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Posted: 7/30/2001 12:53:58 PM EDT
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But LOTS of those new buyers can only legally buy/own ten round mags. More for us!
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Posted: 7/30/2001 12:56:48 PM EDT
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Quoted: But LOTS of those new buyers can only legally buy/own ten round mags. More for us! How do you figure that one? |
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Posted: 7/30/2001 1:03:44 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: But LOTS of those new buyers can only legally buy/own ten round mags. More for us! How do you figure that one? Maybe they live in Kommifornia, MD, or a few other police states? |
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Posted: 7/30/2001 1:06:35 PM EDT
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Devil's Advocate
Nuts There are a Cajillion of them out there and more in every armory in every town in the US! The prices have been coming down for six months. |
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Posted: 7/30/2001 1:19:05 PM EDT
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Bud,
Maryland sucks, but we can OWN any AR-15 magazine, including a Beta-C 100 round dual drum magazine. We can't BUY any mag over 20 rounds in this state, but that doesn't stop anyone from driving to a Free State like VA or PA and buying a proper size magazine. |
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Posted: 7/30/2001 1:19:10 PM EDT
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About the above.
There are several states that do not allow the importation of high capacity magazines. After a certain date. Last year I think. California New Jersey And a few others |
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Posted: 7/30/2001 1:21:53 PM EDT
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Quoted: Sure, the math is flawed. Some people won't buy 12 mags, but others will buy 20 or 30. If the ban sunsets, and they don't pass a new one, we may be OK. Don't count on it though. That's why I fall into your latter group, although 30 is a little low... [img]http://wsphotofews.excite.com/029/JU/YN/k7/Vu72991.jpg[/img] |
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Posted: 7/30/2001 1:25:49 PM EDT
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[img]http://wsphotofews.excite.com/029/JU/YN/k7/Vu72991.jpg[/img]
*sniff* *sniff* something I can never legally own [>(] damn you Canada! |
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Posted: 7/30/2001 1:32:25 PM EDT
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Quoted: and more in every armory in every town in the US! but even if they are the pre-94 ones we need, didn't clinton say that no more pre-94s could be surplused to civilians? I mean if Joe Blow National guard works in an arms room and his co tells him to get rid of a bunch of old mags, and he does so by filling the bed of a pickup with them, perfect. as long as they are pre94 and unmarked theres no proof where they came from. |
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Posted: 7/30/2001 1:35:48 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Sure, the math is flawed. Some people won't buy 12 mags, but others will buy 20 or 30. If the ban sunsets, and they don't pass a new one, we may be OK. Don't count on it though. That's why I fall into your latter group, although 30 is a little low... [img]http://wsphotofews.excite.com/029/JU/YN/k7/Vu72991.jpg[/img] Gus you better start buying more as that's a rookie attempt at stockpiling[:P] pics to follow..... |
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Posted: 7/30/2001 1:41:11 PM EDT
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Quoted: Gus you better start buying more as that's a rookie attempt at stockpiling[:P] pics to follow..... Oh I know - but then again, I've added another 30 or so since that pic was taken, and I'll be adding a C-Mag soon. Still, I can't hang with some of you "big dog" magaholics.....BTW - ever seen any like these? [img]http://wsphotofews.excite.com/025/yk/nm/pu/h787278.jpg[/img] [8D] |
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Posted: 7/30/2001 1:45:58 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Gus you better start buying more as that's a rookie attempt at stockpiling[:P] pics to follow..... Oh I know - but then again, I've added another 30 or so since that pic was taken, and I'll be adding a C-Mag soon. Still, I can't hang with some of you "big dog" magaholics..... [8D] rome was not built in a day an neither is a mag collection. keep buying when ever you can afford it & you'll be right there with the big dogs[:D] |
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Posted: 7/30/2001 1:57:13 PM EDT
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You also have to consider even though that there are new buyers of ARs and mags everyday, there are also those who already own, who are selling their mags and even their ARs for one reason or another.
Go to any decent gun show or browse the internet and you'll see hundreds and hundreds of AR mags for sale. Some at high prices, some at low. But they are available. And if it comes to the point where you can't find any mags. I'm sure there will be people like [b]gus[/b] with a large collection[:)] who may consider selling you a couple. He may charge you an arm and a leg, but the mags are still for available sale. It will be a helluva long time were it comes to a point where hi-cap AR mags are unavailable for sale at any price. |
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Posted: 7/30/2001 2:54:55 PM EDT
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Things gun related rarely dry up. They will always be available only the price will change.
Just like pre ban rifles, there is a finite number of pre ban mags out there. Pre ban rifles will always be available as people will sell them whether in estates or otherwise. |
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Posted: 7/30/2001 2:59:15 PM EDT
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One thing you need to consider is many AR owners own more then one and don't always buy 12 mags for EACH rifle, or course some do.
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Posted: 7/30/2001 3:09:56 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Gus you better start buying more as that's a rookie attempt at stockpiling[:P] pics to follow..... Oh I know - but then again, I've added another 30 or so since that pic was taken, and I'll be adding a C-Mag soon. Still, I can't hang with some of you "big dog" magaholics.....BTW - ever seen any like these? [img]http://wsphotofews.excite.com/025/yk/nm/pu/h787278.jpg[/img] [8D] looks like standard 30rd mags package in bags from Vietnam? eastern europe? store them somewhere safe. |
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Posted: 7/30/2001 3:45:07 PM EDT
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Gus, where did you get the Vietnamese mags? Are those unused?
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Posted: 7/30/2001 4:03:59 PM EDT
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I myself don't think they will dry up any time in the near future. There are just to many floating around. Last show I went to I couldn't believe how many mags I saw! Stacks and stacks, mostly random contract mags, but many many colts. Although I am buying them up as fast as I can. I buy many of mine through the mail, not the best idea. R-Guns burned me on some Colts a month ago, these mags were barely serviceable, initials carved in them, some with paint etc.. Now I buy most of mine at shows. I'll slow down when I have a few hundred.[:)]
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Posted: 7/30/2001 4:13:53 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Gus you better start buying more as that's a rookie attempt at stockpiling[:P] pics to follow..... Oh I know - but then again, I've added another 30 or so since that pic was taken, and I'll be adding a C-Mag soon. Still, I can't hang with some of you "big dog" magaholics.....BTW - ever seen any like these? [img]http://wsphotofews.excite.com/025/yk/nm/pu/h787278.jpg[/img] [8D] Where did you come across those and who are they manufactured by? |
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Posted: 7/30/2001 4:14:12 PM EDT
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May have something there, I never thought M-14 mags would get scarce/pricey. Did not do the math on those. Just grabbed a few here and there through the years.
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Posted: 7/30/2001 4:20:13 PM EDT
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Quoted: Gus, where did you get the Vietnamese mags? Are those unused? They are brand new. When I first got them I asked about them in the mag forum: [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=22035[/url] Since then I have aquired two more of these mags from a completely different source, which I found on gunbroker.com. As far as I'm concerned the fact that there are more of them out there proves that they are legit NIW, not some repackaged fraud. My best guess after a lot of checking around is that they were made by Colt during the closing days of the war, with Vietnam being the direct customer (not going through the US military at all). The writing is definately Vietnamese, and the mags are otherwise standard Colt 30's except that the floor plates make no mention of caliber (no .223 or 5.56mm markings). Like I said, I now have four of them put away. BTW, I've only paid about $35 each for them so if all else fails, I paid market value for NIW Colt mags. |
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Posted: 7/30/2001 4:29:16 PM EDT
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I don't think you should be as concerned about the supply drying up as you should be about current and pending legislation banning the importation of hi-caps AND banning the sale and trade of pre-ban mags. This latest BS from the demorats is what will really shut down part of our beloved hobby.
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Posted: 7/30/2001 5:51:45 PM EDT
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well if their drying up it's because I'm buying them all[:D]
[img]http://wsphotofews.excite.com/027/m0/od/ww/nN59508.jpg[/img] [img]http://wsphotofews.excite.com/030/rw/nA/UA/nT21155.jpg[/img] |
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Posted: 7/30/2001 5:53:09 PM EDT
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you can get the 10/22 mags (at least it looks like there a few of those in the pic), brand new ones in fact from what I've heard about canada
Quoted: [img]http://wsphotofews.excite.com/029/JU/YN/k7/Vu72991.jpg[/img] *sniff* *sniff* something I can never legally own [>(] damn you Canada! |
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Posted: 7/30/2001 7:27:35 PM EDT
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NYshooter - after counting my mags, I think we are either neck and neck or I might be slightly ahead! That is if those are current pics.
Right now I have: 60 USGI (including Colts and the Viet mags) 36 Thermolds 8 Orlites 16 20 rounders Of course, I'm not done stockpiling yet (does it ever really end?). I currently have four guns to feed and there's always the possibility of more guns coming along too. Not that we're in competition, but just to show some of the non-magaholics how sick those of us with the disease really are! I think Troy said he had upwards of 1000! We're probably both small fish in this game.... [:D] |
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Posted: 7/30/2001 7:51:35 PM EDT
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here's the break down not including the several hundred mags I have for other firearms
AR15/M16 mags 5 niw usgi 30rd 20 95-100% usgi 30rd 30 60-90% usgi 30rd 23 50-95% usgi 20rd 20 orlites 30 thermolds 4 usa brand 30rd 2 90rd drums |
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Posted: 7/30/2001 8:37:26 PM EDT
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Quoted: *sniff* *sniff* something I can never legally own [>(] damn you Canada! The operative word being [b]legally[/b] . . . civil disobedience is becoming increasingly necessary for those with a bent toward liberty. I don't know if that exists in Canada or not. |
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Posted: 7/30/2001 9:21:09 PM EDT
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I agree at some point the preban 30s and 20s will dry up to an extent. I have always seeked the answer to just how many were made. Of course the Military uses them as considers them "throw aways" whether currently or back prior to '94.
But lbj kinda thinks that the figure of those made would astound us all. I would think as a guess 80 million at least prolly more. I would think it will take another 20yrs for all of them to hoarded and not offered for sale. Plus preban mags from all over the World will continually be smuggled in. Wanna insure any item is available like forever? Ban it. That insures people will smuggle and meet the demand. Wanna really lower the demand and supply? Legalize it. But most of us here know this. It ain't rocket science. |
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Posted: 7/30/2001 9:29:08 PM EDT
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I agree at some point the preban 30s and 20s will dry up to an extent. I have always seeked the answer to just how many were made. Of course the Military uses them as considers them "throw aways" whether currently or back prior to '94.
But lbj kinda thinks that the figure of those made would astound us all. I would think as a guess 80 million at least prolly more. I would think it will take another 20yrs for all of them to hoarded and not offered for sale. Plus preban mags from all over the World will continually be smuggled in. Wanna insure any item is available like forever? Ban it. That insures people will smuggle and meet the demand. Wanna really lower the demand and supply? Legalize it. But most of us here know this. It ain't rocket science. |
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Posted: 7/30/2001 9:35:04 PM EDT
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Shit I only have 10 mags I need to make a run over to FA soon dont I.
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Posted: 7/30/2001 10:31:27 PM EDT
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.......Troy has upwards of 1000.
Damn, there goes my self-esteem. Of course, now I dont feel guilty about my stash. AR mag #s: -85 NIW USGI 30s (various mfr. mostly parsons & center) -30 New, no wrap USGI 30s (Okay Ind.) -30 95%+ USGI 30s (various) -6 85-95% USGI 30s (various) -39 Colt 20s including around 15 of the earliest .223 marked mags (0-95%) -2 Adventureline 20s (85%) -1 Thermold 30 Total: 193 AR mags. That's sick. What's even sicker is now that I know I have about 193 AR mags, I'm going to have to come up with seven more to make that a nice even 200. Haha! |
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Posted: 7/30/2001 10:35:32 PM EDT
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Get more Thermolds!!
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Posted: 7/30/2001 11:05:24 PM EDT
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Here is my entire inventory.
[img]www.mcuzi.com/imbroglio/mag.jpg[/img] |
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Posted: 7/31/2001 1:30:44 AM EDT
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Quoted: here's the break down not including the several hundred mags I have for other firearms AR15/M16 mags 5 niw usgi 30rd 20 95-100% usgi 30rd 30 60-90% usgi 30rd 23 50-95% usgi 20rd 20 orlites 30 thermolds 4 usa brand 30rd 2 90rd drums Ok, ok, you're definately in the lead!!! Even discounting 4 targets (USA mags) you're well ahead. [:D] |
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Posted: 7/31/2001 2:25:14 AM EDT
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Hey Imbroglio, I feel like we need to sponsor you like those needy third world kids on TV.
[;)] |
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Posted: 7/31/2001 3:05:27 AM EDT
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Imbroglio - that's funny as all hell!! - and I love that member logo - what a hoot!!
Tate |
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Posted: 7/31/2001 3:58:35 AM EDT
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With guys like Gus and NYshooter, no wonder the Mags are drying up. They bought them all!
BTW Gus, those Viet mags are collector items. I too will look out to get some of those myself. |
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Posted: 7/31/2001 4:03:24 AM EDT
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M16 mags will never " dry up".
There are zillions out there. As time goes on they will go up in price. But somebody will always sell them for a price as long as someone else will pay. Didn't Saturday morning cartoons teach you anything about supply & demand? [8D] |
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Posted: 7/31/2001 5:14:40 AM EDT
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Quoted: About the above. There are several states that do not allow the importation of high capacity magazines. After a certain date. Last year I think. California New Jersey And a few others California... cannot buy new AR's, so they don't factor into the equation. Its like they aren't even part of the US as far as that goes. NJ- IIRC limited to 15 rounds, but you can put a block of wood in a 30 and its legal. What others? |
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Posted: 7/31/2001 6:03:12 AM EDT
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You all are forgetting that pre-94 mags are also importable from other countries.
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Posted: 7/31/2001 6:07:42 AM EDT
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I ran into a guy a few months back that told me he was sitting on 100,000 contract mags. Don't know for sure if he was telling the truth or BS'ing. May have to try to find him.
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Posted: 7/31/2001 6:44:59 AM EDT
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I just keep an eye out for AR mags at places that I wouldn't normally think to find them (like older gunshops that don't sell ARs). I've a modicum of success in finding mags this way, including a batch of 18 used mags I picked up for ~$2.75 each from a shop that just had them in the bottom of a box of stuff. I counted then out and asked the guy how much he wanted for all of them. When he said $50 you couldn't have blinked in the time it took for me to hand him the cash :)
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Posted: 7/31/2001 7:27:21 AM EDT
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Mags will never dry up. They will get smuggled in like drugs, or imported. How about getting the stamped ones marked for LEO only? I see those popping up all the time.
Also, you really think that those AK mags are really from 94? Boris just tells customs it is, and how are they going to prove otherwise? Carbon-date the whole bunch? Laws are made to be broken, and everyone here will be breaking laws in the future. c-rock |
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Posted: 8/1/2001 7:30:02 AM EDT
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Quoted: Laws are made to be broken, and everyone here will be breaking laws in the future. c-rock [purple] The only law that is being broken here by anyone is the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution of the U.S. It has been infringed(broken) by those who really deserve to be punished and serve time for.[/purple] |
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Posted: 8/1/2001 8:38:01 AM EDT
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C-rock hit the nail on the head. Post ban hi-cap mags are coming into this country every day - and that makes me happy [:)]
Tyler |
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Posted: 8/1/2001 9:00:23 PM EDT
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Quoted: .......Troy has upwards of 1000. That is decidedly untrue. I have less than 700, and less than 250 of them are AR mags... Now, once I move to free America, it shouldn't take too long to reach 1,000... [}:D] [b]BTW, note that mags are no longer "throw away" items in the military. Used mags are no longer being surplussed; they're being cut apart, crushed, or melted down. Mags are now signed out to soldiers, and must be returned or paid for. They WILL dry up. It will be a couple of years, but eventually they will go up in price like M14 mags (which used to be cheap and everywhere), and they'll stay up. Sure, you'll be able to find some, just like you can still find Glock or ParaOrd hi-caps, but it'll cost ya.[/b] -Troy |
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Posted: 8/1/2001 9:07:59 PM EDT
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Derek45 is right, as far as preban AR 30 round mags go, as long as no import ban goes into effect, there is a nearly inexhaustable supply out there. The military must have had tens of millions of them made. There are probably huge stockpiles of them in warehouses and armories all over the country.
And even if I'm dead wrong, how many do each of us need? I own at least 20 now! That's more than I can carry at any one time. Get some bandoleers! c-rock is right on the money also--we are all going to be law-abiding criminals soon enough. Hell, in NC you can now be arrested for selling glass tubing because it is "drug paraphernalia." What can't they do? |
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