things through pain compliance-bad tactics hurt, so use good tactics. It also teaches you to take hits and keep going. The first time you get into a firefight with simunitions, you forget all of your training and do the classic mistakes from shootings; no use of sights, tunnel vision, etcetera. After training with them for a while, you remember the stuff you are supposed to do, and get a lot better.

Thanks for the info, Nat.

Civillians can't get 'em cuz they are for training. We are underserving of training that might save our lives, according to the powers that be.

Man I'd love to get one of those, or maybe just some of the FX ammo... that way I'd always know which squirels are mine.