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Posted: 8/27/2005 3:00:07 AM EDT
Los Angeles, Alta California - August 23, 2005 - (ACN) The USA mainstream media is "filtering" the news coming out of Iraq. It is not reporting on certain items deemed by the Pentagon to be detrimental to the morale of US troops or their families back home. Conspicuously absent are any reports on "Juba", a sniper who has been terrorizing US soldiers in Baghdad for months. Juba is the name given by US forces to a superbly trained insurgent sniper who has already killed at least 19 GI's including four US Marine snipers in one day.

No US soldier has ever seen Juba. They only hear one distinctive shot from a Tabuk sniper rifle (An Iraqi sniper rifle based on the Soviet Kalashnikov but fitted with a long barrel and a muzzle brake. It uses the 7.62mm Kalashnikov cartridge) and the next thing they see is another GI slumping down dead. The hit is usually to the head but Juba also aims at gaps in the GI's body armor. He has been known to hit his mark from 300 yards which is the length of three football fields. Juba takes only one shot and then disappears.

US troops who scramble to find Juba soon after he has struck find only his trademark that consists of a single 7.62mm Kalashnikov cartridge casing with a handwritten note. The note, in Arabic, says, "What has been taken in blood cannot be regained except by blood". The note is signed, "The Baghdad Sniper".

Juba is now a mythic hero to the Iraqi resistance. Word on the streets of Baghdad, from those who know Juba, is that his rifle is running out of space to add more "notches" that signify US occupation soldiers he has killed. Juba is now training an "elite" insurgent sniper squad that will target personnel coming in and out from Baghdad's Green Zone.

A particular worrisome development for USA based warmongers is a CIA intelligence report that says that a superbly trained Islamic sniper squad is on its way to the USA. According to the report, the Al-Ikhwan Al-Moslemoon (Muslim Brotherhood)is preparing to send a highly trained sniper squad to the USA that will target, at first, the lower and middle level leadership of the Islamophobic organizations that cater to the Zionists. This, we presume, includes the lackeys of the Zionists on radio and television. A few weeks ago, these puppets of Israel added insult to injury when they went on a vile tirade in support of the "toilet flushers" of the Holy Koran at Guantanamo. Many of these radio talk jockeys are not Jews but they act as mouthpieces for their employers who are. One of these virulent pundits for the Zionists said over the airwaves, "US soldiers at Guantanamo should have used the pages of the Koran to wipe their asses!"

La Voz de Aztlan received an e-mail from one of our subscribers in Saudi Arabia concerning the CIA report. Ali bin Ahmed bin Saleh Al-Fulani wrote that the Islamic sniper squad should include Congressman Tom Tancredo of the Colorado 6th Congressional District as one of its first targets. Tancredo recently made a public statement proposing that the USA "nuke" Mecca. "Nuke" means blasting a city with a nuclear bomb as was done to Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Mecca is Islam's holiest cities where millions of Muslims make a yearly religious pilgrimage. Ali added, "Instead of nuking the entire 6th congressional district and killing hundreds of thousands innocent civilians, a sniper should "nuke' Tancredo's ass with one 7.62mm Kalashnikov bullet hardened with depleted uranium!" Depleted uranium utilized in USA military projectiles has caused horrendous deformities in Iraqi babies.


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I doubt if this source is credible, but it's something to ponder anyway.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 3:08:12 AM EDT
[#1]
Here is another source

Elusive sniper saps US morale in Baghdad
Commanders weigh their options as 'Juba' notches up more kills

Rory Carroll in Baghdad
Friday August 5, 2005
The Guardian
www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1542824,00.html
They have never seen Juba. They hear him, but by then it's too late: a shot rings out and another US soldier slumps dead or wounded.
There is never a follow-up shot, never a chance for US forces to identify the origin, to make the hunter the hunted. He fires once and vanishes.

Juba is the nickname given by American forces to an insurgent sniper operating in southern Baghdad. They do not know his appearance, nationality or real name, but they know and fear his skill.

"He's good," said Specialist Travis Burress, 22, a sniper with the 1-64 battalion based in Camp Rustamiyah. "Every time we dismount I'm sure everyone has got him in the back of their minds. He's a serious threat to us."
Gun attacks occasionally pepper the battalion's foot and mounted patrols, but the single crack of what is thought to be a Tobuk sniper rifle inspires particular dread.

Since February, the killing of at least two members of the battalion and the wounding of six more have been attributed to Juba. Some think it is also he that has picked off up to a dozen other soldiers.

In a war marked by sectarian bombings and civilian casualties, Juba is unusual in targeting only coalition troops, a difficult quarry protected by armoured vehicles, body armour and helmets.

He waits for soldiers to dismount, or stand up in a Humvee turret, and aims for gaps in their body armour, the lower spine, ribs or above the chest. He has killed from 200 metres away.

"It was the perfect shot," the battalion commander, Lt Col Kevin Farrell, said of one incident. "Blew out the spine.

"We have different techniques to try to lure him out, but he is very well trained and very patient. He doesn't fire a second shot."

Some in the battalion want marksmen to occupy rooftops overlooking supply routes, Juba's hunting ground, to try to put him in the cross-hairs.

"It would be a pretty shitty assignment because he's good," said Spc Burress. "I think it's a sniper's job to get a sniper, and it'd probably take all of us to get him."

American snipers operate in teams of at least two people, a shooter and a spotter, the latter requiring more experience since he must use complicated formulae to calculate factors such as wind strength and drag coefficients.

Some worry that Juba is on his way to becoming a resistance hero, acclaimed by those Iraqis who distinguish between "good" insurgents, who target only Americans, and "bad" insurgents who harm civilians.

The insurgent grapevine celebrates an incident last June when a four-strong marine scout sniper team was killed in Ramadi, all with shots to the head.

Unlike their opponents, US snipers in Baghdad seldom get to shoot. Typically they hide on rooftops and use thermal imaging and night vision equipment to monitor areas. If there is suspicious activity, they summon aircraft or ground patrols.

"We are professionals. There is a line between a maniac with a gun and a sniper," said Mike, 31, a corporal with a reconnaissance sniper platoon who did not want to his surname to be used.

He spoke during a 24-hour mission on a roof during which his team ate junk food and urinated into a bottle. During daylight they lay on the ground, immobile, to avoid being seen. "It's not a glamorous life," he said.

There was no sign of Juba, who tended to operate further east, but the team spotted mortar flashes and fed the coordinates to base.

Mike said he had shot 14 people in Somalia, three in Afghanistan and one in Iraq. "It's not like you expect it to be, an emotional high. You just think about the wind, the range, then it's over with."

Sniper fire is only of the threats for an American military that has suffered heavy losses this week.

Yesterday another soldier was killed in Ramadi, west of Baghdad, adding to the 21 who died in attacks on Monday and Wednesday.

Roadside bombs account for most of the lives lost, and the size and design of the explosions has led investigators to conclude that the insurgents are learning bombmaking methods from other terrorist organisations.

Yesterday's New York Times reported that the techniques used by Hezbollah in Lebanon were increasingly being seen in roadside bombs in Iraq.

An unnamed senior American commander quoted by the paper said bombs using shaped charges closely matched the bombs that Hezbollah used against Israel.

"Our assessment is that they are probably going off to 'school' to learn how to make bombs that can destroy armoured vehicles," he said.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 3:09:29 AM EDT
[#2]
Smells like shit to me.  Might be true, anything could be, but it still reaks a little.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 3:23:44 AM EDT
[#3]
The first article sounds like bs... the second one sounds like actual reporting.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 3:25:20 AM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
The first article sounds like bs... the second one sounds like actual reporting.

Agreed, the second was posted after I hit reply so I don't feel so bad.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 3:26:03 AM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
Smells like shit to me.  Might be true, anything could be, but it still reaks a little.



Both of these sources would probably be considered more liberally leftist than most of the other media sources
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 3:41:11 AM EDT
[#6]
I think "Juba" fails to realize the hatred he would inspire for Muslims as a group in America if Islamic snipers suddenly showed up and started killing Americans.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 3:43:42 AM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
I think "Juba" fails to realize the hatred he would inspire for Muslims as a group in America if Islamic snipers suddenly showed up and started killing Americans.

yeah, didn't we do that once already?  I'm told most muslims hold a special place in the palm of their left hand for those guys.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 3:55:56 AM EDT
[#8]
Sounds like a desparate attempt to scare the US.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 3:58:31 AM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
Sounds like a desparate attempt to scare the US.

It'd qualify as a SHTF situation where anyone that shot any of these guys would probably get away with it.  So any of you crazy fuckers out there that think you look forward to shooting someone, then here's your chance.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 4:05:02 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Sounds like a desparate attempt to scare the US.

It'd qualify as a SHTF situation where anyone that shot any of these guys would probably get away with it.  So any of you crazy fuckers out there that think you look forward to shooting someone, then here's your chance.



YES!! SWEET!!

Send 2 to Kansas City please.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 4:13:18 AM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Sounds like a desparate attempt to scare the US.

It'd qualify as a SHTF situation where anyone that shot any of these guys would probably get away with it.  So any of you crazy fuckers out there that think you look forward to shooting someone, then here's your chance.



Does this mean we can start up local counter-sniper teams
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 4:19:22 AM EDT
[#12]
Sounds like a good excuse to take a counter sniper course!
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 4:20:33 AM EDT
[#13]
1st article sounded plausable up until paragraph where the author waded into Jew bashing.  At that point credibility went to less than zero.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 4:22:51 AM EDT
[#14]
.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 4:22:56 AM EDT
[#15]
Smells like a crock of Juba to me.




Link Posted: 8/27/2005 4:24:25 AM EDT
[#16]
What's so hard to believe?

Well-Trained shooter with the right equipment gets to exercize his skills against ham-stringed U.S. service members.

We did THAT shit 40 yrs ago in S.E Asia in flyin' machines
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 4:25:13 AM EDT
[#17]
Wait a second ...

Muslim?

Sniper?

DC?

Are you sure this isn't an old news article?
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 4:38:48 AM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:
I think "Juba" fails to realize the hatred he would inspire for Muslims as a group in America if Islamic snipers suddenly showed up and started killing Americans.



Why would that bother him... he lives in Iraq.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 4:39:19 AM EDT
[#19]
First consider the source....

The first artical comes from:

hxxp://www.aztlan.net/juba.htm

AZTLAN yeah there credibal....

The second artical comes from the Guardian, a communist newspaper in the UK....

Consider the motivation....

I think the whole thing is enemy propaganda if you cant tell the whole thing has a very obviouse propaganda stink to it just on a cursery glance you are not paying attention....

Assumeing there really was a "sniper", it likely is not a single person this would explane why noones seen him, it's simply a conglomoration of the few terrorists that actually bother to aim, surprise if you aim you tend to hit your target, this is also supported by this is a standard AK doing it, and contrary to the artical the rifle they mentioned is just a standard AK, just Iraqi produced there not sniper rifles there not even good AK's it's a complete piece of crap, cheap even for an AK, the artical chose it because it's Iraqi, and makes better propaganda, and there is no way to tell contry of origion by the sound of the shot, a Romanian AK-47, a Chinese AK-47, a Yugoslavian AK-47, A Russian AK-47, A Bulgarian AK-47, an Iraqi AK-47, and any other AK-47 all sound the same....
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 4:39:59 AM EDT
[#20]
Where do  ya get those baby defoeming depleted uraniuum rounds anyway. I saw some at a gun show , but they were too expensive.   Sounds like plausable that they have sniper problems in Iraq, alot less that they are gonna field a team in this country.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 4:43:28 AM EDT
[#21]
So friggin what, the irorns on my AR are zeroed for 300 meters.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 4:44:17 AM EDT
[#22]
Time for me to go get that .308.....  I've seen more than enough people with GSW's to know that I never want to have to see it again much less cause it.  But that's all trivial when it comes to killing some terrorists on my own soil.  
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 4:50:03 AM EDT
[#23]
Quoted:
First consider the source....

The first artical comes from:

hxxp://www.aztlan.net/juba.htm

AZTLAN yeah there credibal....

The second artical comes from the Guardian, a communist newspaper in the UK....


+1

I think your analysis is right on. They are taking a a page right out of "Enemy At The Gate" on this one.

BS
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 4:58:34 AM EDT
[#24]
Well I know we all know it, but damn it get some snipers out there to hunt his ass like a deer in the northwoods. Best way to counter a sniper is with a sniper.



Hmmm sniper battle.... Seems I've seen that movie before
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 5:03:01 AM EDT
[#25]
 I say we just bomb them back 50 years to the stone age and be done with it....
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 5:10:26 AM EDT
[#26]

Quoted:
So friggin what, the irorns on my AR are zeroed for 300 meters.




Ayup.



He has been known to hit his mark from 300 yards which is the length of three football fields.



Wooooo! Highly-trained sniper.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 5:14:02 AM EDT
[#27]

They only hear one distinctive shot from a Tabuk sniper rifle (An Iraqi sniper rifle based on the Soviet Kalashnikov but fitted with a long barrel and a muzzle brake. It uses the 7.62mm Kalashnikov cartridge) and the next thing they see is another GI slumping down dead. The hit is usually to the head but Juba also aims at gaps in the GI's body armor. He has been known to hit his mark from 300 yards which is the length of three football fields.


 I take it that the article is refering to the 7.62x39.   At 300 yards can the 7.62x39 be that accurate?    
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 5:15:07 AM EDT
[#28]
It's not BS, there is a very skilled Sniper operating in Iraq, mostly in Ramadi but appears to have moved east.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 5:16:07 AM EDT
[#29]
I don't think any of us doubt the sniper over there part.  It's the part about teams coming here.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 5:19:50 AM EDT
[#30]

Quoted:

They only hear one distinctive shot from a Tabuk sniper rifle (An Iraqi sniper rifle based on the Soviet Kalashnikov but fitted with a long barrel and a muzzle brake. It uses the 7.62mm Kalashnikov cartridge) and the next thing they see is another GI slumping down dead. The hit is usually to the head but Juba also aims at gaps in the GI's body armor. He has been known to hit his mark from 300 yards which is the length of three football fields.

I
 take it that the article is refering to the 7.62x39.   At 300 yards can the 7.62x39 be that accurate?    



Yea my thoughts too............


But if there is a Juba.............. I'm guessing it ain't an Iraqi............. ex-soviet military Chechen or ex-olympic shooter from a muslim country.........
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 5:20:43 AM EDT
[#31]

Quoted:

They only hear one distinctive shot from a Tabuk sniper rifle (An Iraqi sniper rifle based on the Soviet Kalashnikov but fitted with a long barrel and a muzzle brake. It uses the 7.62mm Kalashnikov cartridge) and the next thing they see is another GI slumping down dead. The hit is usually to the head but Juba also aims at gaps in the GI's body armor. He has been known to hit his mark from 300 yards which is the length of three football fields.


 I take it that the article is refering to the 7.62x39.   At 300 yards can the 7.62x39 be that accurate?    



Yeah, I thought about that too ...  Then, again, I know nothing of this "Tabuk" either ... Am assuming it's some variant of Druganov ... !?  Again, as has already been said, I think you have to consider the sources and motiviations behind the sources.  I am sure there are plenty of snipers over there but no one has attempted to build them into more than what they are until now.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 5:33:32 AM EDT
[#32]
  Were's Carlos Hatchcock  when you need him
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 5:48:24 AM EDT
[#33]

Quoted:
 I say we just bomb them back 50 years to the stone age and be done with it....



Really?  Because that would under cut the whole notion of "Operation Iraqi Freedom"?
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 5:49:42 AM EDT
[#34]

Quoted:
The first article sounds like bs... the second one sounds like actual reporting.



Nothing from the Guardian approaches actual reporting.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 5:50:53 AM EDT
[#35]
If anyone is stupid enough to believe this bullshit, please contact me...I have several acres of swampland I need to unload on some sucker...errr, investor.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 5:57:17 AM EDT
[#36]
I have heard that they do have the identity of "Juba". They say this guy is a pro at travelling all over and even being spotting but always getting away with out being captured or even photgrahed. It is understood he has been doing this for many many years and authorities have no hope of catching him.
They also say he is still very upset about his daughter marrying Michael Jackson.......
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 5:59:06 AM EDT
[#37]

Quoted:
It's not BS, there is a very skilled Sniper operating in Iraq, mostly in Ramadi but appears to have moved east.




Define 'skilled sniper' in this instance, please.


Good rapport with the locals?
Fieldcraft?
Shooting?
All of the above?
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 6:01:05 AM EDT
[#38]
I'm sure Sheriff Moose will be hot on the case!
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 6:02:58 AM EDT
[#39]

Quoted:
It's not BS, there is a very skilled Sniper operating in Iraq, mostly in Ramadi but appears to have moved east.



The BS part is that he's coming to the US.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 6:08:28 AM EDT
[#40]
I don't doubt that there are some terrorist taking potshots at our troops. I just doubt the rest of it. Were talking battle hardened troops here. How many of our guy's are on there second deployment, third or fourth maybe. These aren't the kind of troops that hear a shot from 2 or 300 meters and freeze up. With today's weaponery 2 or 300 meters is up close and personel. I can see a terrorist getting lucky once or twice, but not enough times to get a name that inspires awe in our guy's.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 6:08:46 AM EDT
[#41]

Quoted:
Ali added, "Instead of nuking the entire 6th congressional district and killing hundreds of thousands innocent civilians, a sniper should "nuke' Tancredo's ass with one 7.62mm Kalashnikov bullet hardened with depleted uranium!"
hxxp://www.aztlan.net/juba.htm



Can't be real.  Since when do these extremist consider any of us "innocent civilians?"
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 6:12:39 AM EDT
[#42]

Quoted:
I'm sure Sheriff Moose will be hot on the case!
www.abcnewsstore.com/store/customer/images/products/images/abc_moose_021022_nh.jpg





Yeah,they're probably over there looking for a white guy in a white van.


Fortier had an article in Shotgun News a couple months back about an Iraqi made "sniper rifle".I think it was in 7.62 x 54.

I would bet there are at least a couple terrs over there that know how to shoot.O don't think there's a chance of them coming here though.Could be some already here.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 6:23:33 AM EDT
[#43]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Ali added, "Instead of nuking the entire 6th congressional district and killing hundreds of thousands innocent civilians, a sniper should "nuke' Tancredo's ass with one 7.62mm Kalashnikov bullet hardened with depleted uranium!"
hxxp://www.aztlan.net/juba.htm

Can't be real.  Since when do these extremist consider any of us "innocent civilians?"




If those Aztlan folks plan on taking part of the weatern states back, they better smart'n up..........


dumbasses.......
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 6:26:33 AM EDT
[#44]

Quoted:

Fortier had an article in Shotgun News a couple months back about an Iraqi made "sniper rifle".I think it was in 7.62 x 54...



Same thing I though.  Probably Dragunov SVD style rifle using 7.62 x 54R.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 6:34:07 AM EDT
[#45]
Souds like BS to me as well. LTC Farrell was quoted as saying " it was the perfect shot it blew out the spine"

I don't think any officer would be talking about a lost man in his troop like that
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 7:06:26 AM EDT
[#46]

Quoted:
Souds like BS to me as well. LTC Farrell was quoted as saying " it was the perfect shot it blew out the spine"

I don't think any officer would be talking about a lost man in his troop like that




Yeah, no kidding. I would wager that most or all of those quotes from the 'troops' are .
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 7:32:44 AM EDT
[#47]
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 7:44:01 AM EDT
[#48]
Meh.

This is bad fiction.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 7:48:09 AM EDT
[#49]

Quoted:
Los Angeles, Alta California - August 23, 2005 - (ACN) The USA mainstream media is "filtering" the news coming out of Iraq. It is not reporting on certain items deemed by the Pentagon to be detrimental to the morale of US troops or their families back home. Conspicuously absent are any reports on "Juba", a sniper who has been terrorizing US soldiers in Baghdad for months. Juba is the name given by US forces to a superbly trained insurgent sniper who has already killed at least 19 GI's including four US Marine snipers in one day.

No US soldier has ever seen Juba. They only hear one distinctive shot from a Tabuk sniper rifle (An Iraqi sniper rifle based on the Soviet Kalashnikov but fitted with a long barrel and a muzzle brake. It uses the 7.62mm Kalashnikov cartridge) and the next thing they see is another GI slumping down dead. The hit is usually to the head but Juba also aims at gaps in the GI's body armor. He has been known to hit his mark from 300 yards which is the length of three football fields. Juba takes only one shot and then disappears.

US troops who scramble to find Juba soon after he has struck find only his trademark that consists of a single 7.62mm Kalashnikov cartridge casing with a handwritten note. The note, in Arabic, says, "What has been taken in blood cannot be regained except by blood". The note is signed, "The Baghdad Sniper".

Juba is now a mythic hero to the Iraqi resistance. Word on the streets of Baghdad, from those who know Juba, is that his rifle is running out of space to add more "notches" that signify US occupation soldiers he has killed. Juba is now training an "elite" insurgent sniper squad that will target personnel coming in and out from Baghdad's Green Zone.

A particular worrisome development for USA based warmongers is a CIA intelligence report that says that a superbly trained Islamic sniper squad is on its way to the USA. According to the report, the Al-Ikhwan Al-Moslemoon (Muslim Brotherhood)is preparing to send a highly trained sniper squad to the USA that will target, at first, the lower and middle level leadership of the Islamophobic organizations that cater to the Zionists. This, we presume, includes the lackeys of the Zionists on radio and television. A few weeks ago, these puppets of Israel added insult to injury when they went on a vile tirade in support of the "toilet flushers" of the Holy Koran at Guantanamo. Many of these radio talk jockeys are not Jews but they act as mouthpieces for their employers who are. One of these virulent pundits for the Zionists said over the airwaves, "US soldiers at Guantanamo should have used the pages of the Koran to wipe their asses!"

La Voz de Aztlan received an e-mail from one of our subscribers in Saudi Arabia concerning the CIA report. Ali bin Ahmed bin Saleh Al-Fulani wrote that the Islamic sniper squad should include Congressman Tom Tancredo of the Colorado 6th Congressional District as one of its first targets. Tancredo recently made a public statement proposing that the USA "nuke" Mecca. "Nuke" means blasting a city with a nuclear bomb as was done to Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Mecca is Islam's holiest cities where millions of Muslims make a yearly religious pilgrimage. Ali added, "Instead of nuking the entire 6th congressional district and killing hundreds of thousands innocent civilians, a sniper should "nuke' Tancredo's ass with one 7.62mm Kalashnikov bullet hardened with depleted uranium!" Depleted uranium utilized in USA military projectiles has caused horrendous deformities in Iraqi babies.


hxxp://www.aztlan.net/juba.htm
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I doubt if this source is credible, but it's something to ponder anyway.




Link Posted: 8/27/2005 7:49:11 AM EDT
[#50]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Souds like BS to me as well. LTC Farrell was quoted as saying " it was the perfect shot it blew out the spine"

I don't think any officer would be talking about a lost man in his troop like that




Yeah, no kidding. I would wager that most or all of those quotes from the 'troops' are .

Yeah I don't see one of our guys talking like that.
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