picked one up yesterday and have to say so far i am well pleased with it.

first impressions....

overall seems to be fairly well built for what it is. mags insert and drop free easily and feed freely.

rail on top is plastic and physically part of the reciver. we will see how well it holds up with optics attached.

Trigger is crisp and breaks repeatedly at the same spot each time. Much better than expected

will need a fluff and buff on the frame i have found a few sharp edges that need to be removed.

barrell is threaded and i have installed an m16 flash hider i had lying around. threads do not index properly for them so a shim was used.

balences surprisingly well with 20rn mags. heavy but i have fired heavier pistols.

10rnd mag that is included is plastic and appears to be crap <like it will ever be used>

sights are standard v notch pistol sights on the rear and an ar15 style on front. rear sight is repositional on the top rail.

VERY!!!!! easy to strip and clean. appears that little lubrication is actually needed.

safety and mag release are both easily accesible and usable with trigger finger on right hand.


At the range....

I began using my handloads for my ar15's. they are 55gr milsurp pull down loads. the first 10 rounds ran flawless and i used them to zero my aimpoint on an 8" steel plate at the 100yard berm.

the second magazine <usgi 30rnd> began to have problems with 8 rounds not chmabering properly. i inormally only neck size my reloads and a quick inspection revealed this was the problem as this pistol appears to have a bit tighter chamber than my ar15's. Switching to factory ammo solved the problem. The next 250 rounds rand fine with zero failures. radip fire  was pretty neat with this gun. i was able to consistanly ring the plate with little effort.

recoil is practically non existant. Compared to another ar15 .223 pistol i have fired i would say it's about 1/2 the felt recoil.

Muzzell flash is impressive and i will say this gun is LOUD! i tried it with and without the a2 flash hider i put on and i noticed no percievable difference in noise but flash was reduced a good bit. <still a fair sized fireball.

Overall i am happy and impressed with it. The action feels smooth and solid and with quality ammo ran without failure. will be taking it out again monday and will put another 2-300 rounds through it and see how the reliability holds up without cleaning.

i was a little disappointed that it comes with v notch instead of a rear peep sight but after shooting it i have to say the v notch for me is probably a better option for off hand shooting.

i know several guys were interested in this gun hope this helps.

retail here is around 420.00

keltec is supposed to have the forgrips, break, and sling adapter out in january. I also saw a report wher they will be shipping some fully loaded with all the accesories included later this year.

because that lot of brass was only fired in my ar and it's never been an issue outside of that gun before. those were blasting rounds not battlefield ammo.

Quoted: Quoted: retail here is around 420.00 keltec is supposed to have the forgrips, break, and sling adapter out in january. I also saw a report wher they will be shipping some fully loaded with all the accesories included later this year. Stink on shit.

thanks for that deep thought

Quoted: Quoted: ... Overall i am happy and impressed with it... I guess that means I won't get the chance to trade you out of it, then?... (Thanks for the range report BTW.)

got it through a buddy that is my local ffl. i feel like he got a me a good deal. i was told retail for the base gun will be 420-450.00. about 400.00 cheaper than bushies carbon 15 pistol and i think this is more comfortable to shoot. but that is just my opinion.

only time will tell on durability so far i think it's a decent gun for what it is in the 400ish price range.

soon as i get paid the handguard is on order. so far it's been to the range twice and i like it more everytime i shoot it.

about 40.00

Quoted: who is carrying these?

should be easy to find. my local ffl had 4 yesterday.

so far i am more than pleased with relibility and accuracy. my plan is after 500 or rounds with zero issues lube or cleaning to replace the carbine in my trunck with this. It's much easier to carry in and out of the house at night, easier to conceal in the vehicle, and easier to manuever inside or outside the car.

loaded with tap ammo it should be a decent car gun for SHTF, will have enough power for the occasional coyote or other vermin roaming the roads and with a few 30rnd mags would be a car jackers worst nightmare .

and if that doesn't pan out..... it's evil and fun

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I want one. Might be enough motivation to actually apply for Suffolk County's  lame ass permit to own for a pistol. Sorry bud, that there is a baby-killing assault pistol here in our fair state: (c) a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following characteristics: (i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip; (ii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer; (iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned; (iv) a manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; Oh, but it's so close ;)  I wonder if permanently attaching a thread protector or grinding off the threads would get rid of one of the evil features. Then it would just be the weight that causes the problem. The thing is only 1 ounce over. You could easily find that amount of weight and eliminate it somewhere, but I suppose the "manufactured weight" statement precludes drilling holes in the thing. I wonder if Kel-tec would make one a hair lighter without the threads. They seem to have a history of accomodating the ban states with the SU-16 series. Mike

there is a good bit of plstic that could easily be ground off to remove an ounce or so.